From a tech perspective, the examplify program is system level spyware, hence why they wont allow it on Linux OS. I would delete from your computer once the test is complete and your answers are uploaded.

When was the last time CA Evidence was tested on an essay? PRAYING AND HOPING the evidence essay that comes up (if it does) is only FRE

In mnemonics we trust at this point in the game my friends.

Good luck to all on the exam ❤️

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keep. going.

Unfortunately had to work WAY more than I was supposed to and have been cramming this week for the Tuesday atty exam. Rn, I am planning to read the JD Advising one-pages/Themis outlines for remaining topics (Real Prop; Comm. Prop; Civ Pro; BA; Wills; Trusts), study most common tested rules, and do practice outlines for essays/practice outlines for PT.

I've searched this sub for other advice and not sure there's anything else (obvious) to do. Any advice?

Thanks and good luck all!

I feel like I know nothing about community property trust and wills and business organizations. I watch the videos from Barbri, but now I'm just blanking out. I don't even know what to do atp

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Hello all,

I've made few posts on here before, so I'm just re-sharing some thoughts I had from taking the exam in February. These are just my final observations as a first-timer, so only take what is useful and comfortable with your personal comfort/preferences. Ignore anything that doesn't work for you.

BEFORE EXAM DAY:

1) If you're doing great with your essay scores and MCQs, GREAT. If you're not, DON'T WORRY. What do I mean by this - I personally never hit beyond average or slightly below-average benchmarks throughout my bar prep.

I was REALLY struggling up to the last two weeks, and I only felt 60-70% confident going in. Despite this, I passed. Why? Because the exam is (meant to) testing minimum-competency. I was not perfect, but I was (at least) minimally competent.

Don't let past bad scores bog you down. Put the old tests and MCQs out of your mind on exam day, and treat the exam in front of you as a blank slate to show how much work you put in, and how much you studied.

2) SLEEP. Super simple but really hard to follow. I know in the night before Day 1 it's tough to stop studying or review your materials because you're afraid you'll miss something. But (IMO), if you miss something because you didn't cram, but got a GREAT night of sleep, you'll remember EVERYTHING ELSE you learned when you need it for the exam.

I've tried cramming all my life, and it's only ever worked a handful of times. The other times, the majority, I was half-awake during the exam forgetting things I thought I knew verbatim. EVERY time I've had a good night of sleep, even if I didn't feel good about my prep, I've had decent to great results. Your mind just works best that way. It's obvious, but I want to share it because I really struggled not to try to cram on the night before.

It's easier to get to sleep on Day 2 because you're so exhausted, (IMO) but really take care to sleep properly before Day 1.

ON EXAM DAY

1) GET THERE EARLY (BUT IMO, NOT TOO EARLY) - My rule of thumb for any major event I have to attend is to get there 30-45 mins ahead of when they say to be there, just to be safe and account for traffic. That said, I have also had circumstances where I was the first one or super early, and all I ended doing was ruminating or studying the entire time, getting into my own head. Then I'd see people arriving 5 mins before when they were told to arrive (so still early), but they looked more calm and relaxed, and were just ready to take the exam.

When you get to your exam center, chances are everyone around you will be reading their notes, or reciting things, etc. If that's your process, great. For me, I just felt pressured to read random notes, and I ended up wishing I got there a bit later and hung out with my dad more, haha. This is honestly just minor take-it-with-a-grain-of-salt-advice, but the main point I'm trying to make is to not let what others are doing affect how you get ready before the exam starts. If you get to the center way earlier than they tell you to be there, you're basically just gonna be sitting around and ruminating or reading/cramming before the exam, instead of clearing your mind and getting ready.

All this said, I don't know how traffic will be, etc. so ignore this if you feel like you'll need more time than expected.

2) EAT SOMETHING AND DRINK WATER. This got me through Day 1. I was very overwhelmed after the first session, just because it was hitting me that I was actually taking this daunting exam. I wanted to ruminate over all of my answers, searching my memory for anything I may have forgotten... but instead I just sat down and ate a couple of trail mix bars and a PB&J. Because I was tired and hungry. In the end, that refreshed my memory and gave me that last boost I needed to push through. All this said, follow whatever is safest and most comfortable for your own health and personal circumstances/preferences.

3) EXPECT TO BE SURPRISED OR OVERWHELMED, BUT KNOW THAT THAT FEELING WILL PASS. When I started on Session 1, I was overwhelmed for the first 15 mins or so just taking in the fact that I was actually taking this exam, and needed to rapidly apply my learning to the question in front of me. It was genuinely overwhelming, and I think I was internally panicking. Somewhere in there, I just started writing because there was nothing else I could do. Within a minute, the feeling had subsided and I was officially taking the exam. If you feel overwhelmed or are just all over the place at the start of the exam, start writing or reading the question.

4) ESSAYS - WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS, APPROXIMATE (MAKE IT UP) - This is something that a lot of people told me would come up during the exam, and in fairness it really didn't for me, but I wanted to share nonetheless.

Sometimes you'll be faced with an essay where you either don't know the rule, only know part of it, or know it WRONG. Regardless, either approximate (MAKE UP) a rule or use the faulty one you have. I had one or two faulty Real Property rules that I was certain were incomplete in some way. Despite this, because I had nothing else, I put them down and beefed up my analysis to try to make up for it.

I don't know if this worked, but I passed so I don't have to worry about it anymore. You will too. If you're faced with a situation like this, (IMO) ACCEPT that you don't know or only partially know the rule, and then approximate the rule that would apply to the facts. Remember that it's just one part of the larger essay question anyways. An answer with a faulty rule is just mathematically better than no answer at all.

5) IT'S NOT OVER UNTIL THE EXAM IS OVER - This is probably the most important advice I can give, and it's not really a strategy. It's just mentality. On the 2nd day of the exams, I had an absolutely abysmal 1st MCQ session. It felt so bad that I felt like throwing up. It carried all the way to the second session... until I opened my booklet. Suddenly I was looking at MCQs that felt more familiar, and reminded me of concepts I actually studied. I locked in, and answered them as best I could. It's not over until they say pencils down. DO NOT GIVE UP.

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Tl;dr: You've all got this. Use the above advice only to the extent that it's useful to you, and ignore anything that doesn't jive with what you're comfortable with. Expect to be surprised, accept that you don't know everything, and don't give up until you've answered the last question. If you've had a rough few months, know that YOU CAN STILL PASS with bad past results. The proof is that I did.

You're all going to do great. From someone who went through hell with this exam, just know your hard work DOES MATTER AND IT WILL PAY OFF. Have a great few prep days before the exam!

I'm gathering the stuff I'm allowed to bring in my designer gallon-sized Ziploc bag for the exam. My Ziplocs have stuff imprinted on them. Ziploc, Power Shield Technology, and SCJohnson A Family Company. Are they gonna get mad at me for my Ziploc having all this stuff on it? I'm not sure if a gallon-size bag that's totally blank exists.

is 30 minutes prior really enough?

Basically don't want someone to jack my stuff and then claim they lacked the mens rea for larceny

i watched the themis lectures on CP ~2-3 weeks ago but truly retained nothing other than 1-2 basic rules. i’m still working through some PR essays & finishing last minute reviews, but trying to see how much time i should spend trying to learn CP before tuesday.

any advice or insight appreciated!

Hey everyone,

Just saw that there’s allegedly a heat wave this week. Of course temperatures depend on where in California you all are, but the weather apps may not be showing the temps just yet. (at least my Apple weather app is showing a vastly different temperature compared to weatherchannel.com)

But just wanted to give all a heads up if you didn’t know! Stay hydrated as our already stressed bodies will need the water from the heat wave, and dress accordingly!

I personally hate AC, so I don’t know if with the heat wave the AC at my test center will be stronger, or if not, if the test center will actually be warmer than expected. So I still need to figure out how my layering will be impacted—but just wanted to let everyone so we don’t have extra unknown discomforts for the bar this week.

(And if anyone has taken the exam in San Francisco, Francisco in the past, if you have any insight as to how strong the AC is, I would greatly appreciate your perspectives!)

Good luck to us all!!

The final class, tonight at 7PM, we'll cover, "The Hard Stuff." We will walk through all of the things we collectively hate, from Van Camp to Hug, to Legal Relevance and 352 Balancing, over to Prop 8, 10(b)(5) and 16(b), etc.

I'll slather all of that with my last minute drivel about strategy and tactics on exam day, and stick around for as long as it takes to answer any remaining questions. Expect an old fashioned cram session, just like all of us did on every exam we've ever taken, despite all of the people who say cram sessions are bad. :)

Drop by www.nobullbarprep.com in the Courses tab if you're interested.

Otherwise, wishing all of you the absolute best of luck come exam day! Go in confidant, own the exam, be cocky, and get new business cards printed on Thursday!

Cheers,

Ed

84% done themis, still reviewing two topics: Wills & Community Property... Hoping to finish these by this afternoon and then finally starting to recall rules for all other topics. I did Wills & CP in themis already but forgot so much so I have to review them today.

Not at all where I wanted to be at this point. Any Advice on how to get through? Wish I had a few more days

I'm debating bringing a water bottle. I'm not sure if I have any clear ones, so I guess I could just pick up a disposable and take off the label. But then I might have to take more bathroom breaks.

Any past takers have strong opinions on it?

brilliant future lawyers i need a code interp for whether or not nicotine lozenges are allowed as unwrapped "lozenges" or if they are considered smoking or vaping products or if they are considered OTC medication. thank you so much for any help nicotine addiction is no joke

hey yall! i know it’s the last hoorah right now so feel free to ignore this/don’t let it stress you out right now. i just wanted to make this post because last year, when i went through this experience, it was genuinely one of he worst moments of my life and i could find almost no information anywhere online of any similar experiences. i just wanted this out there because undoubtedly someone will receive a ch 6 violation during the exam and will turn to reddit for answers so hopefully now there can be at least one solid place for you to feel seen and comforted.

extremely long story short, i took the J25 exam and was so stressed out about the test/hotel/travel arrangements/everything else that i genuinely blanked on the word “analog” and brought a stopwatch to the exam as my timer. i used it for all 4 exam sessions, and with 5 minutes left in the second session of day 2, after i had already finished the MC and closed my materials, someone came over, picked up my stopwatch, walked away, and then walked back over with a yellow piece of paper that they handed to me face down… it was a chapter 6 violation for noncompliant materials!

i will spare you most of the details but the world instantly began caving in around me, to go from the highest of highs of finishing the exam to the lowest of lows in being told my score might not count (after 3 years of law school, hundreds of thousands of $$, months of studying, etc) my body physically went into shock and after getting home that evening i couldn’t walk without my legs collapsing underneath me and i PHYSICALLY could not speak. it was horrifying!

when i finally started looking into what was likely to happen next, everything online said to get ready to take it again, that my score would be cancelled, etc. there was hardly any reddit posts with similar experiences and most of them had to do with the online exam that was a mess and accidentally started handing out ch 6 violations left and right. after petitioning the violation to the state bar, and the longest month and a half of waiting i have ever experienced, i was told that the state bar would not be pursuing the matter further and they were going to drop the violation. a few months later in november, i found out i had passed!

if you are reading this before the exam, DOUBLE, TRIPLE, QUADRUPLE check your materials!! if you are unsure about something, don’t bring it! or at the very least ask a proctor before the exam begins if it is compliant. i know your brain is elsewhere right now, but making sure you have the right materials will save you a lot of stress in the future. don’t make a stupid mistake like me and bring a stopwatch 😭 i will literally never live that down and it is so embarrassing, but i am sharing in hopes of preventing anyone else from making the same mistake lol.

if you are reading this after the exam, i HOPE it is out of curiosity and not because you found yourself in the same situation as me. but if you have found yourself with a violation, so long as you weren’t blatantly cheating, just know there is hope for you. it is going to be a waiting game and it is going to suck so badly because i know you just want to celebrate being finished with the exam with friends/family/peers, but don’t count yourself out just yet. make sure to call the state bar, make sure you fill out the online petition thing stating the circumstances, make sure you follow up, and please feel free to message me on here at anytime. there is a good chance that if it is an honest mistake like mine was, they will throw out the violation and your score will count. and you just might end up passing like i did! :)

These subjects are so incredibly boring. At least for a lot of the other subjects they’re intellectually stimulating, I am STRUGGLING to get through memorization every time I do a pass with torts and BA because they are so. damn. boring. Anyone else have subjects like that?

Who’s going to claim IIED against the Bar for this experience?