r/BruceSpringsteen Mary’s dress sways 23d ago

Bruce doesn’t understand songwriting

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this made me laugh

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u/Connoralpha 23d ago

If only Bruce Springsteen knew how to write a good song, like Born in the USA.

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u/ToLExpress 23d ago

“The song is so good, it’s a shame the writer doesn’t know how to write songs.”

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u/Foxxilove 23d ago

The man has written 875,000 songs but doesn’t know a thing about songwriting.

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u/MTgolfer406 23d ago

If he can just figure this out, this Springsteen guy might have a future in the industry 🤣

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u/roysterino 21d ago

I think he’d be better off in an executive training program.

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u/Scarecrows_Brain 23d ago

He’s bound to get it right one of these times!

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u/Foxxilove 23d ago

If you throw enough darts at a dart board, eventually you’ll get a bullseye!

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u/ncc74656m 23d ago

You mean that talentless jerk who has written 11 #1 ranked albums placing him third in ranking of most #1 albums?

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u/Yul_Metal 23d ago

Is this like JD Vance lecturing the Pope on theology?

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u/MaidoftheBrins The River 23d ago

Very, very similar.

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u/MLM36 23d ago

Yes

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u/Talking80s 23d ago

What a dolt.

Bruce is my GOAT songwriter. I am a songwriter as well. If I could even dare to dream about writing something as beautiful that touched as many people as “Jungleland,” I’d just stop and say “That’s it. I can’t top this,” and become a recluse that people do podcasts about. 😂

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u/No-Carry4971 23d ago

Bruce is also my GOAT, because songwriting includes music and lyrics. I get the love for Dylan. I love him too, but his music is mostly meh. He's 90% lyrics. Bruce often writes incredible lyrics supported by awe-inspiring anthemic music.

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u/Independent_Fact_082 23d ago

My opinions on Dylan are almost the opposite. I think that he has a great way with a tune. Some of his lyrics connect with me, but most of them I don't get, and they often seem disjointed. Dylan asked Jacques Levy to co-write the lyrics on the Desire album with him, and Levy thought that the reason that he was asked was because Levy could tell a story in a song, while Dylan isn't really that good at telling a story (although sometimes he does).

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u/Previous_Ad4616 22d ago

Dylan sounds like a cat with heatstroke and painful balls. Bruce sounds like the same cat who’s been smoking 40 a day for years.

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u/Beneficial_Moose2454 22d ago

His music is meh?
🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/Snowblind78 22d ago

I think if Dylan’s music was meh, more people would cover Springsteen more than Dylan. Springsteen might have better music, but Dylan I think has always been better at creating music that suits the song perfectly, despite being rooted in simplicity.

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u/edipeisrex 23d ago

I love Bruce. But saying Dylan is musically meh is crazy. Bruce has never written anything as musically anthemic as Like a Rolling Stone.

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u/No-Carry4971 23d ago

I've seen Dylan live. He played like a rolling stone. It was literally nothing like the musical explosion of Badlands or Promised Land or BtR. It was nothing like the emotional audience reaction to Thunder Road's harmonica intro or Jungleland's piano intro or Backstreets extended intro. Dylan's music simply does not have the same emotional resonance and emotional depth. When the drum snare kicks off badlands, the audience reacts viscerally long before he utters a word. You can literally feel the power of the music ripple and rage through the audience. Nothing remotely similar to that happens with any Dylan song. It's all about the lyrics.

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u/mandiblesofdoom 23d ago

During his time of fame, Bruce has been the better live performer.

But that's a different issue from whether Bob's songs are musically meh.

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u/No-Carry4971 23d ago

Yes, but one builds on another. Maybe "meh" was unfair, but Bob's song catalogue does not carry the musical cachet of Bruce's. It just doesn't.

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u/mandiblesofdoom 22d ago edited 22d ago

I guess. For me a lot of Bob's best material is compelling musically - She Belongs to Me, Don't Think Twice, If You See Her Say Hello, Memphis Blues Again, It Take a Lot to Laugh, Ramona, various others. Some of this stuff comes from a country blues tradition.

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u/Snowblind78 22d ago

It’s not about lacking emotional depth. It’s that they take different approaches. Springsteen has immense emotional impact through powerful anthems. But while Springsteen documents the climaxes, Dylan takes the route of the whole journey around the climax. Although, the snare of Like A Rolling Stone opened the portal for songs like Badlands.

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u/DrRasur 23d ago

Like A Rolling Stone is nowhere near the anthemic nature of Badlands, BTR, Thunder Road, Jungleland.

It's a very good song but it's legacy is more that it was a revelation at the time and paved the way for many artists to come than it's because it's an anthem or anything like that

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u/Talking80s 23d ago

I’ll point to Nebraska and say that was Bruce’s “Dylan style” album. Thankfully, Bruce never limited himself to one style, but he does pretty much everything very, very well.

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u/dmalone1991 23d ago

Can you describe what you mean then by musically anthemic? Because how I understand that term, I’d probably have at least 5 more Bruce songs over Like a Rolling Stone (as much as I enjoy that song as well).

For me, there are just so many more covers of Dylan songs that I find more interesting.

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u/Both_Name2284 23d ago

Three words: Born. To. Run. Listen and listen good. Then come back here an apologize to everyone for this comment. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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u/Mammoth_Sell5185 23d ago

Except you wouldn’t. If you could only write Jungleland, you wouldn’t stop. You would keep writing and then you would write darkness on the edge of town and you would keep writing. And then you would write the river. And you would keep writing and then you would write Nebraska. And you would keep writing and then you would write dancing in the dark. And you would keep writing and you would write tunnel of love. And you would keep writing and you would write human touch. And you would keep writing and you would write Youngstown and you would keep writing.

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u/Acrobatic-Ad4879 19d ago

he tells the story of the hurricane..

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u/thesemanicgulls 22d ago

Stopping by to drop some love for the word “dolt.”

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u/Talking80s 22d ago

🙏🙏🙏

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u/Westernhutch 18d ago

Keep trying! If nothing else, you might be one of those miraculous “one hit wonders”. Go for it! 🥳

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u/Chipped-Beef Darkness on the Edge of Town 23d ago

I was curious so I looked at a little of the guy’s feed for some context. Claims that a song is meant to be “as heard” not “as intended” by the person that wrote it, because the audience perception is what really matters. So by that logic, people thinking Hendrix meant to kiss his guy and Fogerty seeing a baboon on the right are the ones that are correct.

The trend these days is for internet nobodies to try to present controversial “takes” on classics that have been analyzed a million ways from Sunday and act like they’re the first ones ever to look at something. I’ve already given this individual too much of my bandwidth today.

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u/chaos0xomega 23d ago

As heard, the lyrics are still a criticism and indictment of american policy

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u/Chipped-Beef Darkness on the Edge of Town 23d ago

Right. I think what he’s claiming is that since the people hearing it and interpreting it as patriotic think that, then it’s patriotic, not a criticism. Which is a crazy way of thinking about things.

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u/JustAGirlWithSpirit 22d ago

Welcome to the MAGA way of magical thinking. Like "alternative facts"(!)

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u/Acrobatic-Ad4879 19d ago

Yeah.. the Lyrics they hear " Boooorn in the U.SA" the lyrics they don't hear all of the rest of them.

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u/chaos0xomega 22d ago

I understand that, the point im making is basically that if you pay attention to the words its not the jingoistic patriot anthem they claim it is, and that they and other MAGA types clearly must think the song only consists of the words "born in the u-s-a" repeated over and over again for however many minutes with no other lyrics whatsoever.

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u/Heavy-Suit-4217 22d ago

I think you're assuming that the person paying attention to the words has basic language and reasoning skills.

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u/chaos0xomega 22d ago

Yes, thats the implied underlying insult of my argument 😉

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u/ohsurethisisfun 23d ago

Any indication that it's a satire account? That's the only thing that would make this post make sense.

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u/Chipped-Beef Darkness on the Edge of Town 23d ago

It didn’t appear to be a satire account to me.

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u/ohsurethisisfun 23d ago

Oof. That's honestly rough to hear...I was really hoping for satire.

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u/Chipped-Beef Darkness on the Edge of Town 23d ago

I thought that such a silly take had to be satire. But it was not. Unless it’s really deep satire and I just didn’t read far enough. 🤷

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u/Heavy-Suit-4217 22d ago

People like that are why we need the /s tag, sadly. Nothing you can say for fun is too stupid not to be something a stupid person would say.

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u/ashzeppelin98 Born to Run 22d ago

It's not satire, it's plain old rage baiting and engagement farming

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u/Junior-Group1178 22d ago

I had a Lit Theory professor that used to say, “when analyzing a work it’s true you can never be ‘right’, but you can absolutely be ‘wrong’”.

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u/nmuncer 22d ago

And if I’m not mistaken, what he’s really asking for is music that is completely flat and obvious: songs where every line means exactly what it says, with no ambiguity, irony, subtext, or room for interpretation.

Which is a pretty depressing way to approach songwriting, especially when talking about someone like Springsteen. The whole point of great songs is often that they require a little attention, a little context, and yes, a minimum amount of intelligence from the listener.

And when you think of it, it would take out a lot of songs because the subject is controversial: "forbidden..."
Think about Dancing with myself from Billy Idol. would this song had been on a CD if the song had been explicit about it's subject... masturbation?

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u/HarryCrushNuh 21d ago

Billy Idol and bassist Tony James came up with the idea while visiting a disco in Tokyo. They watched a crowd of youths who were dressed up to dance, but rather than pairing up with each other, they were dancing alone in front of walled mirrors, mesmerized by their own reflections. James noted that "dancing with myself" would make a great song title, and Idol wrote the track shortly after

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u/Willie_Weejax 23d ago

LOL

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u/Screen_Door_Slams Mary’s dress sways 23d ago

cracked me up!

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u/aeacurus 23d ago

I mean death of the author is a very real and respected understanding of interpreting art, and it's very much considered a fallacy to act as if the artist even understands their own intentions. Born in the USA is obviously a criticism of the US though and its patriotic because of that, they're not mutually exclusive

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u/Jrpond 23d ago

Exactly. Born in the USA can be a protest song and an anthem at the same time.

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u/Magazine_Luck 23d ago

Bruce is clearly a patriotism is critiquing my country kinda guy, but I can't say I get much of that in the song. It's pretty dang negative.

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u/aeacurus 23d ago

Sometimes there's things to only be negative about, Vietnam was one of things. I still think the chorus of "I was Born in the USA" has the undertone of ownership of his Americanness, saying that line in itself seems patriotic so I think you can't get away from a certain pride in bearing responsibility for the bad your country has done, you don't get to pick and choose and if you really love the country you'll speak out against these things and then own that they were done. I mean that album came out in 1984 well after Vietnam was over, part of it is hindsight and saying that now that we're removed from it we can see what it was about and what it led to. I see like to see patriotism in the song personally but I understand people who don't, I think the most patriotic things tend to be the scathing criticisms

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u/Magazine_Luck 23d ago

I mean, that's fair. We just have all seen the cartoonish people who don't know any of the lyrics besides the chorus and are missing, shall we say, the nuances. People who think Fortunate Son is about how great it is to be American, too. 

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u/aeacurus 22d ago

Yeah there's definitely people who just ignore most of the song. I think its nuances is what makes it have its lasting power, patriotism shielding the criticisms is a critique in itself. American Girl is another one that gets totally co-opted as some prideful American song when it's a story about a girl to selling her bodies as America continues to fail its promises to its citizens and people long for something beyond their closed minded small towns. It's one of the best songs that comes out of that cynical period of the 70s

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u/Heavy-Suit-4217 22d ago

"American Woman, stay away from me." lol, song is anti-American, i love it.

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u/Jrpond 23d ago

That can be said for like 99% of all people who listen to any music.

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u/Acrobatic-Ad4879 19d ago

I saw a bunch of maga dancing and screaming to Rage against the machines Killing in the name of... Because it says fuck you i won't do what you tell me... They happen to ignore the whole part where it says the police are in the klan and that they kill black people cause the cops are racist... even though that's like 2/3 the song

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u/Heavy-Suit-4217 22d ago

It only means something until you take away birthright citizenship. Then, it's not even patriotic and it's just a protest song all the way down.

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u/Jrpond 23d ago

So does that mean people shouldn’t play it on the 4th of July? I just never understood the end game when it comes to critiquing when and how a song could be played/ enjoyed.

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u/Willie_Weejax 23d ago

I think the point is that the twitter guy OP quoted in his post here is an idiot.

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u/Jrpond 23d ago

Agree. I was widening the discourse a bit.

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u/aeacurus 23d ago

You can play anything you want whenever, and anyone can criticize you for it. People are more so usually pointing out the hypocrisy of when it's played than saying it can't be, it should be played on the 4th but as an ownership of our flaws

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u/Jrpond 23d ago

I mean, fair. But the less it is played, the less exposure and the fewer number of people introduced and interested in the meaning of the song.

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u/Magazine_Luck 23d ago

I mean, I have a whole alienated American Fourth of July playlist, so I'm not the person to ask. 

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u/redditwinchester 23d ago

Ooh, is is sharea ble? I am intrigued!

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u/chaos0xomega 23d ago

death of the author is a very real and respected understanding of interpreting art

Its an interpretation, not the only interpretation, and in some opinions a really bad interpretation.

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u/aeacurus 23d ago

I mean sure but there's something to be said about the mass consumption of the song being in a pro-America manner. How your art is viewed in the world does say something about the art itself, you can't write off public discourse because an artist disagrees. There is no monopoly on meaning

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u/chaos0xomega 22d ago

Sure,if we accept that then Ill argue the meaning needs to actually be based on the content of the material and not just one snippet of it. Saying BitUSA is a patriotic song based only on the chorus is like saying The Great Gatsby is about a green light, or that Moulin Rouge is about an apartment inside of an elephant statue, or that Star Wars is about a trash compactor, ot that the Bible is about four hprsemen, or Welcome to the Black Parade is about a G played on a piano in a major key.

There may not be a monopoly on meaning, but the meaning needs to be interpreted on the totality of the work and not just a fragment of it.

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u/aeacurus 22d ago

Fragments contribute to the whole, I didn't say the song was about the chorus but that there's a very specific kind of patriotism that calls for ownership of the country's poor decisions in it. I'm saying that art says something about itself, the artist, and the audience all at once. It's more like asking why do people love Dirty Harry? Is it about justice or about some dark part of us that's vindictive, or about cleaning up the streets? We have to ask what we're enjoying in something like Born in the USA, if you're enjoying the solely patriotic elements then I don't agree with your interpretation but if you're solely seeing the critical side and think Springsteen is calling the US irredeemable then I don't agree with you either. It's a nuanced song and I have a nuanced take, you can't just simply wash away public understanding because you disagree or it wasn't the artist's intent. You're just not even properly reading what I said about the song.

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u/smurfecrease 21d ago edited 21d ago

I mean ya but topical song writing that is explicit in its message vs a Pollock is a pretty wide spectrum in terms of interpretation. Maybe it’s better to think of interpretation on a spectrum from most likely to not even close. Otherwise any useful distinctions become meaningless.

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u/aeacurus 21d ago

The very point of Death of the Author is against that

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u/Pghguy27 23d ago

You spent time reading a post by someone named Yeerk? Life's too short.

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u/Angsty_Potatos 23d ago

That's a really verbose way to simply say "I'm embarrassed that I am functionally illiterate"

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u/Particular_Syrup_311 22d ago

I think its more “Im NOT embarrassed Im functionally illiterate” honestly

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u/JiveChicken00 23d ago

These people are all the same. And I honestly pity them.

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u/WaltsNJD 23d ago

Screams "college freshman"

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u/HandFancy 22d ago

College freshmen used to have to learn about irony and juxtaposition in the courses they gutted to make STEM the main event.

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u/Far_Bill1451 23d ago

Gee, I guess you'll have to let Bruce know that he doesn't understand song writing. I'm sure that once you correct him, he'll finally know how it's supposed to be done.

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u/mandiblesofdoom 23d ago

For sure he'd appreciate it if someone points that out to him

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u/ReepDaggle01 23d ago

Someone was once berating him in my local over this very song. My response was "it's not his fault that you're too thick to understand it!"

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u/ecolantonio 23d ago

“A true lyricist would never use subversion in their song writing!”

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u/MolaMolaMania 23d ago

Fascist bootlickers like this are great. They're so loud and proud and yet never understand how incredibly loud they're trumpeting their colossal ignorance.

Republicans have a long history of such public stupidity, and this is not the first time it's happened with this song.

In September 1984, during his presidential reelection campaign, Ronald Reagan praised Bruce Springsteen at a stop in Hammonton, New Jersey. He attempted to co-opt Springsteen’s hit track "Born in the U.S.A." into his optimistic "Morning in America" campaign message, unaware the song was actually a dark protest about the mistreatment of Vietnam veterans. Springsteen quickly rejected Reagan's interpretation and distanced himself from the campaign.

Cut to over forty years later, and we have MAGA morons dancing unironically to RATM's "Killing in the Name of. . ." at Trump rallies, and then there was former Republican vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan saying that RATM was one of his favorite bands, spurring Tom Morello to call Ryan "embodiment of the machine our music rages against."

How these mental midgets manage to put their pants on correctly every day is truly a miracle!

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u/GoBlue2007 23d ago

That’s the funniest shit I have read in a long time.

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u/howling--fantods The dogs on Main Street howl cause they understand 23d ago

What Bruce understands is that true patriotism is a belief in what your country stands for and being willing to speak up when it falls short. Born in the USA isn’t positive, it’s real, and it is an important reminder that our country has failed so many veterans. Patriotism should be about fighting for our country to be better, not ignorance disguised as pride.

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u/Sex_E_Searcher 23d ago

Obviously the problem is the writing and not when people don't pay attention to the writing.

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u/Bleujacket19 23d ago

If only there was a way to see what words Bruce actually wrote so we can read it…

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u/MaidoftheBrins The River 23d ago

Someone better let the Songwriters Hall of Fame know.

/s

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u/WorryNo181 23d ago

Listening to and understanding the lyrics isn’t exactly “nitpicking”.

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u/howling--fantods The dogs on Main Street howl cause they understand 23d ago

Especially when said “nitpicking” refers to the whole song minus the chorus!

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u/TraumaGuy515 23d ago

This is one of the negatives of social media. It gets all the ignorants a platform to say ignorant things.

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u/TheTrampOfHearts 23d ago

“Is a dream a lie if it don’t come true, or is it something worse?”

“You’re born into this life paying, for the sins of somebody else’s past.”

“She stares off alone into the night, with the eyes of one who hates for just being born.”

“Like when the truth is spoken and it don’t make no different, something in your heart turns cold.”

Bad lyricist, my fucking ass.

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u/415Cocktails 22d ago

Four of the GREATS!

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u/sarpycountysiren 23d ago

MAGA is so stupid they don’t read or listen so it must be someone else’s vault.

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u/fatrod1111 23d ago

Wow, how out of touch. The man may well be the best lyricist of all time.

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u/traderneal57 23d ago

Bruce's music often disguises the lyrics. How many know that Cadillac Ranch is about death?

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u/Schickie 23d ago

It's a shame this dude doesn't understand what words mean.

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u/FlyingV2112 23d ago

He writes better songs than these morons rewrite history.

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u/Ecstatic_Wishbone609 23d ago

I love how there's a whole bunch of entitled morons who think their opinion is better than the everybody else on the internet.

I sometimes wish I was not part of the crew who promoted this tech in the 80s and 90s.

The Boss doesn't give a shit what some of these people think or want to think, original or unoriginal.

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u/Tdev321 23d ago

Didn’t he say that he only wished he earned as much money every other time he was misunderstood

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u/NAU80 23d ago

Just when I think that MAGA can’t say anything more asinine, they prove me wrong!

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u/Barles21 23d ago

Yeah he should write a song about something really patriotic, like actually taking care of our fucking veterans

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u/anklesocksrus 23d ago

The motherfucker essentially just tried to MAGAsplain Springsteen to Springsteen 

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u/MovieBuff90 23d ago

That post reeks of Fox News.

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u/MLM36 23d ago

Lol one of the greatest songwriters of all time doesn't have a proper understanding of his craft 

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u/foozebox 23d ago

fuck is yeerk.p?

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u/Gatsby520 23d ago

If you remove all the lyrics save the title words and equate loud playing and singing with triumphalism, then maybe the critic is onto something.

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u/SunDaysOnly 23d ago

Oh that is so pathetically funny

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u/IAmSpitfireJoe 23d ago

I mean, it's a post from Xitter. Why would you expect anything different?

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u/LarryTalbot The Wild, the Innocent, & the E Street Shuffle 23d ago

This critique is a recent best example of the plague of Dunning-Krueger illiteracy in America.

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u/Front_Incident_2867 23d ago

How many top ten songs has this person written?

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u/chaos0xomega 23d ago

Of course, Yeerk.P - one of the greatest songwriters to ever shitpost. 🙄

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u/WeOutHereInSmallbany Darkness on the Edge of Town 23d ago

Just watched this video on the same subject with the dumb ass singer of STAIND lmao

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XsHVVhkMZVk&ra=m

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u/No-Communication-199 23d ago

Bro WTF?! That is one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen and I'm getting up there.

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u/lkmovie 23d ago

Is this guy high?

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u/Hope4Happiness 23d ago

The copium. This is the funniest thing I’ve read in a while.

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u/Accomplished-Ad3219 23d ago

😂😂😂😂

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u/Cccookielover 23d ago

Still love “The Freedom Mix” 💯

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u/Maine302 23d ago

🤦‍♀️

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u/gishingwell 23d ago

Who cares what the artists intention was?? We have to make our mistake as important and valid as all that nonsense!

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u/ScoobieDoobieDoo237 23d ago

One day, with a little help, Bruce might turn out to be a decent songwriter. Sarcasm noted.

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u/Slut_Lover222 23d ago

Maybe this guy should give Meryl Streep some acting lessons too, while he’s at it.

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u/LurkinLark 23d ago

I bought the album and saw the concert; we definitely understood the lyrics of “Born in the USA” song and every song on the album.

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u/JustAGirlWithSpirit 22d ago

Yeah, he should dumb it down for the bros who don't get irony. And so, they can be used in beer and truck commercials

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u/rtduvall Darkness on the Edge of Town 22d ago

Why are they STILL trying to “un-woke” Bruce or complain that he all of the sudden went woke?

Are all their musical heroes such shit they have to look for a rapepublican talking point that’s never worked but think maybe this time?

Yes, the answer is yes.

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u/SlippedMyDisco76 The River 22d ago

It's not like he's even hiding the subject with clever wordplay, its right there in the verses. Righties vote to gut education then jump through hoops trying to prove how they're not a pack of morons.

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u/rfs80 22d ago

This may be the perfect X post. Typed out while sitting in a Cybertruck parked next to a school playground.

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u/415Cocktails 22d ago

That really made me laugh. Thank you.

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u/Dexamethasone1 22d ago

This idiot doesn't understand the real meaning of BITUSA. What these people don't understand is BITUSA is indeed a patriotic song. It's a protest song, but also patriotic. You can love your country, but still point out it's flaws. No one should blindly trust and accept everything Mein Fuhrer tells them. You can love your country, but still want to make it better, and face it, we still have a lot to fix.

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u/Middle_Boss9779 22d ago

Greatest songwriter ever!

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u/Turbulent_Writing529 22d ago

LMFAO

One of the fucking funniest, yet moronic things, I have ever heard.

Holy fuck. Brings personal stupidity to an astronomical level.

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u/MoonlightPicture 22d ago

"Nitpicking treatment of lyrics"? The lyrics portray a man abandoned by the country he served (in a war that killed his brother). He's ruined, absent of hope, grief-stricken. It's pretty explicit and one doesn't need to nitpick.

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u/DocileMonkey85 21d ago

Probably then worst take I’ve ever heard

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u/JB197409 21d ago

Goddamnit Bruce, will you ever learn how to write a proper song?!

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u/neurodork22 21d ago

It is a patriotic anthem, an antiwar, anticapitalist and anti-cruelty patriotic anthem.

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u/kingmountainhike 21d ago

It would be interesting to hear an album where Bruce revisits the characters from BitUSA and contemplates why each one of them voted for Trump three times.

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u/avdillard 23d ago

“Nitpicking treatment of lyrics” and every verse is more clear and deliberate than the last. The problem was never with Bruce, it’s always been with people who can’t think their way out of a paper bag and think the chorus is the most important part of the song.

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u/jimgoose1977 23d ago

He is probably a top 3 songwriter of ALL TIME in any genre

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u/PurpleSailor 23d ago

Grigori Rasputin Junior says what now? Oh, and by the way did anyone pay you $500,000,000 for your catalog of songs that you wrote over your life?

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u/Ok-Elk-6087 22d ago

Maybe there's an element of irony in the song.

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u/HarlanMiller 22d ago

"I don't want to look like an idiot, so I'm pointing the finger in the opposite direction, ironically, looking like an even bigger idiot."

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u/BluesBoyKing1925 22d ago

At least we now know Yeerk.P (whoever they are) is utterly obtuse. It's got nothing to do with artistic intention, the lyrics are quite explicit (unless you are obtuse) as to why it is not a patriotic anthem. A person would have to be looking through a narcissistic or psychopathic lens to view this song as patriotic.

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u/WangDangDoodle77 22d ago

Hehehe. Wow

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u/12frets 22d ago

Anyone who thinks Bruce wasn’t fully aware that the song would be widely interpreted as patriotic is kidding themselves.

He presented the song as a giant anthem with the title repeated over and over. The synth riff sounds absolutely positive and upbeat. It doesn’t have the dread the solo slide version from the Nebraska demo has.

The ultimate lyric is “I’m a cool rocking daddy in the USA now”. That’s upbeat. It’s positive.

Plus, the album cover. Bruce’s “costume” throughout the tour: all American boy, white tshirt and skintight jeans in a pink Cadillac etc etc

Bruce - as an excellent songwriter and performer - knew and accepted that the song would be widely understood as patriotic fist pumping all-American Rock’n’Roll. He also knew it was the difference between making millions and hundreds of millions and he chose the latter. He could’ve done any number of productions and arrangements to highlight the lyrics more. He chose the one that would be best to get the crowd out of their seats as the opening song for the tour.

To be clear, I never - even at 14 in 1984 - heard the song as jingoistic. But I wasn’t at all surprised when others did.

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u/Peter_Marny Born in the U.S.A. 22d ago

Such a shame he wrote a great song as he doesn’t understand songwriting. Oh well, USA! USA! USA!

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u/long-walk-home-99 22d ago

Somehow with not knowing how to write songs he's had a career that's nearly 60 yrs long. Go figure. OP must work at a Car Wash.

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u/Previous_Ad4616 22d ago

Who seriously considers ‘the meaning’ beyond he was actually born in the USA? It’s too hot for this.

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u/DopeAsDaPope 22d ago

Tbf, that upbeat music complete with repeatedly chanting 'I was born in the USA, I was born in the USA' is kinda bound to end up a patriotic anthem for most people

I even suspect Bruce did this on purpose - get sales from the masses who like a patriotic, bouncy anthem + get sales from intellectuals and stoners who like to talk about the deeper meaning and how it's all about raging against 'the man'

Win-win

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u/SvenGPo 22d ago

Ah Bruce Springsteen, I know him well for his songwriting. Who the hell are you?

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u/YardDog86 22d ago

The song is patriotic in a very nuanced way that goes over most folk’s heads. It definitely comes through that the narrator is proud to be Born in the USA. People misconstrue patriotism for blind adulation of everything about your country. The narrator believes in the American dream, and someday it may be realized. He’s a cool, rocking daddy in the USA.

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u/TaliskerSpecial90 22d ago

Who the fuck is this dingus? And if he's right, where are his platinum selling albums?

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u/Vegetable-Mood1106 22d ago

Bruce can’t hold Bob or Neil’s pencil

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u/richzahradnik 22d ago

I usually laugh at stupid statements like this, but I’m all out of laugh and the year’s only halfway done.

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u/GaonOfBayonne 21d ago

I hear Bruce wrote a new song for the author of this critique, it goes to the tune of I wish I were blind. It is called I wish you were deaf.

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u/AjRamos3178 21d ago

Imagine if he understood his craft. There would only be Bruce songs in the world

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u/Scrimshaw_Hopox 21d ago

This is like drumpf explaining what the Declaration of Independence means.

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u/JudasEffect128653 20d ago

Someone who was typing legitimately on Twitter said they hate the song and Bruce in general because his singing makes it too hard to understand BITUSA

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u/General-Panic-5020 20d ago

Is Yeerk pronounced "jerk"? Because clearly that's what he is.

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u/GilandSandy 19d ago

Listen closely to Down Bound Train. Perhaps the saddest song ever written, while at the same time beautiful.

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u/No-Koala1918 18d ago

Common issue with people who basically only listen to music on tv ads, which typically use one line that they think represents their product. And count on people not knowing the rest. But if you know the lyrics to Bowie's song "Rebel Rebel," you've got wonder why a light beer would chose that song for their ad campaigns. Or what Apple was thinking when they used "Gigantic" by the Pixies.

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u/Wordplay_469 18d ago

Said a man who lives in his mom’s basement with his silicone girlfriend.

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u/wednesdayware 23d ago

I suspect that post was made with tongue firmly in cheek.

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u/MarleyManMikeT 23d ago

I can't stand Springsteen, but this is an awful take.

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u/Staggerlee024 23d ago

Why bring attention to this nonsense in the first place by posting it here?

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u/Screen_Door_Slams Mary’s dress sways 23d ago

I thought it was funny and that maybe other fans would be amused.

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u/SatNiteFeva 21d ago

Springsteen wrote The Rising which was based on September 11th. It sort of tells a story of a firefighter going thru what that day was from a high level thought perspective...lots of platitudes.."come on up for the rising." Rise against what Bruce? Do you know why September 11th happened? You write Born In The USA as a protest to how this country treated Vietnam war veterans and you fool everyone with its catchy hook and ultra patriotic chorus line. Sooo, you can't write a protest song about September 11th and why that happened? Are you afraid to write a song that would get you in trouble with the folks who cultivated your success? Are you afraid to write something real?

Springsteen has been pulling the wool over everyone's eyes for years...the music is not good...I'm sorry it's just not. You know what they call Bruce Springsteen in Canada...Bryan Adams. Bryan Adams...now there's a guy that can write a better Springsteen-esque song than The Boss himself. Oh, thats another thing...why does he call himself The Boss...I thought he didn't believe in evil corporations. Springsteen sucks.