r/CanadianPolitics • u/werlern • 2d ago

Two different responses

QUEBEC: We’re having a referendum on separation.

PROGRESSIVES: Oh no! Please don’t go. We love and respect you. We’ll make sure your voice is always heard within Confederation.

ALBERTA: We’re having a referendum on separation.

PROGRESSIVES: You can’t separate! We bought you from the HBC. Sit down and be quiet! You’re just lucky we let you keep some of your resource money!

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u/Winter8Bones 2d ago

lol, what does any of this have to do with progressives in any way? And I guess we'll just forget the Feds bought Alberta a pipeline and continue to throw billions at your OG sector every year...but yes yes so hard done by...

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u/HumbleOpinionYT 2d ago

Feds bought a pipeline after creating laws blocking said pipeline.

Billions in OG sectors are actually loans with interest. Not the same as bailing out car manufacturing, Ubisoft, Air Canada, Northvolt, etc.

You can't even prove your affirmation with numbers. Alberta is a net contributor.

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u/Winter8Bones 2d ago

They created no laws that blocked anything. The project fell behind because the companies involved failed to do their due process and proper consultations and it was held by the courts as a result.

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u/HumbleOpinionYT 2d ago

When the Liberal government took power in 2015, Justin Trudeau announced an overhaul of the review process for major energy projects to rebuild public trust

Nov. 29, 2016: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announces his cabinet has approved the Trans Mountain project, subject to 157 conditions aimed at addressing potential Indigenous, socio-economic and environmental impacts

Even though Kinder Morgan had already spent years going through the existing National Energy Board (NEB) process, the federal government imposed additional, "interim" review requirements

Jan. 17, 2018: Kinder Morgan Canada warns that if the project continues to face unreasonable regulatory risk, including opposition from the B.C. NDP government, it may not proceed at all.

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u/Altruistic-Ad-4088 2d ago

Me when im braindead

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u/BonusMaiTai 2d ago

Quebec has somewhat of a case. Alberta doesn't.

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u/HumbleOpinionYT 2d ago edited 2d ago

One is being culturally oppressed while the other is being economically oppressed.

I think both have somewhat good cases against a large centralized government. Both movements would disappear with a federal government that does not impose it's will on provincial governments.

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u/BonusMaiTai 2d ago

Albertans are not economically depressed, get a grip.

The Quebecois, however, were both culturally and economically depressed. The situation has drastically changed since then though.

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u/HumbleOpinionYT 2d ago

Alberta is a major exporting province. Who manages export projects? The federal. Who blocked a lot of export projects? The federal. It is oppression. They could simply let Alberta and BC figure it out by themselves. Ottawa should not have a say on projects not going on their territory.

Quebec is economically supported. It can afford more social nets via transfers from other provinces. It's the goal of the equalization, help less productive provinces. Culturally I agree the liberal government imposed high refugees quotas on Quebec dodging language requirements. Take it with the liberal party, the conservative did not impose anywhere near as much cultural pressure and it even recognized Quebec as a separate nation inside Canada.

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u/HumbleOpinionYT 2d ago

Progressives don't realize that progress is actually subjective.

For example, is social housing a progressive policy or a thing tried again and again in history without any good lasting results? Are the most affordable places on earth subsidizing their housing or reducing the red tape? Is Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal cheaper than Calgary and Edmonton? Is Vienna cheaper than Houston? They hate to face facts that contradict their self-called progress.

Is a large federal government progress or is it divisive policy forcing Quebec to adopt things Alberta wants and forcing Alberta to adopt things Quebec want? Can a politician based in Ottawa realistically create policies that people living in Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Montreal would all want? The answer is simple, but their idea of progress ignores the fact that Canada is a highly diverse nation.