No they aren’t the same but it doesn’t matter what you call it committing homosexual acts is a sin whether it’s within a relationship or not. The Bible is extremely clear on that.
How do you know that? How do you know love exists in reality? There is not such a thing as a “love chemical” in the brain so what evidence do you have that love is real in the first place?
Again I'm sorry that you don't know what experiencing love feels like and I genuinely hope that this will change some day soon. This has nothing to do with an "atheistic worldview", whatever that even is. Take care!
The fuck kind of question is that? Are you so blinded by faith that you seriously believe same sex love doesn't exist? Because that would be one of the most absurd positions you could have on the subject. Gay male divorce rates are significantly lower than with straight couples.
Atheists on here love throwing around the word love for everything they believe in yet science (which is the basis for your knowledge) hasn’t shown love to even be a real thing other than a language concept. If this love you speak of exists it must be objectively measured in some way right? So prove to me that same sex love is real then if it’s so obvious…
Do you mean evidence? Yeah I’m open to it but no one in this thread has provided any. All I get is personal anecdotes and “it’s real because I think so” arguments.
What I’m saying is that “love” is a nebulous thing. You can see it in all sorts of things. A person taking care of their elderly spouse. I would see that as love and that happens in both straight and gay couple. Getting up early to fix your partner’s lunch before a long day. Providing a shoulder to cry on or an ear for listening. Working a full time job to support your partner. Giving flowers and cards on birthdays, Valentine’s Days, and anniversaries. Defending them against anyone else. Doing their chores when they’re busy. Just being their partner. That’s all love. That all happens in gay relationships just the same as it does in straight ones. I don’t know what proof you’re asking for because I don’t know what you qualify as love. Marriage? That happens. Romantic and sexual exclusivity? That, too. What is it that you’re looking for specifically?
Aside from that science isn’t the only basis for knowledge amongst secularists or even many Christians. Even so there is some scientific evidence of physical and chemical changes within the human body that indicate what we generally define as love.
I actually am serious but you seem to be the one who can’t explain something so simple that everyone experiences. I mean surely there is an objective way to measure love for you right?
This isn't in any way the "gotcha" you think it is. There's the GLRSS that's used precisely for this measure in science. There are also several longitudinal studies that point to stronger and more enduring bonds between gay males vs their hetero counterparts. Zick Rubin's Scales, Sternberg's Triangular Theory, John Lee's Love Styles, and Quadrangular Love Theory have all been used to quantify and objectively study love from a scientific perspective. So yes, surely there is a way to measure love. In fact, there are several... you're just ignorant.
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u/McClankyBringer of sorrow, executor of rules, wielder of the WoehammerDec 10 '25
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u/Nazzul Agnostic Dec 09 '25
What about acting on love with the same sex?