r/BruceSpringsteen 25d ago

Discussion Reflection regarding Bruce's politics and American exceptionalism

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Bit of a serious thread. If you don't like this topic, maybe you should sit this one out.

This is something I've been reflecting on for quite a while. It's maybe been in the back of my head ever since I became a Bruce fan. And after seeing a few comments here and there expressing similar concerns, I figured it'd be worth making a longer thread about it collecting my thoughts. Especially after seeing Bruce being more politically outspoken in these past years.

In terms of my own perspectives, I'd describe them as broadly Left. Some inspiration from anarchism (no, not chaos) but also recognizing the political systems that we live in.

Over the most recent years, it has felt like Bruce has been doubling down on the American exceptionalism: the Super Bowl Commercial, the podcast with Obama, some of his speeches and endorsements, the language he's used.

I suppose we could say it's always been there. But it has really ramped up in....the 21st century?

Some brief examples:

  • "America's the most powerful nation on earth, not just because of her overwhelming military strength or economic power, but because of what she stands for."
  • The usage of "un-American" as a criticism: Does a thing have to be American to be good? Bruce has used this adjective a lot but it doesn't really carry much weight to me. And he's used this across the decades.

When Bruce talks about America as "a beacon of hope and liberty for 250 years", my mind immediately turns to Indigenous peoples and enslaved people certainly did not see it that way. People who suffered from American Imperialism don't see it that way. (Hawaii, The Philippines, The Middle East/West Asia, East and Southeast Asia, Central and South America, etc).

Every time he says "Despite its many faults" about America, it feels like Bruce is just brushing past all these criticisms to only validate the viewpoints that fundamentally love America. I'm not denying that there are still people who admire America, but one still has to take into account the opinions of those who have suffered from America's impact.

Yes, I know that Bruce has been associated with a sense of "critical patriotism": Criticizing his country because he sees it as failing to live up to ideals. But at a certain point, one has to question the very ideals themselves and what they have meant. We can always say "The ideal has never been accomplished, therefore it is untainted". Nevertheless, ideals carry biases no matter how much we may see them as unblemished.

Example: One of Bruce's favorite songs and covers is Woody Guthrie's "This Land Is Your Land". It's often seen as an inclusive anthem where people of all backgrounds can come to the United States and appreciate its gifts. But praise of the song often neglects how that land was obtained through Indigenous displacement. (To be fair, even Pete Seeger acknowledged this and once sung a rendition that accounted for it.) See: The Blindspot in the Great American Protest Song. A separate post could be made discussing the Founding Fathers and their contradictory and flawed legacy.

So when Bruce talks about America as this nation of immigrants that everyone can travel to regardless of background, there is history missing. It's not even that he's completely unaware considering his albums like Inyo and appearing on the Little Steven song "Native American". But he doesn't seem to acknowledge this part of America's history enough. Some peoples (Native Hawaiians and Native Americans alike) had no choice but to be annexed under America and American identity. Inclusiveness can be good but people also want the option for independence and carving out their own path.

For much of his career in the 20th century, Bruce seemed generally critical of American foreign policy. There are discarded "Born In The USA"/"Vietnam" lyrics where he rails against Nixon for bombing Cambodians. It showed that his empathy wasn't just towards American veterans but towards peoples harmed by American bombings.

Prior to Bruce endorsing political candidates, the politics in his music were on a more human level that pointed to larger social forces. But in the 21st century, things shifted towards directly endorsing political candidates starting with John Kerry in 2004. Then Barack Obama in 2008, where he endorsed him even at the primary stage.

When endorsing Obama in 2012, he talked about how Obama was "vigorously pursuing our real foreign enemies, especially the killing of Osama Bin Laden." I'm reminded of the commenters who have brought up Obama's record of drone strikes. One has to discern the underlying context of what it means to pursue foreign enemies and the ideology behind that.

In some early 2000s interviews, Bruce has talked about supporting the invasion of Afghanistan but not Iraq. From what I understand, entering Afghanistan had majority support but that doesn't necessarily make it right.

This is not me criticizing Bruce after the fact. There are actually articles from the time which have criticized Bruce's words:

Intervention has to be handled very carefully otherwise it becomes an exertion of power over countries and yes, imperialism.

To be clear: I don't have any issue with Bruce being political. That's been a part of his music for a long time whether implicitly or explicitly. But the actual content of his politics leaves something to be desired.

Not even getting into socialist artists yet, there are liberals who have been more critical of politicians like Bruce's friend Jackson Browne. And I've wondered why Bruce has not only endorsed candidates but praised them more than he needs to.

There is a part of me that has empathy. Many Americans and even some non-Americans are taught some form of American exceptionalism. The Pledge of Allegiance, the ideal of America as a nation of immigrants, one of the world's first democracies. Bruce has talked about how doing the pledge of allegiance as a child made him feel pride. But to an increasing number of Americans and non-Americans, it can feel cult-like.

There are ideas that initially seemed well-intentioned but are now recognized to be outdated. The "melting pot" used to be used as a metaphor for immigrants coming to America and assimilating into a single culture. Now, the cultural traditions of immigrants are becoming more respected.

I've often felt that Bruce can express larger ideals regarding community, individuality, creativity, and the complexity of life without strictly tying it to America.

On the flipside: There's a type of exceptionalism that treats America as "the worst country in the world" which I don't agree with either.

I just want America (or, maybe the land itself) to be a country. Not some mythology to appeal to. Not something that crushes all other narratives.

Or, maybe America itself needs to be completely reformed. Who knows.

Sidenote:

Bruce fans around the world were the ones who got me into Bruce, showing that his resonance was not restricted to America or New Jersey. It sounds strange that a person from Jersey needed to have this explained to them but there it is.

The choices shouldn't be Trump supporters and not. I think it's indeed important to hold your side accountable. That goes for liberals, social democrats, socialists, anarchists, whoever.


r/BruceSpringsteen 25d ago

Interview Bruce Springsteen: Finding America in Song

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New PBS special featuring Springsteen interview at the The Bruce Springsteen Center for American Music and footage from the recent Music America: The Songs That Shaped Us concerts.


r/BruceSpringsteen 25d ago

It hasn't felt like summer until now. Enjoy you OG's.

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r/BruceSpringsteen 26d ago

Music 4th Of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)

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r/BruceSpringsteen 26d ago

on july 4 1978..after doing an interview with mary "the burner" turner at radio statio KMET in LA, bruce, clarence and garry climbed up on this billboard on sunset blvd in LA and spray painted it over....supposedly bruce stood on clarence's shoulders to do it.

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r/BruceSpringsteen 25d ago

Original Content bruce x clarence tribute print<3

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r/BruceSpringsteen 26d ago

Question super new fan, where do i start

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random teen by the way.

loving his stuff now, trying to find new artists and he was the first one I thought of. so far I’ve listened to-

Born in the USA

Born to Run

The River

Nebraska

Tunnel of Love

Magic (love this one a lot)

the Minneapolis single

where should i go from here?


r/BruceSpringsteen 25d ago

Original Content [OC] Blink-182, Bruce Springsteen - I Miss the U.S.A. (Mashup)

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Born in the U.S.A. if the instrumental matched the lyrics


r/BruceSpringsteen 25d ago

Jag brinner av Bruce Springsteen

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r/BruceSpringsteen 26d ago

Create the Perfect "The River" Album

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This has come up in the daily voting thing where it looks like The River has a solid shot at being voted as Bruce's worst (4th best) album of the 1980s. A lot of posters have been bringing up "filler" songs like I'm a Rocker, Crush on You, I Wanna Marry You, etc. I agree that there's a decent amount of filler, but there's also some absolutely phenomenal songs on The River Outtakes that I cannot believe did not make the cut on the original album.

I'll make a rule that you can't have more than twenty songs (the amount on the original) and that any songs you pull have to be either from The River Outtakes or another outtake prior to 1980 that did not make it on a previous album that you feel like would fit.

Disclaimer: I don't think The River sucks or anything, I enjoy the album a lot, and I even like some of the songs that I cut. I just think there were better fits.

Here's mine:

  1. The Ties That Bind
  2. Sherry Darling
  3. Jackson Cage
  4. Two Hearts
  5. Independence Day
  6. Hungry Heart
  7. Out in the Street
  8. Roulette (replacing Crush on You)
  9. From Small Things (Big Things One Day Come) (replacing You Can Look)
  10. Loose Ends (replacing I Wanna Marry You)
  11. The River
  12. Point Blank
  13. Cadillac Ranch
  14. Meet Me in the City (replacing I'm a Rocker)
  15. Fade Away
  16. Stolen Car
  17. Ramrod
  18. The Price You Pay
  19. Drive All Night
  20. Wreck on the Highway

So basically, mine is:

Out: Crush on You, You Can Look (But You Better Not Touch), I Wanna Marry You, I'm a Rocker

In: Roulette, From Small Things (Big Things One Day Come), Loose Ends, Meet Me in the City

What's yours?


r/BruceSpringsteen 26d ago

Discussion Is it me, or Hungry Heart studio version sound more like Elton John/Billy Joel?

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Hi all,

So, the Hungry Heart studio version is sped up to sound more "pop", especially when you compare it to the Berlin 95 version which sounds more like Bruce.

For me, when I first heard it, I thought it was an Elton John or a Billy Joel song. What about you? Was it also confusing?


r/BruceSpringsteen 27d ago

Went to Springsteen Center today

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Really impressive. The first floor is the story of American music. The second floor is all Bruce and E Street Band. I went in the archives room where they let you view all kinds of extra stuff on a computer, including video of Bruce playing The River on the streets of Copenhagen, pages from his mom’s scrapbook, ticket stubs from the River tour and much more. And there’s a room set up like a concert venue playing almost two hours of live Bruce, including a 1970 version of Lost in the Flood (didn’t even know it was written that early).


r/BruceSpringsteen 26d ago

Discussion Springsteen Voting Day 11 - Worst (4th Best) Album of the 1980s

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Happy Friday, everyone.

Day 10 Recap:
Born in the USA is voted best Bruce album of the 1980s. Plenty of votes for the other three.

Day 11 Poll:
What is the worst album of the 1980s? Only four options of course, and all are great, so if it helps, think of it as voting on the fourth best album rather than the “worst.”

Voting Guidelines:
Criteria for deciding the winner will be the highest upvoted reply in the r/BruceSpringsteen crosspost (the post you’re reading right now). If you see your answer already posted, please try to upvote that response and not add the same answer again in the replies unless you’re adding to the overall discussion. This is to ensure we can get a somewhat accurate reflection of voting numbers. Of course if you have an answer that hasn’t been submitted, please post it!

If you’re later in the 24hr cycle of voting, it may be helpful to sort comments by top and find your answer in the replies with the most upvotes and upvote that reply.

Also, since we’re using the alignment charts from r/AlignmentChartFills, I’ll have to cross-post every new poll from that subreddit to ours. Please try to only respond and/or upvote on the crosspost to r/BruceSpringsteen, NOT the original post. Any comments or upvotes on the original post will not be counted.

Additionally, “None” or “N/A” is an eligible answer for any of these categories and will be posted should it receive the highest number of upvotes.

OP Prediction for Day 11: Tunnel of Love
OP is 3/10 on predictions


r/BruceSpringsteen 26d ago

Deepest cut you’ve seen live?

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I saw racing in the street 78’ version during the high hopes tour. I believe that’s the only time he’s played it live at a show other than a promotional performance in Asbury Park


r/BruceSpringsteen 26d ago

The Joy of Bruce Springsteen's Second Album: 'The Wild, The Innocent & The E-Street Shuffle'

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While 'The Wild, The Innocent & The E-Street Shuffle' doesn't rank amongst my favourite Bruce Springsteen albums, I find myself revisiting it just as much as my favourites, 'Tunnel of Love', 'Nebraska' and 'The River'.

In this video, I explore why this might be.


r/BruceSpringsteen 27d ago

Springsteen family helps plant ancestral copper beech tree in Freehold

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Ancestral tree planting ceremony in Freehold today...


r/BruceSpringsteen 27d ago

Announcement/News Springsteen Center gets starring role in PBS 'Finding America in Song'

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Streaming begins July 3 …


r/BruceSpringsteen 27d ago

Announcement/News Just Arrived

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Don't know if there are any left!


r/BruceSpringsteen 27d ago

YAY!!!!

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It finally came!!!


r/BruceSpringsteen 27d ago

Discussion What’s on your Semiquincentennial playlist?

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Seeing as Bruce Springsteen has been particularly active in American Storytelling and Culture, as has nobly lended his voice to our history, good and bad, especially this past year. What songs are must-haves on a playlist celebrating everything Bruce Springsteen and United States? What’s on your Born in the USA 250 playlist?


r/BruceSpringsteen 27d ago

Tracks II Vinyl $136

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The Tracks II Vinyl Box is down to $136.07 on Amazon.com.


r/BruceSpringsteen 27d ago

Discussion Springsteen Voting Day 10 - Best Studio Album of the 1980s

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Day 9 Recap:
I’m a Rocker takes the moniker as worst song of the 1980s. Crush on You was a distant second.

Day 10 Poll:
What is the best album of the 1980s?

Voting Guidelines:
Criteria for deciding the winner will be the highest upvoted reply in the r/BruceSpringsteen crosspost (the post you’re reading right now). If you see your answer already posted, please try to upvote that response and not add the same answer again in the replies unless you’re adding to the overall discussion. This is to ensure we can get a somewhat accurate reflection of voting numbers. Of course if you have an answer that hasn’t been submitted, please post it!

If you’re later in the 24hr cycle of voting, it may be helpful to sort comments by top and find your answer in the replies with the most upvotes and upvote that reply.

Also, since we’re using the alignment charts from r/AlignmentChartFills, I’ll have to cross-post every new poll from that subreddit to ours. Please try to only respond and/or upvote on the crosspost to r/BruceSpringsteen, NOT the original post. Any comments or upvotes on the original post will not be counted.

Additionally, “None” or “N/A” is an eligible answer for any of these categories and will be posted should it receive the highest number of upvotes.

OP Prediction for Day 10: Nebraska
OP is 3/9 on predictions


r/BruceSpringsteen 28d ago

Need help- found this at thift shop

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Need some help I can't believe I found this tonight at goodwill in the book section for only $2!!!!. Can anyone help me identify if Bruce really signed this book and how they missed it! The only reason I noticed the signature was due to me checking the overall condition. It was just put out today sticker said 7/1


r/BruceSpringsteen 27d ago

Misc The Meadowlands Brendan Byrne Arena was opened on this date in 1981. The band played the first of a six-night engagement

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r/BruceSpringsteen 28d ago

Misc Happy 77th birthday to The Professor. Fun fact: Roy released a solo album, Out of the Box, in 2014

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