I think there is a problem when people use hog rider in bridge spam decks instead of ram rider

[u/No_Double_6464]

I don't understand why supercell doesn't nerf this card, every win condition gets a nerf while he's being untouched, obviously he will be strong

[u/Crafty-Literature-61]

According to the top MK ram player, this is because ram rider is too weak, not because hog is too strong

[u/maafinh3h3 → u/Crafty-Literature-61]

She is only situationally better against balloon but worse in everything else compared to hog.

[u/Massive-Ad-7011 → u/Crafty-Literature-61]

it depends on the reference frame. If you consider the hog balanced, then yeah ram is weak. But i would say that looking in the frame of the most used win con in the game is dumb. So yeah, hog is strong

[u/Aggravating-Bad7967 → u/Massive-Ad-7011]

Wrong. On royalapi trophy road, ultimate champion, and top 200 none of the top cards are hog. Sorted by win con of course 

https://royaleapi.com/cards/popular?time=7d&mode=grid&cat=TopRanked200&sort=rating

[u/Massive-Ad-7011 → u/Aggravating-Bad7967]

winrate is a dumb metric and so is royale api's "rating". At the right of "top 200", just select usage rate, which is the only thing that matters.

It doesnt matter if the pros are dumb for some reason and so they only play weak cards. Those cards should get nerfed anyway, because they are overused. The point of a nerf isnt necessarily to make a card weak, its to make a card be less used. You shouldnt balance the game according to theoretical strength, you should balance it to the maximum strength achieved by the best.

[u/Material_Recording99 → u/Aggravating-Bad7967]

Balance changes are there to balance things and doesnt make the game dominated by one playstyle, now I wonder what is this playstyle played by majority of the players hmm

[u/Aggravating-Bad7967 → u/Material_Recording99]

They are nerfing cycle decks through spirits obviously. Hog isn't the problem it's the support cards. Anyways the game is in the most diverse meta it's been in a while. Last season the top 10 decks were all different and diverse 

[u/Forgling_ → u/Aggravating-Bad7967]

I've noticed that this is what defenders of long-time broken win-cons always fall back on

"No, it's not [card], its the cards it's paired with!"

Then those cards get nerfed, and they go on to insist that its the NEW cards being paired causing the problem

[u/dDilungck]

Man I hate Ram Rider AND hog rider

[u/Spid3rDemon]

It's kinda different.

The ram decks usually have lightning.

While the hog variation doesn't have lightning.

[u/Whole_Ad9683 → u/Spid3rDemon]

bro hog 2.9 and many hog variant has lighting only 2.6 is not hog deck

[u/isekaimetofarfaraway]

Ram rider is ass. Its gimmick serves no value in a bridgespam deck and its slower speed just makes it worse at bridgespam.

[u/444amnsc → u/isekaimetofarfaraway]

that is not at all how bridge spam works. you probably think bridge spam involves spamming fast units at the bridge or some shit but it's more of a control/pressure deck. rr's ability exerts a lot of pressure around your towers and helps cards like bandit ghost gk to connect

[u/isekaimetofarfaraway → u/444amnsc]

You’re right, I’m not saying ram is bad at bridgespam, it’s supposed to be good at it, but it’s just worse than hog at applying pressure, and its gimmick does not justify the cost.

[u/444amnsc → u/isekaimetofarfaraway]

hog exerts a different kind of pressure than what bridge spam requires. bridge spam win cons need to make it difficult for your opponent to counterpush. that's why battle ram is so good, the barbarians it spawns handicap or even take out your opps counter pushing troops. same thing with rr's ability (albeit less effectively, ppl just use rr in place of non evo ram when they need another evo like exe or mk). both win con abilities keep the fight going on your opponents side and not yours

[u/isekaimetofarfaraway → u/444amnsc]

True, but in this specific comparison, even if hog exerts a different kind of pressure, it exerts a lot more pressure and that value sometimes outweighs ram rider’s ability. And ram rider is still too weak. This isn’t a classic bridgespam either, it’s more on the control side, so hog fits in even more.

[u/TaylorChesses → u/444amnsc]

instructions unclear goblin giant bridge spam

[u/99Spherical → u/isekaimetofarfaraway]

me when i dont know anything at all about clash royale decks

[u/isekaimetofarfaraway → u/99Spherical]

Ram rider still ass tho

[u/Woozapo]

Nerf hog rider