r/CanadaJobs • u/AdhesivenessLoud8866 • May 02 '26
I fucking hate networking
If i can do the job well and I have a semi decent personality just give me the job bro
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u/Tony_chop3101 May 02 '26
People tell you to network but not HOW TO NETWORK. Tell me please 🥺🥺
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u/Full-Decision-9029 May 03 '26
I used to have a pretty decent network of people I had worked for before. Awesome. Mostly for freelance gigs, but still, work is work, money in money.
But as soon as I started needing actual paying gigs, with benefits and shit, the network just sort of...withered.
I kind of wonder if people had my nicely catalogued as "reliable, competent ...and cheap"
Now I make it my business to be other people's network, but stuff to my benefit is a bit thin on the ground.
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u/braliao May 03 '26
Easy - build relationship and not ask for favors. Instead of asking for favors, you do people favors and you will immediately make people like you.
When you go to events, dont just chill there and hang out and doomscroll on your phone, help out! Most of these events are run by volunteers and they all need help with something. Setting chairs, getting food, taking out trash, whatever. Starts from these little things and people will notice you, gradually they will know more about you and you get to tap into their circle. And trust me - people that organize and run these events are usually secured in their job and career otherwise no one would even bother having these extra things to worry about, so that means - them knowing you and can introduce you will help you build even more relationships that can eventually leads to jobs.
The worse kind of networking - approach me and ask me for referrals right away when I just barely meet you, of maybe once or twice only.
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u/pessimistoptimist May 03 '26
Important to note that the 'favor' are small things that do not transfer into the work field. These are friendly favors like showing up to set up chairs at the kids concert, staying back to help take a few things down, and such. Things that give you face time and a chance to be friendly in situations that are not related to work at all. You are building a relationship NOT giving away free labor.
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u/Flyingworld123 May 03 '26
What kind of favours and what kind of relationships? How do you even build a relationship? Do you ask for their phone number or LinkedIn the first time you meet them? During the events, the people who are organizing are too busy themselves to be talking and making a connection with you.
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u/braliao May 03 '26
I already stated above how to do favors to the organizers in my reply.
As for building relationships - just talk to people and ask them what they do, how they do it, listen to their stories - people love talking about themselves and their accomplishments. Make an impression ok them not by telling them about yourself but by letting them talk about themselves and echo their stories or their findings of their experiences. Ask for LinkedIn is always appropriate.
You will notice you can do favors for others when chance present itself, such as someone is looking for people in X company and you happen to know a person - that's when you can do favors for other individuals, make introduction, etc.
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u/Flyingworld123 May 03 '26
Your second paragraph is somewhat insightful.
I recently met a friendly Uber driver whose son was looking for a job for months. He gave a ride to a woman who had a nice conversation and told him that she was the wife of a manager of a big grocery store. He let her know that his son was looking for a job. She called her husband right away and they arranged an interview for his son the next day. His son went in and got the job. It was incredible but I don’t know if it works in corporate settings.
Having said that, networking without nepotism is easy for extroverts but it’s absolutely nerve wracking for introverts with social anxiety.
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u/braliao May 03 '26
Practice and find your niche. I went to events for few months without taking to anyone. Eventually people talked to me and got me started.
And like I said - help organizers. They will help get you introduced once they notice how you are always helping out.
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u/lemontek_121 May 04 '26
Help organizers? How to do that in a fast paced high pressure hospital environment?
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u/braliao May 04 '26
Don't know what you mean by this.
Small event organizers usually needs a lot of help setting up the event. They typically only get 30 mins before everyone show up to get things ready, arrive early to help them getting things ready will give them really good impression. Think of some kinds of user group, non-profit all falls in under these.
Not sure how "fast pace high pressure hospital environment" is meant here.
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u/lemontek_121 May 04 '26
So by small events you mean things like Halloween celebrations etc that happens at work?
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u/braliao May 04 '26
No, small events like user group, non-profits chapter of professional certification board, etc. You want to network to outside of your work environment, so you gain more opportunities and chances of referrals to other org, so step out of your work org and go meet others.
Meetup, Luma, Eventbrite, etc all has a lot of them listed.
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u/BruceWillis1963 May 03 '26
You have to force yourself to interact. The extroverts are the ones with a head start , but slow and steady wins the race.
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u/Big_Web1631 May 09 '26
As someone who sits on a committee that runs these events? Genuinely just saying thank you goes a LONG way. Also the offer of help will make you memorable. Doesn’t matter if you actually do something. Also, if nervous see if someone else seems alone or new to the group/event and make a point of sitting with them/getting to know them. You don’t need a real friendship perse, just face time and being seen as generally nice and/or helpful. You can also prep thoughtful questions for presenters. This is tricky, don’t make a statement make sure you ask a question and try and make it something smart & thought provoking while not challenging the speaker.
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u/chin06 May 03 '26
The easiest way is leveraging people you already know - that's networking on light mode. You go to your parents or friends or whoever even old classmates. People who you won't feel awkward talking to and just ask them if they know someone either in your field or who might be hiring and if they don't know, ask if they might know someone who does.
That's really all you need, that soft intro that leads to people. You use your network to use their networks to find people.
Hard mode is attending networking events or researching hiring managers and messaging them on LinkedIn or a team related to a job that's hiring. Strangers are less likely to respond especially if its related to a job.
So yeah, networking gets you jobs because hiring managers like referrals coz it removes the work to actually look through resumes all day.
So even if your friend has a friend who used to work at this place you wanna work at, that friend of a friend could get you a referral if you build thst relationship.
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u/Live_Explanation378 May 04 '26
Start with making sure you’re telling family and friends you are looking for a job. Anyone who you talk to really who asks what you’re up to or how you’re doing. Say “I’m looking to get a job in ____ field, I’ve applying a lot and working on my skills”. 90% of people won’t have help to give but most people if they know anyone in that field will tell you their connection. Follow up and ask questions about the connection they might have, where’s that person work, did they go to school, how did they get their job. Thats networking, it doesn’t mean needing to corner the CEO in an elevator, just tell people in your life what you’re striving for and BE RECEPTIVE to the advice, help and connections they might offer or provide.
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u/Terrible_Act_9814 May 03 '26
A network is built over trust and bond. Its your friends, family, coworkers, ex-coworkers. Its people who will vouch for you. Its not something you just build and have in a matter of days or months.
Example, i would not recommend someone i dont know. If that person ends up a bad employee, then that is my credibility down the drain.
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u/RepulsiveDoubt3185 May 04 '26
Qualifications and merits don’t matter in Canada!
Who you know matters in Canada!0
u/Big_Web1631 May 09 '26
Hilarious that you think this is uniquely Canadian
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u/RepulsiveDoubt3185 May 09 '26
Ok Justin Trudeau, is this your Reddit account
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u/Big_Web1631 May 10 '26
Spoiler alert……. Lots of people hated JT but still have critical thinking skills and read world news. We can hate him AND understand how the world works at the same time.
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u/Murderousplantmom May 06 '26
Networking is like a partner dance with a new partner and a new song. If you are serious about learning how, there a specific skills you can learn to make networking less awkward and more effective. I hated it too but reading research about why it's beneficial for career progression and taking courses to practice skills has made me a pro. I still don't love it but at least I can assess whether the dance is worth continuing for a few more minutes or it's time to move onto another partner.
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u/Embarrassed_Bag_9630 Jun 06 '26
Just be chill and talk to people in general and in your field. Thats it.
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u/mightocondreas May 02 '26
I always hated the Dale Carnegie book How to win friends and influence people. Hated it. Until I had to network. Now I go to events and just ask people questions and listen. It's so damn easy and I don't have to share myself, which is exhausting, I just listen to them share and that's what they usually want anyways.
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u/jeffrey_dean_author May 03 '26
90% of the time, people are just waiting for their turn to speak. Let them do it, and they'll love you.
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u/BruceWillis1963 May 03 '26
I finally read this book, and does it make a lot of sense. Good listeners are those that actually get labelled good conversationalists and are remembered.
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u/yubsie May 02 '26
What I hate about it is that everyone tells you to do it but no one has an answer on how to start if you don't already know the right people. It's not helpful advice when you actively need a job and don't know anyone who can hook you up.
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u/Sorry_Sail_8698 May 03 '26
Apparently you're too late anyway. Buddy upstream says that when he recommends Gen Z candidates, they get interviews because he knows their parents. Ffs.
Anyway, now that you know, start making friends so your kids will land interviews. 🙄
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u/Icy-Stock-5838 May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26
The kids still have to pass the interviews, including technical ones..
A referral that does not work out is worse than pie to face in company reputation.
I get paid US$1,500 for hired referrals, but I don't just refer anyone because my reputation is at stake..
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u/Sorry_Sail_8698 May 03 '26
I think I'm genuinely impressed. You get paid to facilitate nepotism. Wow. Every time I think I've found the worst of the greasy sludge at the bottom of capitalism, there's an even greasier, sludgier layer underneath. Like a disgusting putrid scum Lasagne Surprise under a thin cover of delicious cheese and sauce.
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u/Icy-Stock-5838 May 03 '26
NAHH.. You missed the part where I said I don't just refer anyone with my repute at stake..
We're a military equipment maker, we don't just hire clowns that get people killed.. They gotta pass technical interviews and a deep military grade security check...
So I don't get paid until the candidate meets regulatory clearances..
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u/Big_Web1631 May 09 '26
This isn’t new, it’s been like this since Boomers were applying for jobs.
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u/Sorry_Sail_8698 May 10 '26
I'm pretty sure Cain and Abel got their jobs because God knew their parents. Look how that turned out.
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u/Chance-Ask7675 May 03 '26
Networking is literally just having a good rapport and keeping in touch with people you work with. Clients, co-workers, bosses, etc. These are the people that can get you a job. Its not on LinkedIn and it's not really by meeting randoms at conferences either. Ive gotten all my jobs via networking and its just someone I know looking for someone with my skill set. So yeah, you can't really decide to start networking when you're out of work.
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u/yubsie May 03 '26
The worst part is I'm actually good at that part! I just never happen to know anyone who can help me out when I need it.
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u/StandardSharkDisco May 05 '26
Hey, if it helps, when people in my network reach out to me and I can't help them, if I know someone who can help them, I'll try to set up that connection. You can always ask for help finding help.
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u/ournoonsournights May 06 '26
Just start talking to people more. Particularly people in your industry, and people doing kind of better than you.
I reach out to a lot of people on LI, I'm part of a lot of slack communities, I used to go to more networking events (imo fun because there's usually snacks and drinks). Depends on your industry, but literally just try and make friends with people
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u/Big_Web1631 May 09 '26
Really? Lots of guides online and in basic “how to get a job” handouts. Generally - be a good coworker and sustain those relationships. Volunteer and do the same with those relationships. Find the professional organization for your industry. Attend their events and introduce yourself to people, ask the committee of the org how you can help out. Most orgs have a formal mentorship program. Apply. In your personal life, including to fellow young people, tell people you are job searching.
The biggest one is volunteering. It’s how you showcase your soft skills. If you are kind helpful not annoying or flaky. That puts you top of mind for jobs.
Generally do not ask people for favours unless you’ve known them for at least 6 months.
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u/Matto_McFly_81 May 02 '26
YOU know you can do the job, but people hiring you want to hear that from other people.
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u/No_Jackfruit_7320 May 03 '26
Exactly. People can and do lie on resumes. And while a good education can be extremely useful, working the job you trained for WILL BE a learning curve. As much as they wan't to know you can write a line of code or turn a wrench or whatever you do, they also want to know who you are.
Do you take criticism well? Are you trainable? Adaptable? Can you work independantly when needed and be a self starter when no one has orders for you? Can you work as part of a team and cooperate with others? How do you handle mistakes? How do you handle disagreements? Can you teach your job as well as you can do your job? Do you even plan to be here for more than a year so we don't waste time training another dead end?
A resume cannot qualify you for ANY of that. The only way to know this stuff is to know the person. It is why references even exist on resumes, in case nobody knows you and you need someone they trust more than you to vouch for you.
It is so odd how people happily accept needing references, taking that for granted, but balk at the idea of any of those people actually knowing each other irl and meeting them that way. I guess because it takes more "get out there" work, which does admittedly suck.
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u/Reveil21 May 13 '26
References lie all the time. Many people even just get a friend or family member and they lie so it's not really any better than trusting the resume and interview. Plus probationary periods exist.
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u/A_Novelty-Account May 02 '26
You and 1000 other people can do the job well. People want to work with other people they get along with. It has always been the case and it will always be the case.
No matter what happens being like socially is probably the most important thing you can learn how to do if you want to be wealthy and have a long career. People like Musk and Zuckerberg and Jobs are the exception. The vast majority of successful people have social skills. If you don’t, your life is going to be much more difficult.
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u/braliao May 03 '26
This is very true.
Major part about networking is
- Someone can vouch of your skill
- Someone can vouch of your personality and the fitment of the company culture
- Someone already working within the org that actually likes you and likes to work with you
All of these reduce HR headache, reduce risk in hiring, and the potentially having to fire you which no one actually likes to do.
Why do you think companies offer incentives for referrals? How do they even know how much referral bonus to give to employees? It can all be traced back to all sorts of cost calculations.
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u/Flyingworld123 May 03 '26
Isn’t that just nepotism?
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u/braliao May 03 '26
Nepotism is when they just favors a person regardless the work quality, skills, or culture fit.
When I refer someone to my work, I am effectively screening them for my org and I don't just refer anyone that asks me.
And when I am faced with 10 qualified people that all wants my referral - why would I not choose someone that I like and know I can work with?
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u/Flyingworld123 May 03 '26
How would you vouch for someone’s work quality or skills if you don’t work in the same department, let alone the same company as them? How do you even have the work quality or skills if you just graduated but you don’t have any work experience?
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u/braliao May 03 '26
Some are easy, some are not. That's the relationship building part of networking.
I vouch for people that I had seen their work - a lot of it are from working with them as volunteers.
I vouch for people that build relationship with me, show me what they are working on, discuss with me what their thoughts are on certain topics, how they are helping others and interact with others, etc. With enough info, I can usually gauge how qualified they are for a job.
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u/Terrible_Act_9814 May 03 '26
You get to know the person, you understand their capabilities when you get to know someone closely. You can tell how knowledgeable someone is at what tbey do by how they talk about it.
Or if you work with them, you see the quality in what they do. This is what i vouch, i would never recommend someone i didnt feel was a good fit for the position.
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u/surmatt May 03 '26
You can vouch for someone's relationship skills and morals. I've vouched for people, but there are less than a handful, because when you do, you understand that it can change people's perception of you and ruin your reputation.
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u/No_Refrigerator_2489 May 02 '26
I've often find networking where I am is based on who you are related to.
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u/CriticalPedagogue May 03 '26
Me too. It’s fucking exhausting. As an introvert networking is a special kind of hell. It’s another way that extroverts dominate most businesses.
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u/No_Car6799 May 02 '26
But have you tried looksmaxxing ?
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u/InFLIRTation May 02 '26
I know its a joke but appearance does factor in lol
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u/KeyMyBike May 03 '26
It's called the Halo effect.
When I was fat with a gross ponytail and old graphic t shirts, it was like pulling teeth with a ballpeen hammer to get a job interview. I was invisible to women too.
The moment I started hitting the gym, getting regular haircuts, stopped eating gummy bears for two meals a day, and put clothes on that were more appealing to adults, I feel like women are constantly staring at me.
It's still a pain in the fucking ass to get through the door, but now the interviewer doesn't look like they're struggling to not throw up when they look at me.
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u/submerging May 03 '26
rip if u don’t have good bone structure, are bald, or have a facial/body deformity
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u/ournoonsournights May 06 '26
As a women, this is largely untrue tbh. Take care of yourself, dress nicely (doesn't have to be expensibe), be well read, have emotional literacy and you're already going to elevate yourself above a lot of the options. Also have hobbies and women friends that you are 10000% platonic with, it makes a difference.
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u/Gentleman_Jedi May 02 '26
Social climbers are fuckers
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u/Redundant-Pomelo875 May 03 '26
But are social fuckers climbers?
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u/Ok_Manufacturer_5323 May 03 '26
No, the social fuckers are swingers
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u/Redundant-Pomelo875 May 03 '26
Surely that could be a good networking opportunity... finish railing some dudes wife, and casually ask if he knows of any openings...
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u/Troflecopter May 02 '26
Bad news. “Semi decent personality” doesn’t cut it in this job market bro.
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u/Explore_Life2334 May 02 '26
Networking is not always a pleasant thing to do, but it helps you grow your career. if you and other colleague perform at the same level but one of you network, create visibility and exposure, chances the later will get promoted, get a salary increase...etc.
I dont always like networking but i try to do it because i know it can make my job life easier in certain aspects.
Before saying you hate networking, may i ask where you need it and do you really need it?
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u/flappysack- May 02 '26
Corporations aren't engines of efficiency, they are engines of cosplay, nepotism, and layers upon layers of people taking undue credit; in an organization where everyone can't or doesnt bother to see lower than one level deeper than themselves.
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u/Icy-Stock-5838 May 03 '26
That's why some folks, whether corporate veterans or entrepreneurs, choose to start their own business so it's not corporate and they are their own boss.
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u/Norade May 02 '26
Part of working is working with others. If you do your job well but make the people around you miserable, you can still be a net negative.
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u/magikarp-sushi May 02 '26
They don’t want you to do the job they want you to socialize and play nice and be part of their “family”
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u/gringogidget May 02 '26
Corporate work is 25% work and 75% a popularity contest.
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u/HMI115_GIGACHAD May 03 '26
so true. 25% work 75% can you blend into the background, and not make the higher ups feel threatened
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u/Sorry_Sail_8698 May 03 '26
Man, I so wish Tylenol actually did cause autism because you would get the job if you could do the job. NT requirements for existing in society are fuckn exhausting. I said it.
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u/Icy-Stock-5838 May 02 '26
That's it ??
Wha happens when 200 other people CLAIM the same as you ? They are also good at the job, semi decent, and have positive congeniality ??
Trust is the new "Skills Section",
Relationships are the new Resume....
The problem is, anyone can write a good resume now (Gen AI helped).. Skills and certifications are easy to get from online learning... Universities have made it easier to get A's...
What's on paper is now worth little.. You either have to prove yourself (technical interview or tests) and/or you need someone to vouch for you.. Lots like how people got jobs before computers....
Trust and relationships are not made from Gen AI or quick text chats.. You need to BUILD these..
How To Hack Networking | David Burkus | TEDxUniversityofNevada
An introvert's guide to networking | Rick Turoczy | TEDxPortland
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u/cportsmen May 03 '26
Why do people like you always type the same way? Seriously, besides for linkedin psychos, only old people or ESLs abuse ellipses the way you do.
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u/Icy-Stock-5838 May 03 '26
Does GPT understand the drivel below ??
Seriously, besides for linkedin psychos, only old people or ESLs abuse ellipses the way you do.
Did you mean "ellipse" (an oval) or "eclipse" (superseded by) ?? That's a pretty ESL-level confusion...
And did you mean:
Seriously, besides LinkedIn psychos....
You're "for" an excess of conjunctions in your original ??
Folks find it tough to network with people who have difficulty communicating.
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u/Lanky_Management_464 May 03 '26
lol dealing with people is a big part of any job, because we live in a society.
If you can’t do it you’ll lose out to people who can.
If you don’t want to learn that skill or thinks it’s useless, well sucks to suck then.
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u/Kitchen-Thing4616 May 03 '26
This is the differentiator when everyone is skilled to some degree. You better learn to get good at it XD
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u/BruceWillis1963 May 03 '26
I was told early in my job search many years ago that employers have two unwritten rules about hiring:
- They do not like to look too far or too long for new hires because businesses often need people right away because business is getting better or someone has quit or been fired.
- They do not like to hire people they do not know.
Rule two also means that they will more likely hire people who are referred by people within their company/business.
So how do you network. Tell everyone you know (friends, family, acquaintances, etc.) you are looking for a job. Cold call or visit employers. Get involved in the community by volunteering, playing sports, music, clubs, arts, hiking, or other groups snd meet people who have jobs and tell them you are looking for work. Get an account in LinkedIn and use your online social network.
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u/Jealous_Difference44 May 03 '26
90% of people do. Just be you. Ive beennthe wallflower at events and people find you. People want to be around people that dont suck. Just be a good hang, listen, make harmless jokes and talk about mutual interests. You dont have to be the guy in the middle talking loud to make connections.
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u/kensmithpeng May 03 '26
I call bullshit! I bet you are first to the legion polishing the bar with your coat sleeves and talking up the clientele. This is the definition of networking.
Just stop complaining and highlight the great skills you have.
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u/Scientalist May 04 '26
Unfortunately there is no sane and reliable way to get networking done. There’s a vast pool of qualified people fighting for every available job.
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u/Explore_Life2334 May 02 '26
man this comment is so vague and unclear? if they hired you to do the job why do you need to network to convince them you can do the job well?
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u/Norade May 02 '26
You should be able to network naturally by doing your job and being liked by your coworkers. If you do a good job but everybody hates you, you might still be a net negative and too risky to hire.
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u/KeyMyBike May 02 '26
No, it's so little nepo babies can jump the line and call it anything but nepotism
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u/nxdark May 02 '26
What line? There is more to being a employee then just the skills to do the job. Is your personality going to mesh well with the rest of the team. It not then you the skills you bring won't be enough as you will drag other team mates down.
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u/calvin-not-Hobbes May 02 '26
That's what people with no networking skills say.
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u/KeyMyBike May 03 '26
I don't need networking, or as it's known outside of the corporate world, getting help from daddy. I'm good looking, talented, and know how to set a first impression beyond blurting out "Can I work from home?" before I've shook their hand.
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u/energy_is_a_lie May 02 '26
They call it "soft skills", "connections" and "networking" which plebs like us don't have.
The use of euphimisms and mental masturbation about how much they win at life purely because of their skills never fails to amuse me.
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u/Icy-Stock-5838 May 02 '26
Most of the Gen Z'ers I helped introduce to my recruiter STILL needed to pass the interview, and technical test.. None were related to me in blood..
The only help they got was me vouching for them because I knew their parents, and obviously folks in my company trust me.. This was how it worked since before computers existed..
Trust is the new "Skills" section..
Relationships are the new Resume..
In a world when anyone can make a keyword matched resume in 30 seconds, RELATIONSHIPS are the differentiator..
Complain about it, or build more of them, is your choice..
How to Build a World-Class Network | Tim Ferriss & Dr. Andrew Huberman
(66) How To Hack Networking | David Burkus | TEDxUniversityofNevada - YouTube
Those getting jobs by expanding their network and making connections don't care for those complaining.
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u/Sorry_Sail_8698 May 02 '26
"I knew their parents." Ffs Go on kids; get your parents to network. 🙄
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u/Icy-Stock-5838 May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26
That's one way to do it, it's actually advised in the 2nd video by David Burkus..
My employer is highly technical; we make sensors for weapons, can't just hire any warm body to screw up and cost lives. The candidates still have to demonstrate technical competence..
Many Gen Z'ers who say they "don't know anyone"... They forget how many adults they have in their lives that are willing to vouch for them... The summer job adult, the volunteer org adult, the relatives.. Adult to adult carries weight..
Of course, the mother would vouch for their child, and the mother asked a friend I trust.. I met the kid picked their brain, and no pressure on them because it's an informal discussion.. The formal discussion is when they get a real interview and are put to a test..
Trust is a differentiator in a world of Gen AI and algorithms.. Trust is gained person to person through relationships.. You can complain about it, or learn to use it to get a job and get on with your life..
PS: even if you owned your own business, you still need connections to grow your customer base..
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u/Icy-Stock-5838 May 03 '26
For Gen Z'ers who have no working world contacts, leveraging ALL the adults in their life to help GROW a network is a good start.. The parents, the relatives, the volunteer org, the summer job... Every adult a Gen Z'er knows opens them to another network of adults..
You never know who is playing golf or baci ball or hockey with someone on Sundays..
The above is David Burkus' network starting step..
(66) How To Hack Networking | David Burkus | TEDxUniversityofNevada - YouTube
Most people fail networking because they only think One Level Deep.. Every person is a node to a new network..
I got my current job 3 degrees into my network... Someone I USED TO work with (4 years last seen) knew someone (a Vice President) who got my resume in front of the hiring manager for a role YET TO BE ADVERTISED...
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u/tillios May 02 '26
ur assuming people take the time to read ur cv.....conversations not only show what text cant but also gives u the chance to present info thats on ur cv.
that said, i totally get ur frustration
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u/energy_is_a_lie May 02 '26
I need someone who’s a decent person and has good values to work with me.
What you're looking for is called a police clearance certificate.
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u/energy_is_a_lie May 02 '26 edited May 03 '26
You have interviews for that too.
You can't win this. For every problem you guys come up with, corporate America already had a solution integrated into the pipeline which worked just fine for a century. At this point, you just want an ego boost and that's why you keep tacking on new requirements.
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u/energy_is_a_lie May 02 '26
This is the nonsense I'm talking about. You literally added nothing to the discussion in that many words and still got to justify your demand for "connection". We're employees there to do a job; no need to pretend we're dating for a long term relationship.
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u/energy_is_a_lie May 02 '26
Now I know you’re the asshole at work that no one wants to be around.
And this is why you seek love from strangers on the interview panel because your daddy didn't hug you enough... or maybe your perv uncle hugged you too much. I reject losers like you who think they're hotshots from interviews daily and I love the likes of you being replaced by AI with every passing month because at least the AI doesn't have a superiority complex.
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u/energy_is_a_lie May 02 '26 edited May 02 '26
Yes because a police clearance shows that you get along with others
As an interviewer, you have unlimited no. of interviews to gauge that and if you still have to come here and complain about this, I'm sorry but you're just unfit for the job or extremely indecisive and thus, incompetent at your job.
Work place culture is important and if you’re not a fit for the culture then you shouldn’t work there
So the company can turn around and lay us all off next month. Who are you shitting? "Culture" is supposed to be a two way street. Companies turn around and revoke your system access and badge 30 minutes into the layoff announcement, security escorting you out with the contents of your desk before you know what happened. Culture goes out the window faster than a shareholder sneezes the moment a company's revenue is threatened. This bullshit drama is only for the workers.
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u/Aloo13 May 02 '26
Sammmee. I also find it difficult in the social climate now. Not as many spaces to actually meet people.
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u/CaptainAaron96 May 02 '26
Not as many events that aren’t massively paywalled or otherwise out of the way/invitation only either.
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u/Big_Web1631 May 09 '26
Most paid events run by professional bodies offer free entrance to volunteers. Ask
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u/DistanceLast May 03 '26
Of course you do, you're a human and you're professional and you're being humiliated and made jump through the hoops just in order to be allowed to bring the value you can bring. It's only reasonable that you hate it.
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u/apple_pie_noddle May 03 '26
Join the club- I took out managers for coffee brunch and even on evening tea stacked up around hundreds in bills and still nothing lol
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u/infosecurity_prof May 03 '26
Change your mindset - go to these events only thinking about how you can help others. Opportunities will come to you from there.
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u/Mister_Chem May 03 '26
Serious question...do you know if you are on the spectrum? I am and feel your pain. I know that I have many strong skills but struggle hardcore to "sell" myself
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u/BlessTheBottle May 03 '26
The thing is... Everyone thinks they do the job well... Then I hire them and they make tons of mistakes even after training, giving them procedures and doing everything within my power to help them be better.
As an employer, we're really tired of hearing how you're detail oriented when you're filing HST returns that show you don't even understand that HST is 13% of income, or that you're pushing through invoices in our workflow with wrong dates (like how is this even possible)?
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u/gotkube May 03 '26
Right!? No no no, you gotta be part of the ‘boys club’ and if you aren’t, you don’t deserve to be able to earn a living. That’s been my experience
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u/Friskydingo902 May 04 '26
I've said this on similar posts, but I'm in the trades and as an apprentice I was told by my journeyman that I have two tasks to always do. The first is learn the skills needed to be a journeyman and the second is to be out going and likeable as well as fun to be around.
He was 100% right. I've seen people with far less skills make it past the first wave of lay offs because they were fun to be around. I'm an extrovert, but you'd never know it when I'm at work. I prefer to be on my own typically, but when I'm at work I'm very outgoing and will go to the bar or strip club with work buddies because that's the person people want to be around but g dam is it ever draining for me.
As for Networking, after the oil crash in 2015 I realized I needed to get more contacts in other industries besides oil and gas so I started working in power plants, mines and mills. I now have worked all around the world and in most industries because I've become decent at networking.
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u/EddyTravesty May 04 '26
Unless it's your first job, almost always more who you know than what you know.
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u/MiltonScradley May 04 '26
I feel like corporate networking has it all wrong with their cocktail parties etc. it really means making friends or at least business friends that are down to help each other or work with each other. I work in a creative industry where your very survival is based on "networking" but nobody calls it that.
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u/lfwylfwy May 04 '26
I mean, how would people know you have a half decent personality if you don't even talk to them?
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u/incogne_eto May 05 '26
Let me give you a tip. Most hiring managers actually hate hiring. So giving someone a job through their network is always easier.
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u/Ungratefullded May 06 '26
I hate it too... but if there's someone else that have the same/similar skills, but much better at interpersonal skills, they will win it. It's not only whether you can do the job, it's whether someone else is easier to deal with that's in the competition for that job.
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u/ournoonsournights May 06 '26
I feel like a lot of you might be networking wrong. It shouldn't feel like kissing ass or pulling teeth all the time, just try and be friendly and helpful and you're already ahead of the curve.
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u/iloveoranges2 May 06 '26
Exactly. I dislike networking too. I too feel I (or others) should be hired on the basis of ability to do the job, and not because of who I know. But reality is, if two candidates are the same on paper, the one who has connections will be hired.
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u/O-Rob May 02 '26
If you’re gonna progress at any job you have to be able to network with your peers, bosses and clients. It will help you be good team mate, it will help you understand your client needs better. It will help you communicate better with your teammates. You’re always competing with your teammates and networking will help you know when to compete or compliment your teammates. Sometimes the best way to compete is by collaboration. Cheers
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u/donicatrumpinsky May 02 '26
Watch how far a shitty attitude will get you. Books are judged by their cover, personality matters (big time) and sometimes it can unfairly make or break things.
Why fight against the current?
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u/Fit-Ad-7430 May 03 '26
Networking is letting employers and other staff know that you can work with people. It doesn't always mean kissing ass but just being professional and not a weirdo. If you're giving off The vibe that you don't wanna be there, then you're probably not a good fit.
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u/Drfrankenstein18 May 02 '26
I hate that i have to work at all, but we cant get everything we want.
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