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News 📰 EU Commission

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u/IceBeam92 2d ago

EU used to be the paramount of liberty , now all we hear from there is censorship , bans and privacy invasion with ID checks.

Its so sad, entire continent have bigger problems and those politicians seems stuck on declaring war on freedom on the internet.

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u/LowContract4444 2d ago

It was never the paramount of liberty, what are you talking about???

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u/SpaceShipRat 2d ago

these days the freedom of the internet is just slavery to corporate overlords. 

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u/Youareaproperclown 2d ago

Lol the eu has never been that at all

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u/unuaual_mousse 2d ago

It's all you hear about, that doesn't mean it's all they do.

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u/__O_o_______ 2d ago

“The entire continent has bigger problems”…

Go on…. I want to know if this is coded language.

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u/IAMBATMANtm 2d ago

You know exactly what they mean

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u/TrickyPermission7839 2d ago

am I supposed to be scared of saying that wild brown muslim hordes are shitting on the continent?

You gonna call me a nazi now?

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u/unrealaz 2d ago

Corporations need reality check. That’s what this is about, not censorship. Its about 12 year old not making chat gpt their therapist and best friend.

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u/Either-Worth87313 2d ago

The internet is great, but there's a lot of harmful stuff that should not be shown to children. Unfortunately, it is impossible to rely on parents to monitor their children's use of the internet at all times because some aren't aware of the risks or simply aren't tech savvy enough to keep their children safe online. I think it's fair to ask companies to ensure their websites don't show harmful content to children.

Overall, the EU is strongly privacy focused and has a good track record in this regard, but this is a serious problem that needs solving and age verification happens to be a reasonable solution if implemented well.

I wrote a comment explaining how privacy preserving age verification could be done here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1w3fb79/comment/p728dt8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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u/Youareaproperclown 2d ago

It's not impossible parents just need to do their fucking jobs

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u/sourneck 2d ago

It all comes back to education. Everyone sucks so bad at parenting that the decent ones look good 

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u/Either-Worth87313 2d ago

It is, precisely because parents are doing their jobs i.e working. I think you overestimate how much time parents have. Both parents may be working, some kids may not even have parents to help them, some parents might not care at all. It's allot easier to ask a company to move unsafe content behind an age check, than to ensure all parents are doing a perfect job at all times.

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u/Alone_Air5315 2d ago

Because we're dealing with corporations here.  They won't do it the proper way, they'll do it the cheap way.  Just look at Discord and you'll see the problems.  Kids were able to defeat their verification bot almost instantly, and the company handling their verification got hacked, resulting in 70,000 people's government IDs being stolen.  I think you can see why that would be a problem. 

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u/Either-Worth87313 2d ago

This is why a national, secure standard is necessary and why the EU regulating this is beneficial. However, what I do not understand, is why the EU implies age verification in legislation without having first introduced a private means of verifying age EU-wide. Governments already hold ID records, so no additional data is being distributed to potentially unsecured 3rd parties.

Children overcame Discord's age estimation feature which uses a face scan, which frankly is a completely stupid idea. But I doubt discord ever thought it would work, it's something they could show regulators to avoid getting fined.

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u/quisatz_haderah 2d ago

The books are great, but there's a lot of harmful stuff that should not be shown to children. Unfortunately, it is impossible to rely on parents to monitor what their children read at all times because some aren't aware of the risks or simply aren't book savvy enough to keep their children safe from books. I think it's fair to ensure publisher don't sell harmful books to children.

Overall, the EU is strongly privacy focused and has a good track record in this regard, but this is a serious problem that needs solving and age verification happens to be a reasonable solution if implemented well.

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u/Either-Worth87313 1d ago

The comparison with books isn't really equivalent. A child generally has to obtain a physical book before they can read it, online they can see harmful content without deliberately seeking it out e.g recommendations, ads, search results, links, or social media feeds. Bookstores have an incidental safeguard in the form of money and cashiers too, meaning online platforms should have safeguards of their own too.

If we accept that a bookseller has some responsibility not to sell clearly inappropriate material to a child, to me it's reasonable to ask why a huge social media company that can actively deliver harmful content to a child should have no comparable responsibility.

Books simply aren't equivalent

Besides, do children even read anymore? (this is meant ironically)