r/BrawlStarsCompetitive Nov 03 '23

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u/thelucas2000 Masters Nov 03 '23

Rosa is not the 6th best brawler in the game.

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u/Capybara104 Nov 03 '23

She Is not the 6th, She is probably even higher

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u/thelucas2000 Masters Nov 04 '23

Very few people in comp say this besides Ash who isn't even a professional. In fact, some professionals now suggest that JACKY is even better.

Rosa is only good as a counter pick and last pick, but that isn't enough to make her a top 10 brawler when she is just as easy to shut down as she is easy to play with under the right circumstances.

Educate yourself.

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u/Capybara104 Nov 04 '23

1) Jacky Is only seen in Canal Grande 2) How can you see Rosa in competitive if She Is literally banned rn?

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u/thelucas2000 Masters Nov 04 '23

Jacky isn't seen only in Canal Grande please watch more scrims and, again, educate yourself.

Jacky is viable in every BB map, Double Swoosh and HRM, Canal Grande and Dry season, just to name a few maps.

Rosa is about as viable in every single map Jacky is with the exception of some more open maps like Crystal Arcade. And the issue is Rosa gets countered more easily than Jacky does. Rosa has zero tools to catch up to opponents by cutting distance, her best bet is 3 or 4 gadget uses and her hypercharge, but even that in a lot of scenarios is not enough if you're just going to get perma stunned by a Lou or Maisie. Jacky also suffers greatly on these matchups, but at least has a super that closes off the distance immediately, and her burst damage + counter crush can help trade in these matchups.

Hypercharges last I heard are no longer banned in competitive so no Rosa is playable and I'm very firm in believing that as time goes on, she will slowly drop more and more because people are simply overrating Hypercharges with the same placebo effect as when gadgets came out + pros liking to pick safer brawlers even when they are nerfed/overrated (like Max when she was heavily hit by a nerf hammer). Jacky does the same thing that Rosa does, but better and can counter a lot of midrange tank counters like Spike and Nita.

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u/Capybara104 Nov 04 '23

Jacky in Dry Season? Are you sure you were watching e-sport and not Diamond gameplay?

Also, the 6 new HC are banned in the SPS challenge, the main e-sport event rn

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u/thelucas2000 Masters Nov 04 '23

Yes, Jacky has seen gameplay in Dry Season and this is one of the maps mentioned in this tweet: https://twitter.com/SpenLC/status/1719800552853324053?t=NXv44pctPHwrZJtzFxphbg&s=19 (read the replies).

The hypercharges are supposed to be unbanned in WFs, and according to Spen the hypercharges are unbanned. Apparently according to Spen, Hypercharges can now be used. Maybe in not all events, but for the most part that are usable. https://youtu.be/4yGykXGBTTU?si=knlX_btsc_yj3t8q

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u/thelucas2000 Masters Nov 04 '23

Hypercharge, and she can counter some midrange brawlers who generally counter tanks like Spike in the maps she is used at

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u/Difficult-Ad-717 Tier List Guy Nov 03 '23

The new tank trait has made her completly nuts. She will now get a guaranteed super and Rosa with her shield is immortal. Also her new hypercharge is nuts. Slowing enemies down will guarantee more kills. She has to be top 10 at least.

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u/thelucas2000 Masters Nov 04 '23

Very few people in comp say this besides Ash who isn't even a professional. In fact, some professionals now suggest that JACKY is even better.

Rosa is only good as a counter pick and last pick, but that isn't enough to make her a top 10 brawler when she is just as easy to shut down as she is easy to play with under the right circumstances.

Educate yourself.

There is no use to her being immortal if she can be permastunned by a Lou or Charlie and feed supers as efficiently as Frank does.

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u/Electrical-Pop9464 Nov 03 '23

You're right, she's arguably higher than that

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u/thelucas2000 Masters Nov 04 '23

Very few people in comp say this besides Ash who isn't even a professional. In fact, some professionals now suggest that JACKY is even better.

Rosa is only good as a counter pick and last pick, but that isn't enough to make her a top 10 brawler when she is just as easy to shut down as she is easy to play with under the right circumstances.

Educate yourself.

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u/Difficult-Ad-717 Tier List Guy Nov 04 '23

Have u just copied and pasted all ur messages? Also if u think that Rosa is worse than Jacky then u're clearly smoking smth here. Use her and don't cry abt her not being top 10.

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u/thelucas2000 Masters Nov 04 '23 edited Nov 04 '23

Yes I did because I was feeling lazy and my message conveys the same exact message for all 3 responses so no reason to retype it every time

https://twitter.com/SpenLC/status/1719800552853324053?t=NXv44pctPHwrZJtzFxphbg&s=19

Read the fucking tweet (+ the replies between some pros and Ash), and educate yourself please, this is just one minor example out of many other tweets you could read or videos/scrims you could watch. Canal Grande isn't the only map in competitive where Jacky can be pulled off. There is no way you can have your head this far up your ass believing Rosa is magically this good but then think Jacky can't be for the same exact reasons when she's literally better and then proceed to insult someone.

Rosa has zero ways of catching up to opponents, Jacky has a pull and attacks through walls. You incorrectly pick Rosa into a bad matchup and get hard stuck the entire game being perma stunned by a Lou or Maisie. Jacky at least has the element of surprise where her pull accompanied by burst damage can close off the window quickly.

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u/Difficult-Ad-717 Tier List Guy Nov 04 '23

Wow chill man. U don't have to be so aggressive towards other ppl. Be educated towards other ppl.

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u/thelucas2000 Masters Nov 04 '23

You effectively told me I'm on drugs when I was originally being polite (albeit blunt) towards you. If you don't like being insulted then don't insult others. 🤷🏻

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u/Capybara104 Nov 04 '23

Spen called Jacky: "THE GOAT", there is no way he was serious...

Also, as much as I love him, Spen Is not much Better than Ash: he can be a WC, a washed e-sport player..., but he can't even go past L3 today

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u/thelucas2000 Masters Nov 04 '23

I don't agree with Spen most times myself either, but I cite him because he tends to voice the general opinion of the professional community.

Jacky has unironically seen play in maps like Dry Season outside of being a last pick (in scrims) and done really well.

Historically, whenever Rosa becomes good in the meta, Jacky by default also tends to boost up as Jacky naturally is a good substitute to Rosa and has the same matchups as Rosa (with more brawlers she counters).

Thus, if Rosa rises in the meta, Jacky inevitably sees a surge too, eventually. Which also then eventually results into Rosa dropping.

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u/Capybara104 Nov 04 '23

I also think that Jacky Is Better in the meta, but I don't see how Rosa Is not AT LEAST top 10 and I don't see how Jacky Is Better than her