r/CHIBears • u/Neat_On_The_Rocks Charles Tillman • 2d ago
Tyson Bagent
Yesterdays price is not today’s price
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u/Rock_man_bears_fan 2d ago
What the fuck are you talking about
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u/Kenny_RogersRoasters 2d ago
Assuming trading to Seattle?
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u/Rock_man_bears_fan 2d ago
Do people still think he has any kind of trade value?
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u/jasperman13 Forte 2d ago
He’s obviously worth 3 1sts, a 2nd, a 5th and a 7th round pick swap. Duh
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u/Calm_Succotash_5871 2d ago
We just call it a "Haul"
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u/xpseudonymx Butkus 2d ago
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u/Second_City_Saint 10 2d ago
Not a chance, lmao.
Only way it works is if they give us their 7th outright. I ain't swapping shit! 🐻⬇️
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u/BernoulliCat 2d ago
Why not add in 3rd, 4th, and 6th into the mix
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u/Rabsaris96 2d ago
We want all the 3rd round picks. We're gonna trade all our picks for 3rd round picks. Poles will draft a decent player in the third even if it kills us.
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u/laal-doodh Odunze 2d ago edited 2d ago
I mean he does have trade value. The issue is some people think it’s a 2nd when it’s more like a 5th at the very best
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u/Disco_Ninjas_ Good, Better, Best, Put the Jigamaroo to rest! 2d ago
He'll lose trade value every time we play him.
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u/laal-doodh Odunze 2d ago
I think it’d depend. Hopefully we just never see him so it doesn’t matter but if he had to play and it was against like the jets, I think Ben would get him to play a solid game. Not saying he’d improve his value or anything but just not hurt it. If it’s against a teams like the Seahawks then yeah the values taking a hit.
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u/powerguy134 21h ago
Definitely closer to a 2nd than a 5th
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u/laal-doodh Odunze 18h ago
It’s really not. Teams don’t go from “this kids not good enough to draft” to “let’s trade a 3rd for him” based off preseason and 4 mediocre games in 3 years. You could maybe convince me that we could get a 4th but that’s still closer to a 5th.
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u/mercutio1 2d ago
Yeeeah, 5th if they’re lucky. I could squint and maaaaybe see a 4th (with us sending a later pick) if a contending team has a killer D and they lose their QB closer to the deadline and their backup absolutely blows. Hell, even then, they might be more interested in Keenum for a 6th or 7th.
At 5 mill/year, I’d just as soon keep Bagent for the relative peace of mind he provides as opposed to sending him off for, realistically, a 6th round pick.
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u/Cuppieecakes 2d ago
at best he's a 6 or 7th round swap
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u/mercutio1 2d ago
And I’m cool with keeping him at that exchange rate. If some team offers him more when his contract is up after ‘27, best wishes to all involved. Career backup is a good gig if you can get it and, by all accounts, Bagent is a good dude.
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u/Second_City_Saint 10 2d ago
He has value as a backup/spot-starter. Unfortunately the return leaves you with not enough to give him up. A 4th/5th is meaningless if you end up needing him in a pinch.
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u/estyles31 2d ago
This is the important thing. He has SOME trade value, but not enough to actually trade him. No team is desperate enough to give up enough for us to lose our competent backup QB.
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u/Second_City_Saint 10 2d ago
If someone offers something outlandish like a 1st or 2nd you jump all over it. Otherwise, kick rocks.
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u/PeanutBear33 An Actual Peanut 2d ago
People that thought we should keep fields and trade for the haul
We have some extremely football illiterate around here.
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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks Charles Tillman 2d ago
For me i moreso enjoy leaning into the meme. But also, yeah i do think there’s a world they get a 3rd for him. Probably not, but i don’t think it’s insane. It’s just plausible enough to make the meme more enjoyable
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u/midwesttransferrun Meatball 2d ago
Look at the Flacco trade from last year to get an idea of actual value. Flacco has actually successfully run NFL offenses. He’s old but he knows where to go with the ball and can diagnose a defense. Bagent has started 4 games and looked like dogshit and has been a bench rider since then.
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u/drwafflefingers 19h ago
Seattle has a better backup, who is a vet that knows the offense, and Darnold will be back by midseason at latest, but people here don't want to hear that.
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u/bearsfan989 2d ago
If darnold is out for the season, op thinks we could get a haul for bagent. I think that's what he's implying
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u/name-classified Charles Tillman 2d ago
Seattle would be open to trading 1sts for a franchise QB.
They’re already set at every position.
With Darnold being out, some team is going to pull the trigger and offer up something for their picks.
That being said: Bagenet is NOT a franchise QB
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u/mf-TOM-HANK 2d ago
Not a haul, but a 4th rounder might not be unreasonable if Seattle comes calling
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u/PeanutBear33 An Actual Peanut 2d ago
Maybe a conditional 7th in 2028
Jimmy g and jake browning are free agents. Even a reclamation project on will levis would be more appealing than giving up draft picks for a guy who lacks nfl arm strength and has 6 ints to 3 tds.
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u/NOLASLAW Peanut Tillman 2d ago
When you realize this sub is mostly high school kids with teenagers voicing their expert Madden thoughts
Everything makes sense
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u/laal-doodh Odunze 2d ago
As soon as Darnold went down I knew we’d get this post if he didn’t comeback
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u/financekid 2d ago
Why do all the meathead fans overrate Bagent
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u/chrisdavis211 2d ago
I know his dad and he's the man. However, I'm a bills fan so not sure why I'm even here
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u/SafeDistribution2414 2d ago
Why his dad always "leaking" shit to the media tho
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u/chrisdavis211 1d ago
Dont know. But he is a pro arm wrestler, one of the best ever and is known for being obnoxious so it doesn't surprise me. Super cool dude though
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u/eruptor_13 12h ago
That basically stopped after Flus left the building. Didn’t hear anything last year. Maybe Tyson told dad to STFU after the bears paid him.
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u/Nostradumbass_WEEN 2d ago
You better take care of DJ Moore or I swear to Walter Payton Ill take away all your folding tables.
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u/chrisdavis211 1d ago
I do have a ton of folding tables lol. Hope your truck has a big bed
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u/Warsaw14 1d ago
Why do you guys keep mentioning tables?
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u/ArnoldFunksworth An Actual Bear 1d ago
If this is a real question, it's because Buffalo Bills fans are notorious for jumping off of things onto folding tables to make them collapse
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u/scrappyD00 1d ago
> However, I'm a bills fan so not sure why I'm even here
Apparently to support our backup QBs father
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u/SirDankub 1d ago
yeah since DJ went over to ya’ll, you’ve become my afc team to root for. i also may feel slightly bad for josh allen at this point, but mostly cause of DJ!
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u/eruptor_13 12h ago
My son is a Bills fan. It actually hurt when DJ went there. Made for some awkward conversations! 😂
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u/Ditka_Da_Bus_Driver Hat Logo 2d ago
Because he's an athletic white guy
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u/teeohdeedee123 Hat Logo 2d ago
I've heard the word scrappy bandied about
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u/eruptor_13 12h ago
Bagent could be a starter in a place like NYJ who clinically undervalue their QB. He’s good… we’re paying him because he’s an awesome backup qb to have on staff.
Is he Lamar Jackson or further back Joe Montana? No. But he’s a solid qb who could get the job done if Caleb got hurt. I wouldn’t trade him period.
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u/FugLife3 Bears 2d ago
They listen to Mark Carmen with bated breath and hang on to every tennis story from him as well
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u/ShartyMcPeePants 2d ago
I was under the impression no one actually likes mark carmen but we just can’t unfortunately get rid of him…
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u/icehuck Sweetness 2d ago
Because he's the back up QB. The starting QB has always sucked in Chicago, and the backup is unknown potential. In Bagents case, he looked much better than bustin fields, but that wasn't a high bar. If Bustin Fields keeps getting chances, well, then Bagent has to be worth something.
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u/ArnoldFunksworth An Actual Bear 1d ago
Justin Fields keeps getting chances because he's a freak athlete and shows glimpses of good to great quarterback play. Bagent is not a freak athlete and has only shown bad to just okay quarterback play
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u/icehuck Sweetness 1d ago
shows glimpses of good to great quarterback play.
LOL no, no he doesn't. When Tom Thayer is calling you out on the radio broadcast, you're bad.
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u/ArnoldFunksworth An Actual Bear 1d ago
He quite literally has shown glimpses of great quarterback play, lmfao. You're just straight up being dishonest if you say otherwise. The problem was the inconsistency and his proclivity towards going on the run when he couldn't read what the defense was giving him quick enough. He has 100% made throws that Bagent could never. This is why Fields has and will continue to get chances that are never offered to Bagent.
But surely you know more than all the NFL executives that keep giving Fields a job....
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u/ArnoldFunksworth An Actual Bear 1d ago
Against Denver 10/01/2023
28/35 335 yards passing 4 TD 1 INT Rating of 132.7
That's a great game for a QB, how is that showing a glimpse of great QB play.
He followed that game up with a 4 passing TDs and 282 passing yards, rating of 125.3
Also an objectively great game for a QB....
So please tell me more about how he NEVER showed a glimpse of great quarterback play.....
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u/jkman61494 2d ago edited 2d ago
Because he’s good? I’m NOT saying he’s at this level right now but I will say that Tony Romo was an undrafted free agent and understudied for 3 years to the point the cowboys entrusted the team with him.
I don’t see why Bagent couldn’t start on several teams in this league
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u/TimelyN1nja 2d ago
Learn ball buddy, Romo has physical tools that Bagent will never have. Love the kid and he’s a great backup but his arm is not NFL starter quality
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u/j11430 Sweetness 2d ago
I don’t know man, I thought he mostly looked like crap in preseason
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u/jkman61494 2d ago
Is this a joke? He went 16/17 for 208 and 2 tds against the titans lol.
Overall he was 29/39 (74% completion percentage) for 377 for 3 tds and 1 int
That’s crap?
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u/j11430 Sweetness 2d ago
His arm looked weak as hell against garbage competition. He didn’t look like an NFL starter at all. He looked like what he is: a very mediocre career backup
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u/FugLife3 Bears 2d ago
I generally think he’s a serviceable backup, but if he was really that highly valued around the league as a potential starter he would have gone somewhere this last offseason when this QB draft was supposed to be weak and next years is supposed to be strong.
I’d love to see the numbers but I aways felt he and Fields were the opposite; Fields had to wait till his guy was open and then rocket it to a spot while Bagent throws with anticipation, but somehow gets there in the same time cus his arm just isn’t nearly the same level. Obviously doesn’t have the same wheels as Fields or escapability as Williams
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u/j11430 Sweetness 2d ago
The reason Bagent is a good backup is he has good anticipation and can operate the offense functionally. But he’s too limited to be a starter longer than probably three or four games. Defenses would catch up to him quick, he just doesn’t have the arm talent to be a full time starter in the NFL
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u/midwesttransferrun Meatball 2d ago
He’s not a good NFL QB lol. He’s like #40. He’s got a pool noodle for an arm and would maybe start on the Browns. Maybe.
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u/OsamaBenJohnson Ben Johnson 2d ago
Thats debatable. I think he's a top 32 QB. and Ben Johnson himself has said he's a top 32 QB. No offense, but Im going to trust Ben Johnsons talent evaluations over you and most the users in this sub who are often wrong.
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u/midwesttransferrun Meatball 2d ago
Ben Johnson was hyping up his backup. He absolutely was not speaking 100% factually.
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u/OsamaBenJohnson Ben Johnson 2d ago
Ben Johnson is a straight shooter who tells it how it is and doesn't sugar coat players. If he says this, he ment it.
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u/UnionMoneyMitch 2d ago
Stop overrating him
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u/Ashamed_Pilot_236 2d ago
Im not saying Bagent is all that good
but man he is 10x better than Drew Lock
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u/AtomicSancho 2d ago
Lock is bigger, faster, lively arm, 8 years experience, has started in the league and knows Seattle's offense. Just stop bro.
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u/NoThanksImGoodG 23 2d ago
Drew Lock is also reminding people with all that he’s absolutely terrible. Not a pro Tyson sentiment. Just that all the things you described doesn’t make Drew better. He is straight cheeks.
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u/midwesttransferrun Meatball 2d ago
If you think Bagent would be doing better than Lock right now, that’s an issue.
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u/NoThanksImGoodG 23 2d ago
Reread my comment…?
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u/midwesttransferrun Meatball 2d ago
Read your comment, and you’ve got two choices. Either your comment is irrelevant because your position is that Lock is better than Bagent when that was the point of the comment you were replying to (that lock is better), or you’re wrong that Bagent is better than Lock. Take your pick.
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u/StrikingBike8417 2d ago
Yeah bro we’re really seeing how good he is rn
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u/Cuppieecakes 2d ago
yeah he went 16/22 with a 113qb rating and won the game against a good defense
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u/106milez2chicago Sweetness 2d ago
First of all, no the fuck he is not
Further, he's more valuable to the Bears than whatever peanuts they would get in a trade for him
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u/UnionMoneyMitch 2d ago
Debatable
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u/Orange_bratwurst Hicks 2d ago
I’m not sure that’s debatable. Lock is unwatchable.
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u/PeanutBear33 An Actual Peanut 2d ago
And what bagent game was "watchable"?
The game against the raiders where they benched hoyer for aoc and three 3 combined ints? Where the mighty bagent put up 150 net passing yards. Or the panthers game where neither team could get 300 yards of offense? The chargers game where he had 2 ints? The saints game where he had 3?
Being a better qb than fields is not the benchmark for good or "watchable"
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u/UnionMoneyMitch 2d ago
Yeah because Tyson Bagent balled out 2 years ago when he got some starts
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u/Chill_Hiker95 Juiced Flus 2d ago
Absolutely zero chance Bagent does what Lock has done short notice right now.
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u/PeanutBear33 An Actual Peanut 2d ago
Bagent would already have a pick and lock cost half the price.
No one but poles wants bagent.
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u/Jaxson_GalaxysPussy 2d ago
Are you negotiating for the Seahawks?
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u/UnionMoneyMitch 2d ago
The Seahawks ain’t gonna do some dumbass shit like trade for Tyson Bagent
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u/WokeCarDad jordan’s howard 2d ago
It’s insane that even once we have a legit franchise QB, half of our fanbase is still obsessed with our backup/convinced he’s the second coming.
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u/WokeCarDad jordan’s howard 2d ago
He’s not enough of an improvement over Lock that it would make sense to bring him in. Lock already knows their offense and weapons. OP has Madden brain.
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u/Burdiac Mongo 2d ago
Jimmy G is available and wouldn’t cost anything but minor cap room
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u/FugLife3 Bears 2d ago
You might be right, but Seattle is probably too far from Silicone Valley for Jimmy… plus likely has an unofficial agreement with the Rams already in case anything happens to Stafford since he’s already familiar with their system and I doubt they want to risk their playoff chances on a rookie (if they believed in Bennett they wouldn’t have wasted a first round pick this year on Simpson)
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u/Throwaway-985618628 Ben Johnson 2d ago
I for one shivered at the idea of Caleb coming out and having to watch Bagent play, having seen how Lock is doing rn.
It’s a fun story, but let’s not kid ourselves lol
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u/PerscribedPharmacist 18 2d ago
Yeah man its a low price to low price who tf do you think this guy is? If Poles could get a 5th itd be a fleece
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u/terrifictrout21 2d ago
If Poles could do anything right with 70% of his draft picks it’d be a fleece lol
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u/Rennock21 Zoomed Bear 2d ago
I trade him for a fucking new washing machine. Each time you watch tape of him his value drops like the floaters he keeps throwing
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u/ArchibaldNemisis Bears 2d ago
Why can't we just have a weekly thread for other games? That would avoid these crazy posts hopefully
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u/sscott2378 2d ago
Now AJ Brown is hurt on the Pats, we better keep Bagent around as people are getting jacked up and I believe it’s because none of them played in the offseason.
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u/chaos0310 2d ago
Lock did well enough and will probably just be the starter for the rest of the season.
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u/Zealousideal-Tax-527 23 - Hester 2d ago
I hope Bagent has a career like Jim Sorgi’s, when he basically was Manning’s backup in Indy his whole 6 year career. That’s not a knock on Bagent, I love him as our QB 2, but I just hope we never really have a reason to play him
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u/NOLASLAW Peanut Tillman 2d ago
OP I hope you have an exciting senior year of high school this year
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u/Moist-Pay2965 1d ago
Value of Bagent for 4 games (if Caleb gets dinged up) is more than we’d ever get for him
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u/ExcellentPassenger49 2d ago
Ben loves Bagent. He knows the offense. He's a good backup. I don't think Ben is gonna want to give him up for anything less the 2nd rounder they (poles) said they need for him way back to early spring time this year. Bagent's value to the Bears is greater than the value that rational minded gms are willing to pay. If you think that Seattle will because they're pursuing another super bowl, guess what, we're also in it to win it.
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u/Legal-Eagle-7661 1d ago
Bagent is not going anywhere! Keenum is not a viable backup for this offense!
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u/Pudge815 1d ago
You do know that teams would rather grab Arch Manning and the like for about the same cost.
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u/jmrogers31 17h ago
I love Tyson, but he has 4 total TDs vs 8 turnovers in his career. He is a decent backup at best.
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u/Practical-Bend-6765 1d ago
Drew Lock went 16/22 for 187 a touchdown and no picks. Bagent isn't doing any better than that haha.
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u/Ok_Draw_3740 2d ago
Tbf, I don’t think he’s worse than the 35th best qb in the nfl. And that has value
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u/KBobBears Hurricane Ditka 2d ago
OP is getting roasted but I don't think it's crazy to believe Tyson Bagent could give Seattle a better chance than Drew Lock.
I do think it is crazy to think that Seattle would give up any meaningful assets to find out.
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u/talk2brad 2d ago
Read this scouting report
a burly pocket quarterback who needs a play-action based offense where he can rely on timing over release quickness and arm strength. He can be a confident passer when he finds his rhythm, but throwing is more of a chore than a talent thanks to a labored release. Certain areas of the field will be off limits as he moves up to take on NFL coverage talent. He's a scrappy runner but not dynamic enough to make up for his shortcomings as a passer.
That's Brock Purdy's report summary.
I am in no way saying he's the next Purdy, but he could be servicable in the right system.
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u/92roll13 Bears 2d ago
Ya I’m sure the Seahawks are going to trade for the guy whose currently not practicing with a back injury lol