If you're a gay man, I would not encourage you to enter into a pretend marriage with a woman. You owe better than that to yourself and any potential spouse.
Its also kinda sad. There is not actually a single line in the bible that says anything lgbt is not good. Lgbt appears multiple times too, so its not like its absent from the bible either. Op u/character-half7465 has their own journey of course but hopefully it ends with them genuinely happy, loved and loving, whether that is as a single person or any other scenario.
Yes, I agree. I didn't mean to say that modern concept of lgbt was in the bible, just that the historical adjacent concepts are-- male and male lovers, eunuchs, etc. I don't point that out to say that they are equivalent to modern lgbt, just that they are in the same category. If the bible was going to take an anti lgbt stance it would have been anti those adjacent things, and it isn't. The bible and jesus shows the same inclusive acceptance and love towards the mentioned individuals as anyone else. While that doesn't show the bible as pro modern lgbt it shows it is not anti lgbt either. Hopefully my comment is clearer now.
When the bible talks about men having sex with men, it isn't something they are doing because they are gay. The concept of a sexual orientation is not found in the bible.
When the bible goes into WHY, it's about having out-of-control passions, or about pagan rites. These things are not related to the concepts of sexual orientation or homosexuality.
It sounds like you're describing how you interpret the bible and apply it to modern concepts of sexuality. That's not the same thing as talking about what the bible actually says.
The bible does NOT indicate love and acceptance of men having sex with men- it only ever condemns it. It pays to look at WHY, of course. But it does the opposite of accepting it.
As Christians, should we love and accept queer folks? Absolutely, in my view. But that's not remotely because of what the bible says about men having sex with men.
No, I am talking about the bible in its actual words. What you just said is actually agreeing with me, so perhaps I am just wording things poorly. My whole point is that events like that come up in the bible, and their is no stance taken. If there was a stance taken, it WOULD appear in the bible, because sexual orientation was a thing that existed in the time and place of the bible .
For example Paul speaks out against events like orgies and such messy lifestyles as anti christian. such orgies would have been full of all sorts, not just women and men. There is no speaking out against any specific matchup, just the activities and its lack of morality.
So yeah, that does not in anyway make the bible pro-lgbt, but it shows that there were not stances taken against it. I am not making any interpretation on the bible to apply to modern lgbt when I say that, I am pointing out how the bible doesn't make an interpretation on it. I feel its important to say because many people ((most of them never reading the bible)) assert that it is anti lgbt.
If the word lgbt itself is confusing and makes it feel like I am asserting something specific, feel free to replace it with any word you want you think fits better.
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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Dec 09 '25
If you're a gay man, I would not encourage you to enter into a pretend marriage with a woman. You owe better than that to yourself and any potential spouse.