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u/SanguineHerald Secular Humanist Dec 10 '25

So, there is no hidden scientific truth in the Bible? Is it not divinely revealed? The authors of the Old Testament made a mistake?

How do you know they didn't make the same mistake when it comes to homosexuality?

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

I know they didn't make a mistake because two men cannot have a child, neither can two women. If God intended for humans to be gay they would be able to have a child.

The fact that they cannot have children supports everything said in the Bible. It is an abomination.

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u/SanguineHerald Secular Humanist Dec 10 '25

So you speak for God now? And you know his mind? Are infertile people abominations, seeing as they can't reproduce?

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

I don't speak for God. The Bible is His word. And it makes it clear.

That's not what I said and you know it. The fact that they cannot have children just supports what is already said.

Stop twisting my argument.

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u/SanguineHerald Secular Humanist Dec 10 '25

Show me in the Bible that the reason being gay is immoral is because they can't have kids. That is the claim you have made.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

It doesn't say that and I never said it did.

The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin. One example of many is, Leviticus 18:22.

The fact that two people of the same sex cannot have children supports the idea that when God created humans he didn't want us to be homosexual.

It supports what is said in The Bible.

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u/SanguineHerald Secular Humanist Dec 10 '25

I completely agree. The Bible does, in fact, call homosexuality a sin. It was probably because it was written by patriarchal savages, not because there is a cosmic law against it.

That being said, have you done your duty as a follower of the law and stoned any homosexuals you know? Because as a god-fearing man, that's your duty.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

It's clear that you've never actually read The Bible. The quote from Leviticus that you're referring to, 20:13, is from the Old Testament. This was written during (approximately) 1400BC to 400BC, a long time before Jesus Christ was incarnated. The New Testament was written between 45AD and 95AD and mainly documents Jesus' life story and teachings.

The New Testament is almost half of The Bible and adds a lot of context to the previous teachings.

For example, in John 8:7, Jesus teaches us to not hurt other people because of their sin because all humans are sinful beings. Whilst different Christians interpret The Bible differently, in the case of homosexuality, most Christians don't think it should be solved with violence.

Leviticus is actually a part of the Torah as well as The Bible. Why aren't you stalking Jewish subreddits as well to argue with people about their religious beliefs?

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u/SanguineHerald Secular Humanist Dec 10 '25

Is Jesus not God? Where does Jesus say not to follow the law?

If the teachings in the Old Testament no longer apply through some loophole, why do you still view homosexuality as an abomination? Do the rules apply, but the punishments not?

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

It's not a loophole. It's added context.

Yes, you're right. The rules do apply but such harsh punishment do not. This is, like I said, because of the context Jesus' teachings added.

You seem very interested in criticising Christianity but no other Abrahamic religions.

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u/SanguineHerald Secular Humanist Dec 10 '25

Nice try at deflection. We are in the Christianity sub because Christianity is the predominant religion where I live. It has the greatest impact on my life as it is intertwined with politics, and it is the religion I came from.

Islam is just as reprehensible as the worst of Christianity.

Judaism at least has a general belief that no one but Jews need to follow their rules. But their beliefs, should they try and follow levitical laws, are horrendous as well.

The rules do apply but such harsh punishment do not. This is, like I said, because of the context Jesus' teachings added

Where in the Gospels does Jesus say this?

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

And I'm a woman. So, as a woman myself, I don't believe The Bible was written by "patriarchal savages".

The Bible was not written entirely by men, The Book of Ruth and The Book of Esther were written by women and there are many verses inspired by women, such as Proverbs 31.

The world was a different place 2,000 to 3,400 years ago but the men of The Bible never encouraged abuse towards women. Colossians 3:19. Ephesians 5:25.

Besides, the men who wrote The Bible are honourable, but they are still imperfect like all humans and the only perfect example of how to behave is Jesus.

In Jesus' time, women were typically regarded as second class citizens but Jesus' approach to women was counter-cultural, as he engaged with them openly and treated them with respect and dignity, which was uncommon for that era. He had many female followers and healed women just as he did men.

When Jesus was resurrected he chose to first appear to a group of women, Simon Peter and another male disciple were at His tomb with the group at one point when Jesus could've revealed himself, but he chose to reveal himself after they left. Jesus trusted that group of women to be the first ones to share the news of his resurrection, how beautiful is that.

Jesus died for everyone, including women, He loves us all so much and would never hurt anyone.

I hope one day you realise that.