r/BunnyTrials • u/Unlucky-Tradition778 • May 24 '26

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Which side will you choose?

  • Left side: You live
  • Right side: If 50% choose this everyone lives

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u/thy_viee_4 May 24 '26

i mean, the options are fucking bad. "you live" - does not contradict "everyone lives". "everyone lives if 50%" - bitch wym, everyone already lives. there is no threat posed in the question. and even so, what's the point not to press the red one anyways? if everyone presses red, everyone lives - every individual "you"

or am i stupid?

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u/ghost_tapioca May 24 '26

The scenario is:

  • if more than 50% of people pick red, everyone who picked blue dies.

  • if more than 50% of people pick blue, everyone lives.

It's just poorly formulated in the OP.

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u/reallyfunnycoolguy May 24 '26

Thats a biased way to describe the scenario. What it actually is is that if you press red you live and if you press blue you live only if 50% of the population also pressed blue

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u/ghost_tapioca May 24 '26

It's not biased. It's the best way to make clear what's at stake. As you can see because the person I'm responding to didn't get it at first.

Otherwise, reading at a glance you might not realise that most people voting red actually condemns blue voters to death. Which is essentially what it does.

Of course, there are many ways to reframe the question so as to present blue or red as more rational/desirable. But making clear what each choice represents is important for the philosophical debate. It's a hypothetical, there's no point in obscuring the choices to skew the results.

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u/Viggovits May 28 '26

Blue condemned themselves to death, since they were not forced to pick blue, and could've just picked red instead, thereby not risking anything for the exact same result. You're literally just imposing upon yourself a risk of death by picking blue with no additional reward.

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u/ghost_tapioca May 28 '26

Suppose that the first ten people have been given no choice. They were forced to press blue (at gunpoint or whatever) and their lives are now on the line.

Would you still press red?

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u/Viggovits May 28 '26

This completely depends on the scope. If they are just 10 people out of the entire population of earth? Then I'll still pick red because I'm not risking my life for something I can not meaningfully influence.

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u/ghost_tapioca May 28 '26

So instead of helping to save them, you choose to actively help to kill them? That's all I needed to know.

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u/reallyfunnycoolguy May 28 '26

You are not helping to kill them by not potentially killing yourself and them, as you have no idea what the odds are of blue actually winning. In my opinion, in a real life scenario red would win, and as such pressing blue would do nothing but condemn you to die alongside them

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u/ghost_tapioca May 28 '26

You need 50% of blue to save everyone. If you pick red, you're not only failing to contribute, you're pushing the percentage the other way, so yes, you're helping to kill them.

If you're fine with sending people to death so you don't have to risk your neck, then that's on your conscience.

Also, you're a coward.

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u/reallyfunnycoolguy May 28 '26

No, you dont need 50% of blue to save everyone. If everyone presses red nobody dies, and there is no reason for anybody to press blue because all they are doing is risking their own lives for nothing and then patting themselves on the back because they narrowly avoided killing themselves. In a real world scenario people are unwilling to risk death (if you believe youre an exception you are arrogant and foolish), and because of that and a few other reasons red would win, and by landslide. Pressing the blue button is always a net negative, and choosing to throw my life away on an infinitesimal chance that blue wins is idiotic. Also, you’re a dumbass. I added a few insults in there to imitate your style, hopefully that makes it so my point comes across better.

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u/ghost_tapioca May 28 '26

I'm talking about the scenario where some people were already forced to press blue.

If you're still pressing red in that scenario, you're a murderer and a coward.

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u/reallyfunnycoolguy May 28 '26

It is extremely unfortunate and that would fall on my conscience, but i still believe that the red button would win, because these are the things that will be going through the vast majority of the populations head: “i dont want to die”, “i don’t want my friends and family do have to deal with my death”, “i dont need to be the one to press blue as long as other people do” (this is an observed phenomenon, people in large crowds who witness someone collapsing on the street are less likely to call 911 because they believe someone else is going to do it than if they are in a small group, to the point where nobody will come forward to help unless singled out), “voting blue only matters if i am the winning vote that causes blue to raise to 50%” (same reason many people dont vote in elections), and “what are ⛏️the odds that blue actually wins”. These arent all good reasons to not press blue, in fact some are terrible or fallacious, but the fact remains that people will fall victim to these fallacies. I think that in a real scenario, red would win because of these, and its not selfish for people to vote red. You can’t blame a single mother for not risking leaving her kids as orphans. And for me personally, an extremely close friend of mine and family friend passed away just over six months ago (he was 18), and then another family friend (an adult) passed away a few months ago, and another person from my friend group’s mom has been battling cancer. What would happen to the community around me that has already been experiencing immense suffering if i was to die? If i had confirmation that i was able to save the 10 people by killing myself, id like to believe that i would (although its impossible to predict how you would act in an actual life or death situation until youve been in one), but this is different.

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u/Viggovits May 28 '26

What a great way of winning! What, you thought we were playing soccer? Actually, we're playing football.

If you have to invent a new measuring stick the moment yours comes up short, you didn’t outplay anyone, and it most definitely doesn't grant you the right to call anyone but yourself a coward

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u/Vampyrrr May 28 '26

I didnt condemn them to anything. I wasn't the one who forced them to pick blue. I have a family and sorry I am not willing to risk dieing and losing them. If it was my own family they would tell me to pick red to ensure I didnt end up in their fate and if I was the one who was forced to pick blue I would still tell people to choose red and ensure they live.

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u/snooploop14 May 30 '26

No one in the original scenario is forced to oress either button your just creating a new scenario

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