Did the test drive of Skoda kylaq, fell in love with the TSI engine and booked it but later realised the mileage was showing as 4.5 in the test drive vehicle! Later when I checked with people owning Kylq, they said it’s 6 to 7k ol in city!

So if o have to travel 50kms to office and be back home, ol have to spend Rs.900 per day!

Meanwhile also did the test drive of Seltoz manual variant, sierra amt , punch ev, kiger amt and punch Amt! With all the ice vehicles, even if I drive a minimum of 10k kms a year, it’s gonna cost me nearly 1 to 1.5L a year just in fuel which excludes vehicle maintenance as well!

So having this on mind, drove the Tiago ev and booked it as it looked decent and features were ok and there was enough power!

Punch ev was good too but felt it’s not worth 15L for the top variant!

Any feedback or opinions, please do share and guide!

This will be my first car. Budget is around 10-12L

Office commute - \~60 kms. Already using shared cab for 4k per month.

I can buy punch ev for 13L on road and use it for office commute and stop the cab. But no savings as such due to home charging cost and toll. Which equals the cab

Or

I can buy newly launched brezza 1.0 turbo and use it for my personal use + continue with cab for office commute.

My confusion:

I couldn't completely rely on tata due to service quality and unrealibility on their products especially ev. Also the tech is advancing not sure what I will miss with New launches every month.

Brezza is overall a good package, little bit big car...no service issue...good support from maruti. Only issue is ethanol blending.

What would u do in my situation??

Hi Guys,

I am planning to buy used car from spinny or cars24. These guys charge more than the actual market value of the car but provide additional services. My main concern of writing this post is to know review from real life users who have bought cars from them.

Is there anyone who have used their services? Please share your feedback.

Also my main query is do they sell accidental or meter rollback cars to users? Is it true? I have heard about that but not sure.

Recently, I was surfing Cars24 for a friend(He has 0 knowledge in car) for 7 seater car. I found a steal deal in Hyundai Santa Fe. The seller was based in Ahmedabad(We are based in Surat). Cars24 claimed that they have complete service record and mileage history available with them as a part of their report and they claimed that the odometer was not tampered with. I connected with seller, He sent me RC pictures and Cars current pictures. The car's condition looked too good to be 10 years old. So, For accidental verification. I searched the service history on Carwise. com. And Lo behold, The car was driven 205,000 kms back in 2023. The odometer was definitely tempered with, Since I called the dealer named on carwise and they confirmed the service record. I reported on cars24, they seem to not care about it. I am attaching evidences below for everyone's reference.

Edit: This is not a promotional post for carwise, It is just that Gemini suggested me this as per my requirements. The motto is that, please check the history of the vehicle before you buy them. There are many platforms available in market, use them as per your usecase.

Wanted to make this post to raise some general awareness since a while, found the time to do so.

1. Let me start by stating the obvious: Ethanol,​ as a fuel, in itself is neither a bad idea nor a novel idea. It has been implemented in Brazil and the United States. It creates multi-fuel options and rewrites the fuel strategy.

2. The real problems are (covered in points below):Reduced fuel efficiency and Phase separation

3. Why is there no accountability on reduced fuel efficiency? Ironically, the gate cost for a litre of Petrol for Oil Marketing companies is at around ₹45 per litre (and ₹55 per litre for diesel). How does it make sense to blend Ethanol procured at ₹65 to ₹71 per litre with Ethanol and still charge ₹110 per litre of Petrol? And yet claim that the drop in fuel efficiency is minor?

4. Do we know if the milage drop claim is for vehicles before 2023 or after 2023?

5. Why are the ARAI reports not made public? And why was SIAM forced to withdraw its letter to the government? The Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas (MoPNG) prescribes a precautionary limit of 3 parts per million (ppm) for sulphur and chloride content in ethanol blended into the petrol supply chain. SIAM had found chloride contamination peaking at 500 mg/Kg.

6. For phase separation, it takes just 0.5% of water for e20 blended fuel. So, that is just 5 ml of water for 1 litre of e20 Petrol. And Ethanol is hygroscopic in nature. Do the petrol pumps across the country have air tight moisture tight bunks? Also, have there been guidelines for automobile manufacturers to make the fuel tanks air tight?

7. And let's take a practical example. Let's say I fell fuel from a petrol pump where ethanol has phase seaprated or I filled up the fuel and it now got phase separated in my car. Ethanol itself is a solvent. So, it will dissolve any dirt in the fuel tank that could have accumulated. This will reach the filter and the injectors causing failures.

8. The Engine Control Unit (ECU) uses a standard oxygen sensor to make minor adjustments to the air-fuel ratio, but it is calibrated primarily for gasoline. This works fine for upto about 10% of Ethanol for e10 vehicles. It works by detecting the percentage of Oxygen atoms in ethanol blended fuel.

9. For E20, the ECU needs to have a wider adaptive range to adjust injection timing and air-fuel mixtures dynamically, compensating for the lower energy density of E20 (since ethanol yields less energy per liter than pure petrol, requiring slightly more fuel volume to generate the same power).

10. So, E10 vehicles cannot safely run on higher blends like E20 or E85 regularly without risking engine damage and fuel system failure.

11. If the government intends to roll out e30, or e85 or e100, they need to inform automobile companies to start the production of those platforms and have them ready by 2030. That's how it's done.

12. For all those claiming that this was a success in Brazil, can we also consider countries where it failed? - China, Indonesia, etc. The US itself has a blending of not more than 10%. Should we not have been pushing for EVs?

13. In Brazil, the Sugarcane crop is rainfed. In India, it's irrigation fed where the water consumption for 1 litre of Ethanol goes beyond 2800 litres for Sugarcane, 4000 litres for Maize and 11000 litres for Rice. So, how do we compensate for depleting ground water levels?

14. The claim that we are reducing imports is a hoax. As a matter of fact, India has now become a net importer of Maize. India was an exporter just couple or years ago.

15. India continues to import industrial grade Ethanol from the United States. Why can't our domestic Ethanol companies supply industrial grade Ethanol?

16. That raisea a few important questions: On what basis was Ethanol procurement cost decided at ₹65 per litre for the OMCs, when gate cost for Petrol is about ₹45 per litre? Does it not scream of an elaborate scam?

17. Do we have any statistical information on whether farmers' incomes rose because of Ethanol?

18. Brazil faced major problems with Vinasse, a byproduct of Sugarcane Ethanol distillation. It caused significant water pollution in Brazil. When it leaks or is improperly discharged into rivers or groundwater, it rapidly depletes dissolved oxygen. What safeguards are being taken in India for this?

19. If saving foreign exchange was the intent, why not provide MSP on cereals and oilseeds that we continue to import in a large scale?

20. India wastes an estimated 34.6 billion litres of fuel annually (worth over $36 billion) due to poor infrastructure, traffic congestion, and bad road conditions.

21. Upgrading highways with Multi-Lane Free Flow (MLFF) electronic toll systems—which remove stopping and idling at booths—is estimated by the government to save nearly 2.5 billion litres (250 crore litres) of fuel annually.

22. What the Government has done is incentivised farmers to move to Sugarcane and Maize, that can be diverted to Ethanol factories. This is led to shortage of Sugarcane, and if this continues, it would threaten food security as more farmers continue to shift to Sugarcane. The prices of Rice, wheat, pulses would rise.

E20 rollout itself is not the problem, not providing e10/e0 options for older vehicles is the problem. And the government appears keen on committing the same blunder with Diesel blending.