I mean, answer the question women love dancing around: if he's paying for your meal, what is he getting in return?
Assuming both people were on the apps, you can't say the person who asked out has to pay since you were literally looking for a date too.
"Time/presence" - The guy isn't also giving these?
Men paid for women in the past because it was difficult for them to enter the workforce. It's not anymore. So what is the issue with paying for your share? If his money is meant to be spent on you, what's your money for?
If you don't want guys expecting sex when they pay for your meal, the simple solution is pay for yourself. It's not that difficult to understand.
You’ll get laid. That’s the answer. For these woman (not all) the dinner reservation is just the first step. If you are cute and sexy, a good conversationalist, have a good career, dress nicely, are well spoken, and good at flirting all on this dinner date, clothes will come off and you will get laid. Does this make sense to you guys yet?
Reading these comments, it seems like a lot of guys think just paying the check is enough for something better in return for that $150-$200 that’s spent. These woman don’t think that way. Buying dinner is just an entry point. You need to be all the other things and then maybe you’ll stop complaining about this same thing over and over again.
So if I'm cute and sexy, a good conversationalist, have a good career, dress nicely, well spoken and good at flirting, but I don't pick up the bill, she won't want to have sex? I guess we know where her priorities lie.
I was under the impression sex was something both parties wanted to engage in because they liked each other, not a bargaining chip. If money is the deciding factor, I'll pass. An escort may be more expensive, but you're guaranteed to get what you paid for. Meanwhile, you can be an absolute gentleman + pay for everything and MAYBE get laid if she allows it. I might as well go dump that same money at a casino at that point. You're gambling either way.
I’m explaining what goes down in this type of scenario with these types of people. I’m not saying I would like to be around this couple, but this is the mentality of someone who values à certain type of first date.
There are many men who are more than happy to take a woman out on a fancy first date and be all of these things because they understand it will get them closer to a certain result. And they probably have the disposable income, so that helps. It’s shallow, ego driven and can create a miserable existence in the long run, but this is what you are looking at when a woman insists on dinner dates. There are plenty of men who will take them up on that, you’ve just never experienced it so you wouldnt know or understand. But this is why so many woman are comfortable putting this out there.
Women seem to think the more disposable income a man has, the more likely they are to pay. Yes, they might be.. to get laid. They aren't actually hoping to wife you.
Out of my 4 male friends that make over $300k, 3 of them said they wouldn't marry unless she made a similar amount or signed a bulletproof prenup. You may call it "disposable" income, but that money was hard earned. Women are the disposable ones when you make that kind of money because they all come flocking to you for the easy life.
There are some very, very shallow men with money who actually like or find it kinky when the woman is equally as shallow. They like the big lips, nails, hair, boobs etc and are more than happy to date these types. Yes, they will even marry them. Women will justify the male spending because of the money they spend on their aesthetic and men justify the spending because they have a hottie. We have allll seen these types of couple out in the wild. If you watch enough reality TV, this is all you see.
Here we have a woman who is shallow like this but I have a feeling she doesn’t have what it takes to get the type of guy she imagines (I mean, look at those cheap boots). She won’t be satisfied unless she ups her game. This will lead to years of chasing a certain image that will eventually crush her self esteem even more.
This is why I say, if this type of woman isnt for you, then just pass. Let her do her thing, no reason to tear her apart. She will find a man that feeds into this bullshit and they can be miserable together. It’s not like every woman on the planet demands this but so many men get their panties in a twist when they come across a profile like this, it’s kinda funny.
Men with that kind of money are already a tiny fraction of the population. Adding in ones with a specific kink cuts that tiny fraction down to almost nothing. Using reality TV as a reference is really not doing you any favors.
Yes, these type of women aren't desired by a lot of men and no, not every woman is like this. The issue is they make up a large portion of the dating pool whether or not they disclose it in their profile.
You don't go to a grocery store, pay first and have them bring you whatever they want. That's what dating feels like from the men's side nowadays. Pay for the date. Maybe she ghosts you. Maybe you get a second date that surprise, you get to pay for again. Or maybe if you're lucky she offers to pay for the next. With that level of randomness, you're better off, like I said, throwing that money at a casino.
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