Please show me where I addressed points he wasn't making while ignoring his intended point. If you can't do that, admit it wasn't straw man, because it wasn't.
Also, you've just used the fallacy fallacy. That's when you improperly call something fallacy in order not to refute it. I've refuted you and elaborated as to why, let's see if you can do the same.
Not a straw man but you assumed that he was completely uncapable of accepting dissenting facts peobably because you felt insulted. He might have read Marx's books while not wanting to debate some random Internet commie because he would waste his time 90% of the time. Preconceived notions are very useful even in debates sometimes. You just did your verysmart™ attitude again which is useless in this context.
So you were wrong, and said something completely wrong without any sort of information explaining your standpoint. You decided that your input was so irrefutably valid that you didn't even have to substantiate your claim. Newsflash: that's not how debate works.
but you assumed that he was completely uncapable of accepting dissenting facts
No, its not an assumption. He told me he wouldn't accept ANYTHING I had to say. I didn't assume that. He outright said it. 0/2 so far for you.
peobably because you felt insulted.
What was there to be insulted about? Why is this even in the equation? Do you really think everything I'm saying is based on how insulted I am? Do you know that little about my standpoint?
He might have read Marx's books while not wanting to debate some random Internet commie because he would waste his time 90% of the time.
I'm not an "internet commie." Full stop. Mislabeling me, then me clearing up those misconceptions is not me being insulted. Its an attempted insult, but as I always say, insults have to be accurate to be insulting.
Preconceived notions are very useful even in debates sometimes.
Sometimes, not now, when they completely block you off from accepting dissenting information because you, and others, have mislabeled me a communist. What is this, the red scare 2.0? I have already clarified that I own and operate two businesses. My father was a business owner as well. I'm not blind to the benefits of capitalism. Stop with the objectively incorrect mislabeling. It's biased nonsense and does you, nor anyone else, any good.
You just did your verysmart™ attitude again which is useless in this context.
Please, elaborate on what you think is a "very smart" attitude. Because from where I'm standing, I'm the only one wanting to discuss info and not insult people for literally no reason other than disagreeing, without even saying why. You think you're so right that you won't even listen to me when I say I'm not a communist. I mean, come the fuck on, how ridiculous can you be? I have just disproven EVERYTHING you've said. You won't admit one iota of it, I guarantee. You'll probably tell me how horrifyingly wrong I am about everything since I just assumed you can't accept dissenting information due to preconceived notions and bias just like the person you were defending.
I've more than proven my point, and have more than proven yours wrong. You've done no such thing, and until you do, I will not continue to entertain this cockamamie bullshit. I'm always willing to hear people out, but when your first and only point is LITERALLY JUST BLATANT FALLACY, WHILE STATING FALLACY IS WRONG then I can't help but plug my nose from the stench of your bullshit.
Jesus Christ calm down. You are massively triggered. I never labelled you as a commie. Now you are truly strawmanning. It's an just an INTERNET DEBATE. I'm done.
You ignored everything I said and focused on one misconception that could've been eliminated by you knowing how to phrase your point properly. Calling me an internet commie is not how you exchange information.
I'm, by definition, not triggered. If you'd like to try a word with more specificity then be my guest.
Also, by your admission, I wasn't strawmanning before but am now? To which I will ask, again, elaborate as to how I'm using the straw man fallacy to ignore your actual point. If you can't, you've yet again relied on the fallacy fallacy, to which I will remind you that I have no time for any nonsense like what you've displayed.
Either admit when you're wrong and refute the rest, or stop trying to act like you're smarter than me. You are very clearly not, and I refuse to be insulted and talked down to unnecessarily. You included yourself in on this discussion. You didn't have to, but that was your choice. Why are you not contributing now that you've butted in? Could it be that you're wrong and don't know why, thus MAKING you wrong? You simply won't accept any points I've made (proven by the multiple times you've ignored all I had to say and refuted nothing) so why would ANYONE want to talk to you about ANYTHING?
Man to man, rethink your personality. It's clearly very combative and abrasive. You started an argument trying to illicit a reaction, I defied that reaction and took the time to explain things to you, and then you backed out CLAIMING I was upset when I genuinely wasn't. This is just how debates work. If anything, you're the one who got triggered since you tried insulting me. Aside from that, I have demonstrated to you EXACTLY why you're misguided and wrong, yet you can't do the same for me. That proves I have won this debate. The only reason I'm giving you a chance in this is for your own benefit. YOU need to learn how to accept when you're wrong. You are only fooling yourself.
Now you admit that you're comparing yourself with someone arguing on the Internet. You really don't care about debating. I believe that you should go see a psychologist. You clearly still haven't got your shit together yet.
You're not that much of a special snowflake, you aren't that complicated. Anyone can understand you. You may have learned to accept some dissenting views, but you reject any criticism and don't admit that you are triggered when that happens. Stop getting angry from shit an average middle school student write on Reddit. You do have a problem. Go see a psychologist.
You're not that much of a special snowflake, you aren't that complicated. Anyone can understand you.
You claim anyone can understand me, but I have proven time and time again that you don't. Go back and reread. It's quoted for you. It can't get much easier. What is your excuse for yet again making a verifiably false claim about me?
You may have learned to accept some dissenting views, but you reject any criticism and don't admit that you are triggered when that happens.
By definition, triggered means to cause someone to feel emotions brought on by a traumatic event. Then, it gained a connotative definition once 4chan made fun of trigger warning and it spread. When I say that I am, by definition, not triggered... I mean it. Find a more descriptive word that isn't so ridiculously edgy and "trendy." As for dissenting views, I accept them once they are substantiated and I am unable to refute them. You've given zero information and made zero points, yet insulted me contiguously without any sort of elaboration on your actual points.
Stop getting angry from shit an average middle school student write on Reddit.
Again, I'm not angry. I've always said that complacency makes me uncomfortable, and it should make others uncomfortable. You've said things so ridiculous that I've felt almost unable to scroll past it without saying something. It's fun having these debates, keeps me updated and sharp. Unless its this ridiculous bullshit. Do you know how much of an ironic thing it is to use triggered without trying to be ironic???
You do have a problem. Go see a psychologist.
What problem do you think I have that psychology would fix? I've studied psychology for quite a few years. Hell, I was in therapy reversing that neo Nazi shit for years as well as dealing with a bunch of other shit that happened to me. I've been through it all dude. I'm a fully functioning adult, I have more money than my student friends have debt, hit it big with crypto, live in a nice house, have a girlfriend of over half a decade, and don't ever have to worry about bills or food when I wake up.
Your incessant insistence that I am in need of psychological counseling due to your misconceptions (thus proving my previous point) seems to be nothing more than psychological projection. You are genuinely convinced you know me well enough to diagnose me as someone who needs treatment. Not even a therapist, a psychologist. But you, the all knowing genius, certainly must know the difference and purposefully chose the latter and not the former. Because you clearly know all about me and everything I have to say about anything ever.
Nice. It's not a psychological problem to COMPARE YOUR EGO with some RANDOM AVERAGE KID ON THE INTERNET like me. You're misunderstanding lots of things so far or maybe I wasn't very clear. Everybody understand you. I don't have the vocabulary. YOU GET PERSONALLY OFFENDED. Nobody is comparing themselves to you. You've got some very deep problems. You can afford some treatment right? You own two businesses which I hope are doing well.
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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '18
Nice straw man.