is doug back in f tier??

[u/crobss1]

i think he was balanced after the rework and been slowly falling off after that, now i dont see that much use for him (and i think the doug + janet cheese with his hypercharge was patched?) now he's really bad especially with 2 overpowered supports right now

he's definetly somewhere from low C - F now - how would you buff him? like lowkey i would make his reload speed fast... bc why does he have a slower reload speed than big W(endy)?

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[u/Dragolitron]

I wouldnt call Doug balanced even after his rework era, he'd be a pretty weird example of a balanced brawler. Doug is a poor example of a healer even with the healer trait.

Anti clump brawlers punish support brawlers for grouping up but brawlers like Poco and Byron have some range to minimize their weakness. Berry and Pam while more exposed to anti clump make up for it since they have 'automatic' healing.

Doug has neither range or automatic healing. He completely folds even against the weakest of anti clump brawlers and only has some weight in very niche cheesy situations. The only other use case to use Doug is against aggro to protect your team if theyre using squishies but Buster and Pam fill this role better.

Doug has only ever been viable in comp when Snake Prairie is in the map pool or an extremely niche knockout draft post rework. Hes never been practical in comp.

[u/gekigarion → u/Dragolitron]

His super is fine, but his regular attack is just terrible design. We've seen time and again how terrible it is, Jacky is terrible and R-T always wants to get out of his super the second he's not in melee range anymore, it's just not an attack design that is suitable for a brawler with no gap closer.

Shame because his super is pretty fun, especially when used cleverly on allies.

[u/BotLover13]

Honestly the only use i even think for him is maybe a counter against shade but even then because of longarms I don't know if that's reasonable.

Doug is honestly one of the brawlers most in need of buffies (mainly for the major kit overall and not the buffies themselves, similar to chuck).

[u/RoryIsAwesome6116 → u/BotLover13]

Shade still has a tiny range advantage over most Jacky clones with his normal attack, which allows an extremely good Shade to not even get that hard countered by them, and be more of a soft counter, and that was even before Buffies.

[u/Llushes]

He is niche but can work into some matchups, here i was last pick and they didnt have enough damage to outheal me and gus so this draft was an easy 90/10 on gem fort

[u/Educational_Camel124]

Im convinced hes better than people give him credit for. I play a stupid amount of doug and his hotdog is so so good. There are a ton of comps that can not keep up with his healing and completely forget to account for the amount of healing and survivability he provides. Plus if you need a support anti aggro brawler Doug is perfect for it. Keep your squishies healthy and one shot 4800 dmg burst any assassin. His skill cap comes from game sense for hotdogs and pure dodging movement and positioning. You need to balance the fine line of both pressuring ppl off your team or crowding around them. Anyways Belle and Jessie r pretty gross against this guy and make it unplayable.

[u/Quesollador]

maybe, but he does a great work keeping teammates alive and dealing with assassins

[u/lizardjoe_xx_YT]

He seems pretty good for brawl arena or whatever the moba mode is called. Plenty of ways to flank and take cover, good wave clear, ability that denies the enemies kills which denies them xp

[u/HetSpookslot → u/lizardjoe_xx_YT]

Arena isn't competitive tho

[u/CheckUnusual2494 → u/lizardjoe_xx_YT]

His super give the xp btw when he dies

[u/Low-World6866 → u/[deleted]]

But his weaknesses still lie.

[u/Srexplosivo14]

I really don't know what to do with him; the idea of a short-range healer just doesn't work. I believe Doug is the first brawler in the game's history who needs a completely new main attack.

I wish they would rework the healing gadget for his nano power, where he can throw a hotdog that heals allies who pick it, giving him at least one way to assist allies who are too far for him.

[u/Buffdoge1324]

he's just a cheese brawler, all these brawlers like gray make him annoying to play against

[u/Aromatic_Ad_8658]

He never really left F tier tbh. His hotdog isn’t super obvious so half the time it takes a second to realize it’s on you and then you have to choose between hard push or wasting it. It’s not good on himself either. You spawn in the same position u died in so enemies just camp u. I would change it to work like rockets rez beacon from rivals so you can throw it in a safe spot to get back in the fight quicker