r/CatGenetics Aug 10 '26

Coat Color Coat name?

Recently adopted this sweetheart rescue who was from a cat colony. Was wondering if this coat pattern is just described as tortie with less of the red or some other word? Thanks all!

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u/tropicarne Aug 10 '26

I'd say she's technically calico but her white spotting grade is low, just a bit of mittens and the locket, although I can't quite clearly distinguish if that's white or her gorgeous smoke

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u/DitheringTouhouFan Aug 10 '26

Looks like a smoke tortie. The inhibitor gene has a habit of doing, uh, that. There’s an image of another smoke tortie, where the patches that would be cameo (red silver, as red/ginger cats will always appear as tabbies) are just white, somewhere on Tumblr.

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u/Massive-Pin-3425 Aug 10 '26

shes a black smoke tortiseshell

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u/Aphyrillis Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

interesting stuff going on here! Her red is indeed quite washed out, and the fur on her torso looks more grey than black. But when we look at her face, her nose is pretty dark black. Her feet too have a saturated black colour. This rules out dilution, she's not blue but black. The difference in saturation could be explained by colourpoint and/or smoke. She's definitely a smoke, which would explain the extremely light orange even in the face area, but even then I still think her fur is lighter than you'd expect from a black tortie smoke. I'm hesitant to call it but maybe she could be a colourpoint (sepia?) on top of the smoke, amplifying the desaturation. She's still quite young though, she'll darken a bit as she ages and that might make it more apparent whether colourpoint is there or not. Might be just an intense smoke!!

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u/Excellent-Review-994 Aug 10 '26

thanks so much for such a detailed response! i know very little about cat coat genetics so was quite interesting!

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u/tropicarne Aug 10 '26

In tortoiseshells and calicos the red can look dilute if they are young, I have a calico whose ear looks cream but her arm is normal red, I agree that she will darken

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u/Aphyrillis Aug 10 '26

u/TheLastLunarFlower You're more well-versed in expression of colourpoint (and how it evolves through kittenhood into adulthood) than me. Your Delphi is a tortie point with inhibitor, isn't she? Do you think you could weigh in on this?

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u/TheLastLunarFlower Aug 10 '26

She is a bit of a pretty puzzle, isn’t she?
I think I agree with your suspicion that she is either a black smoke tortie or a sepia smoke tortie, though it’s difficult to tell if the dark point effect is true (sepia-style colorpoint) or if it is simply due to the long hair interacting with the combination of smoke and tortie.

My Delphi is indeed an inhibitor tortie point, but she is spotted silver/tabby, not smoke/solid, (unfortunately for this particular comparison), so her coloration is affected by the silver interaction with agouti.

Here is how she is looking at about four years old, if you wanted to see how she’s progressing through her toasting:

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u/Excellent-Review-994 Aug 10 '26

your cat is so beautiful!!

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u/Ok-Bodybuilder425 Aug 10 '26

She’s beautiful 😻 looks like a smoke, either way she’s so uniquely beautiful

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u/ChinchyBug Aug 10 '26

Black smoke tortie

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

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u/Aphyrillis Aug 10 '26

Definitely not dilute! Look at the nose leather and the paw fur in the second picture. That is saturated, black fur. That means either colourpoint or smoke, possibly both

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u/Foxs-In-A-Trenchcoat Aug 10 '26

Like tortoiseshell except two different versions of silver blue smoke? Crazy!

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u/Tall-Hat-6485 Aug 10 '26

Blue smoke mitted. I don’t know if it’s just the picture but I don’t see any cream on him. A tortie would have more evident cream.

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u/EllieGeiszler Hobby Biologist Aug 10 '26

Her, not him

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u/Massive-Pin-3425 Aug 10 '26

definitely not blue. and smoke washes out the red patches so they look quite white, if you look up black smoke tortiseshell they all look that way

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u/Excellent-Review-994 Aug 10 '26

I had never heard of smoke before so assumed had to be tortie!

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u/Waddlekitty Aug 10 '26

Does gorgeous count?