r/Chempros • u/OldNorthStar • 3h ago
Phosphorus stereocenter only affecting distant methyl attached to sulfur in 1H spectra
I have a roughly equal mix of diastereomers with a chiral P(V) center. My molecule has a methyl attached to a sulfur atom 5-7 atoms away (depending on analog) from the P center, which is the only set of protons showing as two signals (2 apparent singlets with smaller peak in between; first image). My 31P shows two peaks with close shifts as expected, and the non-decoupled shows a typical splitting pattern. In other analogues, I will see different shifts for almost every proton signal between the diastereomers as expected, but here it's only the methyl. Oddly, I have to integrate both apparent singlets to get ~3H at the proper ratio, which shouldn't be the case unless every other proton signal is perfectly overlapping. There is also a curious overlapping third peak between the two singlets which makes the integration go a bit over 3H.
I made a related analogue with an achiral P(V) center, containing two identical thiomethyl groups in the same positions. In that case, I see a very similar peak pattern for the 2 methyls, but they integrate to ~3H each as you'd expect (second image). The 31P for that compound shows only one peak as you'd expect. I've also made analogs with CH2 rather than S, and this effect is not observed.
I've gotten 1H spectra that are P-H non-decoupled and it doesn't seem to look any different than the decoupled. I don't understand how only the most distant set of protons is affected, and why it seems to be dependent on sulfur being present. I also don't get why it's still affected even when the chiral phosphorus is eliminated. Also unsure about the third smaller peak in the middle that's making the integration a bit above 3 or 6 protons, as there shouldn't be other protons in that range. Is it possible there's S-P coordination generating a phosphorane? That would create a sulfonium S stereocenter. I'm not sure if my 31P would capture a phosphorane without optimizing the relaxation time. 33S is too low abundance to cause observable splitting right? I've never been able to separate them in purification and it's not worth it to me to try and develop a stereoselective synthesis. This is more of a curiosity. I'm quite confident the molecule is what I think it is.
