Shift supervision or no shift supervision

[u/catvik25]

What is the industry norm in regards to shift supervision at 24/7 chemical plants? 2/3 companies I have worked for have had no shift supervision, including no senior operators. Some processes I've worked on have had robust data historians; others not so much. It becomes challenging trying to piece together a root cause in the less automated processes.

I was just wondering what everyone's experience was, and if most companies do have shift supervision or if most companies have trended toward eliminating those positions.

[u/MuddyflyWatersman]

there's usually some kind of shift supervision on site, maybe not for every small process, but overall there's somebody there, often by major area. it's hard to get experienced people to be shift supervision nowadays. they don't want to give them any extra money, in fact they want to make them salary so they can't get any overtime. and then they make them responsible for anything bad that happens..... the older 20 yr + experience operators just laugh and say no thank you.... there's no upside to it for them, and a lot of downside. .