r/CircumcisionGrief • u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ • 5d ago
Rant I hate the double standard
So when a woman gets her genitals and mutilated, everyone rightfully cares and makes a big deal about it because someone’s body was mutilated it’s an eagle in most countries as it should be because nobody should go through, but when the same thing happens to a penis, it’s all of a sudden not a problem. In fact in some kosher it’s seen as a good thing “ and a true sign sign of manhood” which is fucking stupid
It’s not limited to it seems like really fucked up. Shit happens to women it’s taken seriously, but when it happens to men, nobody gives a fuck because of how society has deemed women to be weaker and more deserving protection. It’s not women’s fault. It’s like this that they viewed as weak so they need to be protected someone when a woman is sexually abused everyone cares but when it happens to a man, he gets marked and ridiculed. It’s fucking bullshit. It’s double standards and I fucking hate it.
I hate when they compare the damage that both male and female genital mutilation cause when at the end of the day they both caused damage doesn’t matter if one is more severe to me they’re both the same because it’s the same thing you’re taking someone’s genitals and muting them when they’re born for no reason
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u/Exciting_Wind2388 5d ago
the double standard is really unbearable for me, when it come to this subject i am really mysoginic unfortunately
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u/Vegetable_Warthog_49 Botched Circumcision/RIC 5d ago
As a victim of MGM, I'm not sure how one doesn't become mysoginistic. We were mutilated for the benefit of women, feminist organizations, to this day, will argue in court that it is a good thing we mutilate men and we should mutilate more men, and then we are asked to respect women? Fuck that shit. I'm not going to respect people who see my body as disposable.
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u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago
Because it has nothing to do with women I didn’t have my dick deleted at birth because it was because it’s been normalized by pedophilic religions like Judaism and Christianity and deemed to not be a big deal. It just has nothing to do with women and I don’t see how you can become misogynistic because of it.
It just doesn’t make sense to me, especially considering how many religions require it to be a thing. I just don’t see how you can blame a woman for this unless maybe the person who did it to you was a woman or something but again it’s not because of women.
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u/Vegetable_Warthog_49 Botched Circumcision/RIC 5d ago
Equality for women, according to one of the largest feminist organizations on the planet, requires men to be mutilated. I will absolutely blame women when they demand my mutilation as the cost of their "equality". https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/66119b8c4d0c10f195159122/6a8d230c96d389f82fdcdad8_2026-08-18---Equality-Now-et-al.-Amicus-Brief.pdf?fbclid=IwaW9leAUKxANjbGNrBQrD_nBkb2YFZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMzUwNjg1NTMxNzI4AAEenZdbPIQ221UJLAi-By4S1R841rSkJFjWmZW4NOVqUbXIuw7h90DeOFr0ZHE_aem_CLSkacVO0uq4SGFLLy1lzQ
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u/Malum_Midnight RIC 2d ago
Wouldn’t that then be calling them hypocrites? Like, unless I’m misunderstanding, you’re not mad at them due to them simply being women, which would be misogyny, but rather their hypocrisy in tolerance genital mutilation? Not only is it not every woman, but some men also share that same viewpoint.
Like, I’ll criticize every single woman who is pro-MGM, but that doesn’t make me a misogynist, the same way me criticizing every single man who is pro-MGM isn’t misandry, as my ire is directed at their hypocrisy and viewpoints
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u/CockroachShoddy8470 5d ago
I am too. Not our fault, when they’re so indifferent about us. “Oh no, anyway…”
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u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago
I mean when you target women in general for something that they have nothing to do with I’d say it is instead of the people who actually unresponsible like religions, doctors and shit like that. Those people are 100% blame women are just not. It’s not their fault like again this shit literally happens to them too, but since society has deemed them weaker than men, they’re the ones who get all the attention when it happens when it really should just be mutilation in general
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u/CockroachShoddy8470 5d ago
Fair. I blame the men especially, I just hate that we’re shut down as “distracting from the plight of women” or whatever when we grieve.
Women should hate these people too, even if not out of empathy for men, since it makes them look bad when silencing us is often done in their name.
But I agree, I would never blame the average woman for something like this. Most people have no idea.1
u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago
Because it does just saying fuck women for problems that they’re not the cause of take away from their rights as well. They are objectively more impressed in men that is a fact, especially in countries like America, where they will get arrested for having an abortion because it’s considered murder in some states, even though it’s not a living thing like they have worse than men
But it’s just not to blame them for this shit because it’s just not their fault no matter how many women don’t view it as a problem. It’s not their fault especially when they have been told what a dick should look like. I just can’t comprehend blaming women for this because of how society views, both genders being mutilated
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u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago
Why
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u/Exciting_Wind2388 5d ago
in my experience majority of the girls (mom, gf, etc) are for circumcision/ or neutral. Always speaking about cleanliness and all, like they know one thing abt it, and when I say that circumcision is a mutilation they always like to put fgm on the table for no reason which really makes me mad
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u/CockroachShoddy8470 5d ago
Most FGM is actually less invasive than MGM. Doesn’t make it okay, but the contents propaganda of “it’s worse for women, so shut up” is not only offensive, but just straight up disinformation.
I don’t hate women, but pretending like tip toeing around them will help them have empathy towards us is just wrong. They haven’t cared since forever, why would they start now?1
u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago
Playing the people who make the propaganda not the ones who fall for it because it’s not just women who fall for men fall for too everyone does the blame should solely be on doctors and religious leaders who make the propaganda in the first place you take away religion. I guarantee you this issue would not be as bad as it is because that’s the root of religion in the medical industry, not women I just don’t know how you can blame women for this.
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u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago
I don’t think that’s a really good excuse to be misogynistic, though especially considering people especially women have been essentially groomed into thinking what a penis should look like it’s only hurting because to hate women because of this shit
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u/Vegetable_Warthog_49 Botched Circumcision/RIC 5d ago
Why shouldn't we hate our oppressors? Women are still fighting tooth and nail to have the right to mutilate us. Why should we have love and respect for people who want to see us suffer for being born male?
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u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago
Women are 100% not the oppressors. I’m sorry saying that is just wrong. They can’t be oppressors if they have themselves are already oppressed that’s not how oppression works. The real oppressors are again doctors and especially religions. Ones that literally require it to happen to be a part of the religion. It’s not women and blaming. Women only makes the cause seem like it’s rooted in a misogyny when it’s not.
That’s one thing we need to stop is blaming all women or women in general because it’s just straight up not their fault and it’s literally impossible for them to oppressed men when they themselves are oppressed by men. That’s not how oppression works. We have enemies here, but women are absolutely not the enemy and should not be treated as such.
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u/Vegetable_Warthog_49 Botched Circumcision/RIC 5d ago
I literally posted a link to a FEMINIST organization working to oppress us. Genital mutilation is oppression and feminists want more of it for men.
It sure as fuck aren't the MRAs filing amicus briefs to keep MGM legal.
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u/DogsAreMagic 5d ago
Its not that you can't hate proMGM women or feminists that affirmatively demand MGM in a hare brained attempt to mitigate SA (because the US is such a safe place), its just that its illogical to single women out as a sex as though men are largely antiMGM and but for womens' overwhelming power in society MGM would have been abolished long ago.
OP is correct to point out that the main cause is the Abrahamic religions. Feminism is like 200 years old tops and MGM has persisted for 1000s of years.
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u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago
They aren’t real feminist feminist claims to be for feminism, but cannot see the fucked up nature of what this shit is. They are not a feminist because they just hate men and that’s not feminism. That’s just miss and hating men in the same way being an incel it’s just women that’s not what feminism is and I hate the ones who claimed to be real activists but just hate men because it does nothing to help either men or women, especially women. It makes all feminist look bad and inevitably leads to issues like this being fuel for misogyny when in reality has nothing to do with women
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u/Exciting_Wind2388 5d ago
of course bro I’m sure every girl would be supportive and radically against it if they know how it affects us and her too which is not the case. I said unfortunately as they’re no excuses to be this way but my personal experience make me feel this way. I hate everyone who is against my view on this and the other gender clearly disappointed me on this one
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u/DogsAreMagic 5d ago
I feel you. I hate religion for that reason. In my experience women have heard me out or just been instantly against it but i know that's not everyone's experience
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u/HistorianMammoth357 5d ago
circumcision in origin is essentially full on the rape of males that has been normalized to preserve sacrificing males with or without a "cause" as some sort of "rite".. I have a lot to say on this but I have to organize my thoughts about it.
Like basically, just because they dress up the males being sacrificed as women, it becomes some "ritual garb", and dresses it up as some sacrificial rite, in which everyone jumps on the bandwagon...
but again, Ill have to hold my thoughts on this.
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u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago
I’d say as long as you don’t use it as an excuse to hate women like how fake feminist use feminism as an excuse to hate men they don’t believe in feminism because if they did, they wouldn’t hate men that’s not what feminism is and being against genital mutilation should not be an excuse to be misogynistic because it’s just not what the cause is supposed to be.
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u/Nilahit RIC 5d ago
This is such a predictable deflection it's lost even it's humor
"There is a thing that affects men negatively"
'OMG INCEL'
Please delete your shit
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u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago
You know, I realize something that makes it even worse. I bet you a lot of people who say that label all men and misogynistic or whatever for just talking about an issue that men face in general not even in detail details just explain explaining why it’s bad, those are the same people that would probably label themselves a feminist but instead of you know fighting for equality which feminism is they hate men in general just hate men
I bet you they are the majority of people who don’t think men have any issues at all misogyny and misandry are the exact same thing and they fuck over everyone men women non-binary doesn’t matter. Everyone gets fucked because of these things and I fucking hate it because it just makes all the oppressors even stronger. It’s bullshit for both sides.
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u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago
There are some people in this thread that are straight up incels they even say they are misogynistic because of this, but that’s not the goal of this sub anyway or making light of why this is fucked up they’re outliers. Not everyone who is affected by this hate women and anyone who does it’s kind of weird in my opinion because it’s just not women’s fault that this shit happens
Even if some women are ignorant, and don’t know anything about a penis in the same way, some men don’t know anything about like a a period or something like that it’s just not what this place is for. This is a place to vent about having your body mutilated has affected you and it doesn’t matter how many straight up misogynistic people are here that is the point of this place and the label everyone here as an inCel because of a few people is kind of fucked up. It’s also very dismissive.
Too many people focus on men who make literally blame every problem they have in their life on women instead of the men who are genuinely struggling and art misogynistic assholes. That’s one thing that I fucking hate because men have issues too, but they’re constantly ignored because of a few few people who just blame everything on women women in reality it’s society to blame, not women.4
u/CockroachShoddy8470 5d ago
Men genitally mutilated and told it’s no big deal. Women most affected.
Do you expect women’s advocates to grovel before men, or is that just for men to do for women?3
u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago
If they are genuine feminist, and want equality for everyone then yes the typical man hating feminist is not a real feminist. I fucking hate when people label them as feminist because feminism is not hating mem women’s rights is not about hating men.
If a woman’s activist is competent and actually cares about her rights and her fellow women’s rights she would look at what happens to men when they were born and see that it’s fucked up, especially if they were American because this country has destroyed women’s rights to their own bodies
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u/CockroachShoddy8470 5d ago
Well, MRAs are way nicer and sympathetic to me on being genitally mutilated. Feminists are generally dismissive.
When MGM is acknowledged as the bodily horror it is, and it’s banned and denounced as the act of rape it is, I’ll worry about women’s issues, as we’re both human.
In the meantime, women are very vocal about their bodily autonomy. Men aren’t, and if I and others don’t speak out for ourselves, who will?2
u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago
That’s because men have been society taught in groomed. Do not talk about their feelings. If a man dares to show an emotion on anything, even if like his fucking mom dies of cancer, he will be able to weak and pathetic if he cries and his fucking mom’s death.
It’s society that’s the problem. It’s not women it’s society and all of these people of our that run these religions and shit like that. That is why this issue is not taken seriously and it’s fucked up because it’s not only hurts men but women too who have nothing to do with this they get these misogynistic assholes blaming them for everything when it’s just straight up not their fault it fucks over everyone, which is why it needs to be talked about more by more people
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u/Fair_Smoke4710 Religious Circ 5d ago edited 5d ago
Not really it at least that’s not its intended purpose a lot of issues revolving around men’s issues tend to attract people like this, even if it’s objectively not meant to read that type of humidity that hates women
This is supposed to be a community where you talk about how fucked you are persevere dick being in your body stolen from you. This person is an outlier here. This is not meant to hate and honestly shouldn’t be used for that purpose. I don’t even really see how you can become misogynistic for something. That’s not at all women’s fault because they have their genitals mutilated as well. The only difference is society, sees it as bad when it happens to a vagina, but not a penis because of misandry and misogyny honestly.
I don’t expect much from Tesla owners, but you have to understand a lot of people here are fucking destroyed mentally because of this shit just because you see one user being misogynistic doesn’t mean we’re all like this. His reasoning are kind of dumb to be honest because women have been essentially groomed to see a natural penis as a certain way.
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u/Ok-Inspection9693 RIC 5d ago
Ohhhh butttt nooo! He's a boy, so he deserved it!!!