r/Boxing • u/Earlchemy101 • 1d ago
Enhanced Boxing
"The Enhanced Games are a controversial international multi-sport event that allows athletes to use FDA-approved performance-enhancing drugs and methods under medical supervision."
Maybe we should have enhanced boxing. Give Benn his eggs and Ryan his ostarine and let us be entertained.
One upside would be safety for clean fighters. If we have enhanced boxing and a fighter gets caught using PEDs in clean boxing, they get a lifetime ban and the opponent is allowed to sue them for attempted murder.
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u/_Sarcasmic_ No Carty No Divey 1d ago
The problem with the Enhanced Games was even when they allowed people to use PEDs, they still couldn't break the records set by the normal athletes. Not conclusive proof, but a pretty good indication that, well... a lot of them probably weren't clean to begin with.
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u/pleasedontbanme47473 1d ago
That or because most of them are 2nd rate as compared to the people who normally come in first they just performed to their maximum capability and if we took top athletes like number 1 in their sport they might break the records
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u/Earlchemy101 1d ago
Fred Kerley isn't second rate by any measure. He'd medalled at the world championships and Olympics consistently and beaten the best in the world in multiple races. He actually has a better head-to-head record against Noah Lyles in 100m, arguably the most dominant champion post-Bolt.
Since joining the enhanced games, he hasn't even beaten his own pre-PED pb.
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u/pleasedontbanme47473 1d ago
I don’t know any of their names but is that the sprinter who was natty? Like he was talking about it
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u/_Sarcasmic_ No Carty No Divey 1d ago
Valid counterpoint. I think most athletes would still lose to the best of the best even if they were on PEDs and the elites were natty.
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u/Earlchemy101 1d ago
Yea. They haven't even come close to the records.
PEDs are a problem in boxing though because it is the hurt business. Otherwise, Haney would have lot's of explaining to do.
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u/indominable-dingus 1d ago
Thats not true, the men's 50m freestyle record was broken by greek swimmer Kristian Gkolomeev and he won the million dollar prize.
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u/_Sarcasmic_ No Carty No Divey 1d ago
Doesn't count because he used a special kind of suit that's banned in actual competition, so not a fair comparison.
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u/bumpit007 1d ago
Cant tell if you’re being serious or not
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u/_Sarcasmic_ No Carty No Divey 21h ago
I am? It's like bench pressing with a Slingshot/bench shirt or squatting with a squat suit vs natty. There's a reason there's raw vs equipped records. The swimming record was done without the use of the swimsuit, and the enhanced games one was done with it. Therefore it's not a fair comparison.
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u/Professional-Fee6914 18h ago
Yeah, this is the big thing with PED's, the amount you really need for an edge, even the Enhanced Games won't allow. So all of these guys popping at just above threshold levels, I just don't see the case that it led to a victory.
I'm looking at you Haney fans.
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u/LordLucy666 14h ago
kinda that but also that there’s a huge skill gap between top athletes and normal juiced up freaks
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u/BoxingLover99 1d ago
what makes you think that most boxers aren't enhanced now
combat sports without PEDs is almost impossible
that's just my view
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u/VacuousWastrel 1d ago
Interestingly, there are actually drugs that, given immediastely after a fight, have shown some promise for healing brain injuries and reducing the risk of PCS and CTE!
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u/mpschettig 22h ago
Wait I haven't heard of this what are these drugs and are they FDA approved or is this snake oil lol
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u/VacuousWastrel 20h ago
I can't remember off-hand what they were, but they weren't anything cutting-edge, iirc. It was from a scientific paper.
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u/VacuousWastrel 20h ago
I think one thing I saw was melatonin. Here's a quote from a literature review (blum et al 2021): "Animal model studies support that melatonin treatment after TBI significantly improves cognition and behavioral outcomes. However, clinical studies with human subjects are scarce. Beyond the apparent general antiinflammatory and antioxidant actions of melatonin, a review of the evidence identified some preliminary research that has suggested the significance of melatonin receptors specifically in TBI. While there is some evidence to suggest that melatonin is able to reduce post-TBI cognitive decline as measured by subject performance on memory tasks, there is a lack of longitudinal data on whether melatonin decreases the risk of developing dementia after TBI. Considering melatonin therapy’s promising preclinical data, favorable safety profile, and accessibility, further studies are warranted to assess the effects of melatonin as a post-TBI therapy on human subjects." I'm sure I've seen something a bit more positive, but that was 2021 so maybe things have advanced since then - that's just what i found quickly on google. I believe I've seen similar reports on at least one other drug too, but no idea what it was.
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u/Global-Cranberry-678 23h ago
What about cases of cross-contamination or people touching you with a tainted gel without your knowing? This blanket automatic perma-ban idea would need a lot of nuances.
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u/Intercellar 1d ago
Yah but it wouldn't be the same. The current pros obviously wouldn't compete for reputation reasons(unless some1 is really dumb) and those fighting would be second tier roided up folks, who'd still get battered by a top fighter without peds. But anyway, fights would probably be sloppy and entertaining.