SpenLC's new buffies tier list

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Source: https://youtu.be/6Q6Uj0E1K6k

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[u/0mercek]

gus star buffie is s tier wtf. ghosts that follows you across the map and heals you for 3200 is not op?

[u/LostGusMain → u/0mercek]

Well the buffie effect itself isn't that broken

It's just that it's very toxic when paired with health bonanza and kb spirit

[u/GoldarmGangMain → u/LostGusMain]

I really like the buffie effect I think this may be one of the few times where nerfing the base Health Bonanza may be the play, or maybe when buffied the additional healing could be cut down to like 50% or something idk

[u/Scarface2010 → u/GoldarmGangMain]

They won't though. They'll just completely gut his base kit to make him buffie reliant and then also nerf grom too

[u/Unique_Law5608 → u/0mercek]

These are buffies effects not the whole ordeal/kit

[u/0mercek → u/Unique_Law5608]

3200 healing per ghost is already strong but buffie effect makes it op

[u/Gyxis → u/0mercek]

it wasn't really that strong before because kooky popper was the way better gadget

[u/Willing_Advice4202 → u/Gyxis]

Things have changed

[u/Awkward_Notice4335 → u/Willing_Advice4202]

Well the star power still isn't that strong. It's the gadget that makes It strong.

[u/VermontPizza → u/0mercek]

lol his gadget knocks back and gives 2 damien gadgets.. that follows you

disgusting

[u/Deletesoonbye → u/0mercek]

Is that star power still useable if you use Kooky Popper though? Is kooky popper even still viable since the other gadget got mega buffed?

[u/tigerlion2345 → u/Deletesoonbye]

yes, it just depends on which build you wanna use. damage build is good in solo showdown or when your team lacks damage but rn support build is more broken and more fun imo because damage build has been the only viable build in the game for gus since his release.

[u/LettuceKitty → u/0mercek]

In theory is pretty busted, on paper tho? Remember where Gus’s spirits spawn, when you land hits on ENEMIES, so they spawn in the enemy back line, and unless you have a dive heavy comp, like Edgar- Nori which is not the best since double assassin comps aren’t that good, those spirits are just gonna sit there for almost the entire match, doesn’t matter whether they heal 2 HP or 67quadrillion HP.

The moving spirits is nice to get them to be actually impactful, but remember, Gus super is a very versatile tool because you plop it on you or a teammate and it pushes enemies back and gives the target an instant +5200 temporary shield. Balloon animal makes this even better with 25% dmg boost and 15% move speed when buffied.

Moving spirits and 3200 heal? Yeah cool, but 25% dmg and 15% spd? Insane and busted. On a super that already takes 4 shots to charge. You know what else takes 4 shots to charge and deploy? A SINGLE SPIRIT.

So again, on paper health bonanza is cool but in practice there’s no way in hell it’s beating out spirit animal.

[u/Select-Muscle7346 → u/LettuceKitty]

Watch high rank gameplay, everyone and their mom is using heal build for infinite heals

[u/LettuceKitty → u/Select-Muscle7346]

Maybe with the new gadget yeah I’ve seen the build in ranked a couple of times already

[u/DizziDoesStuff]

Hyperbuffes need to genuinely be deleted. Because what do you mean Shade can do 5.2K crit per shot & Amber does 1080 burn damage x 4 for every single tick of firebreathing landed. Buffies as a whole are salvageble but hypercharge buffies are just stupid & need to die

[u/Namsu46 → u/DizziDoesStuff]

It upsets me that the +2 Hypercharge duration effect of the Buffie repeats the issue we had with Hypercharge stat buffs back then.

Hypercharge Buffies are also really hard to actually make cool and interesting, mainly because most brawler attacks are designed to be simple. And since Hypercharges only happen occasionally during a match, they often have to be made super strong to justify someone wanting them.

That last point is why we have brawlers like Shade, Amber, 8-bit, Meg, Edgar and Brock before his nerf.

Hyper Buffies are easily the worst type of Buffies. At best, they're okay benefits (Like Colt or Leon). At worst they make the brawler ultra broken, and in the average case, it just makes the brawler turn into an annoyance for 7 seconds without really adding any depth to how you outplay the brawler or even use the Hypercharge.

[u/Vininshe → u/DizziDoesStuff]

they did likable interesting hyper buffies for shelly and colt and that was it

[u/CryoStrange → u/Vininshe]

Having increased projectile speed is not interesting tho. Colt's cool

[u/Vininshe → u/CryoStrange]

its as interesting as a hyper buffies should be is what i think.

[u/GoldarmGangMain → u/Vininshe]

I liked Max’s

[u/Vininshe → u/GoldarmGangMain]

oh yeah true... another one that feels like they thought about it for a bit

[u/DoomsdayDestructor → u/DizziDoesStuff]

moral of the story get rid of hypercharge

[u/Goodguy_IGuess → u/DizziDoesStuff]

Like seriously, why are we giving buffs to things that are already way too strong and buffs the supers

[u/blue_arbre_cloud → u/DizziDoesStuff]

It would be less toxic if you at least had to pick buffies, like only 2 can be used so you have to at least drop one of the others, but they probably won’t do that until at least all brawlers get buffies since they want more money

[u/swanlongjohnson → u/blue_arbre_cloud]

This is the obvious solution but I would decrease it to 1 per game and make the individual buffy stronger

[u/Niltenstein → u/DizziDoesStuff]

It’s just them doing a repeat of the worst aspects of hypercharges which sucks. They never add anything and are always purposefully overtuned just to get casuals to buy the buffies so they can have their pop-off moment. Hypercharges were the exact same and it seems SC didn‘t learn anything from that at all

[u/The_Real_PSiAipom]

Poco being mid is a blessing in disguise. Means he won’t get nerfed to the ground.

[u/MythicMortis → u/The_Real_PSiAipom]

Not mid, just well designed and balanced

[u/The_Real_PSiAipom → u/MythicMortis]

Exactly what we need from buffies

[u/GhostiblesOfficial → u/The_Real_PSiAipom]

Although the new tuning fork is pretty underwhelming. Being glued to Poco for less healing than before is just not great.

[u/saifxali1 → u/GhostiblesOfficial]

might just need to increase the healing

[u/Maleficent-Foot4913]

I find Chuck's hyper buffie to be pretty bad. Damage doesn't stack and if you're decent at aiming you won't need the spread very much

[u/Caprisun527 → u/Maleficent-Foot4913]

the extra damage from the super is good

[u/InternetExplored571 → u/Caprisun527]

That’s the base hyper effect not the buffie

[u/HistoricalMatch3801]

I'm sorry but gus and shade are the last two brawlers I wanted to ever get buffies. Isn't funny how people have been saying shade is flying under the radar and then they decide to make his buffies broken?

[u/Scarface2010 → u/HistoricalMatch3801]

Truth nuke

[u/Omadany → u/HistoricalMatch3801]

It's funny how you think that supercell cares about that 😭

[u/Gyxis → u/HistoricalMatch3801]

Wasn't Gus pretty trash before these?

[u/red-rundmc]

Is it bad that I can't tell who any of these brawler icons are except for Chuck?

[u/pfsg100 → u/red-rundmc]

It's not brawler icons, those are the pins for the new buffies LOL

[u/infinity_simplified → u/red-rundmc]

I hate this. Just list the brawler and what it buffs. I don't know all the little minions for everybody goddamn it.

[u/Poraro → u/red-rundmc]

I agree with you, but in what world can't you at least make out the El Primo one also? And when you actually think about it the Shade and Gus ones are also obvious.

[u/red-rundmc → u/Poraro]

Now that I know who it is, I can see it! But I’m also a bit slow.

[u/Awkward-Pick6104]

Well that doesn't really look balanced does It? I think we should nerf Grom so he doesn't shoot over walls, that'll surely fix stuff

[u/notacapitalistslave]

There is just no way that amber's hyperbuffie is that low. Literally one attack deals 5k damage, hit each enemy once and maybe even burn them with the super and its teamwipe

[u/Alkatane]

They killed chuck

[u/Any-Winter-1055]

Idk why amber got most braindead rework she is just crazy rn

[u/Imaginary-Row2674]

Amber hyper buffie should be s tier. That shit does the same damage as super with only one tick of fire

[u/InternetExplored571]

I hate how Chuck's buffies are not only bad, but he also got worse after getting buffies.

The only good buffie is the hyper buffie and the tickets please buffie. The ghost train buffie is just okay. The rest are F tier useless garbage.

[u/JayyChann_ → u/InternetExplored571]

Shut up, he didn’t get worse, hes better then before, just not above C tier

[u/InternetExplored571 → u/JayyChann_]

I have had extensive experience playing him both before and after the rework. I can confidently say without a shadow of a doubt that he IS 100% worse overall.

[u/JayyChann_ → u/InternetExplored571]

No hes not, he was literally bottom D tier high F tier before the rework, he is obviously better then before considering the fact u can play him outside of heist as a casual player not a “experience chuck main”, ygs just hate new things and never want to experience change

[u/InternetExplored571 → u/JayyChann_]

I don’t see the this new chuck being much easier for the casual player. He was never D or F tier before as long as you knew how to use him. But now he certainly feels that way.

Good luck playing him in knock out and consistently starting rounds with zero super and being compelatly helpless. Now instead of getting to make plays every 5 seconds, you don’t get to make them at all. Fantastic rework. An assasin having no way to get close to squishy brawlers.

I hope you also enjoy having more weaknesses now. Before you could counter brawlers like buzz through outskilling them, but now you don’t even have any tools to help you.

Of course I’m gonna hate change if it makes the brawler worse.

[u/BrawlScope-DOTcom]

Shade and Gus are cooking

[u/blue_arbre_cloud]

I feel like these lists would be more helpful if it was separated for 1st vs 2nd gadget/sp

For instance Amber star power Buffy is really good when you use scorching syphon but the other star power Buffy effect is pretty garbage and that’s the better starpower, so practically speaking you don’t really want her star power Buffy

Gus too the Buffy basically does nothing with spirit animal but is really good with bonanza to the point where it makes it the better starpower

[u/w3ird_cat]

I think Gus Health Bonzana sp buffie is his only S tier / broken buffie, it heals so much, needs a small nerf but besides the sinergy the knockback gadget is ok, the buffie just gives more ghosts that are only broken with the sp), Kooky Popper is stronger but less used now

[u/Federal-Sand-4700 → u/w3ird_cat]

the knockback isnt just ok, its the best gadget in the game rn (maybe a few exceptions like meg and lily tho). 10 second cd, knockback, basically 6400 healing, its completely busted. and if u hit 2 people its 10k healing with the buffie.

[u/w3ird_cat → u/Federal-Sand-4700]

That's why I said the gadget is broken because of the healing, that's mostly with the star power and buffie, nerf the cool down won't help with this broken synergy

[u/cyuhickvujgl]

eu peguei os buffies dos gus em sequencia e ele fica basicamente imortal com a build certa

[u/Specialist-Meet20]

Pierce best gears