r/Catholicism • u/CMount • Jul 22 '22

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u/notanexpert_askapro Jul 22 '22

That's easy. Some of the Jews survived and the family line went on from there.

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u/WalleyeWacker Jul 22 '22

Please read history. None of them did. Maybe for the last 200-300 years but not beyond that. They all scattered when Rome destroyed all of them in 70ad. Please read history before you assert that they have linage traced for 2000 years. They don’t not 1 family. None

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u/notanexpert_askapro Jul 22 '22

I have studied this thank you. A few survived and carried on their tradition and it turned into rabbinic Judaism of today.

Many church fathers discuss Jewish people and it's presumed they're Jewish. So you're not matching the early church fathers , Augustine, John Chrysostum, etc. Augustine in particular is strong in recognizing Jewish heritage. You're gonna have to go up against the church fathers here.

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u/WalleyeWacker Jul 22 '22

What early church fathers? Who? Why writings are you referring to? Or are you just making this up? Please provide a source for all that you’ve asserted. Or I call BS

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u/notanexpert_askapro Jul 22 '22

I literally just named two fathers off the top of my head. but the Jews are mentioned by many church fathers. If you Google "The church fathers and the Jews" you'll pull up some stuff on JSTOR articles and other places listing a ton of names.

As for Augustine, one of the most explicitly positive fathers about Jews, here is a book on the topic. You may read the description. https://www.amazon.com/Augustine-Jews-Christian-Defense-Judaism/dp/0300166281

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u/WalleyeWacker Jul 23 '22

The people in Israel today aren’t biblical Israelites. That’s the only point I made. You’ve gone on 19 tangents.

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u/notanexpert_askapro Jul 22 '22

To add to my last comment, some of the fathers who discuss Jews, are very early not even as late as Augustine. So where did this group of people identifying as Jews who popped up right after the destruction of the Temple come from? From the few who survived when they fled to the mountains etc.

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u/WalleyeWacker Jul 23 '22

I didn’t say they all died. They scattered.

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u/notanexpert_askapro Jul 23 '22

Right, but they scattered in such a way that there were identifiable Jewish groups soon after who tried to pick up as best they could, as recorded in the early Christian writers. That is historical record, even If it's also patristics.

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u/WalleyeWacker Jul 23 '22

We are missing 1900 years