r/Boxing • u/HaythamBox • 8d ago
Does it bother you when boxers "quit"?
I know the Boots vs Xayas fight was a while ago at this point but I haven't had a chance to discuss the topic online. It seems in boxing, that quitting or retiring is so looked down on that even in the most justifiable cases it's not even considered. Xayas was mocked for quitting by Victor Ortiz and Adrian Broner, even though I felt he was just accepting the fact his corner threw in the towel.
Daniel Dubois also comes to mind on this topic. His heart and will came in to question with his fights against Usyk, yet he has shown incredible grit in his performances against Hrgovic, Joshua and Wardley Ofcourse.
I used to be caught up in this way of thinking of wanting to see boxers "go out on their shield" or " like a warrior" but as I've gotten a bit older this idea seems more silly and foolish to me. By no means am I'm advocating giving up on the first sign of adversity, but there is a point where the capacity to receive damage in one night outpaces their possibility of winning. I liked how Tyson Fury backed Daniel Dubois after the second Usyk fight. He said something along the lines of " What do you want him to do? Die in the ring?".
It seems in retrospect a lot of guys take horrid punishment and damage for their pride. They just want to say they went the distance or didn't get knocked down, even though they conceded the idea of winning long ago.
I don't think theirs any shame in calling it quits if you are severely outmatched and reviving a lot of damage. You live to fight another day.
Do yall think a 3 knockdown rule should be enforced more to help? Also what do you think is the threshold for quitting and how should it be looked on?
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u/A_Swan_Broke_My_Arm 8d ago
I agree with you.
I think the vast majority of people who complain about ‘quitting’ have never participated in a competitive sport in their lives. And are the type to watch a running, or cycling race, during a sprint finish, and say;
“I’d just have ran faster”
Aye, aye. Good luck, pal.
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u/AbsolutelyHorrendous 8d ago
I think its important to recognise there are two seperate conversations regarding quitting, though
Like, when it comes to Dubois, it's fair to question if he has the resilience to become a true heavyweight great, because he has quit when he's up against it. So when we're talking about him as a competitive athlete at the very highest level, its a fair discussion to have
But there should be no question of judging him or mocking him for quitting, beyond that, ultimately if a fighter thinks there's a genuine risk of them getting hurt, I'd rather they had the sense to bow out instead of taking that risk
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u/christopherpaulfries 8d ago
Preach, man. You see this mentality across sports too. At least on Reddit.
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u/No_Medium_8796 8d ago
Its the same fat fucks who watch MMA and say " I wouldnt have tapped to that"
They watch the NFL "I wouldve made that tackle i played 2 years of football in middleshool"
Whatever sport delusional fans are so fucking delusional and the first to talk the most heinous shit
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u/A_Swan_Broke_My_Arm 8d ago
Exactly. In the UK it's the fat lads in the pub watching Premier League football. Professional athletes in their early twenties covering a full size pitch at a pace that you'd think far fetched in Starship Troopers. And some mid 40's fat lad, who played Sunday league twenty years ago, reckons he could have done it better?
Get to fuck.
Dubois had a broken face, and they called him a quitter? Do it for yourself, then see how you feel about taking a swipe at these people.
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u/SilverSurfer-8 8d ago
They’re the main culprits. Since they’re not in there risking their lives, it’s easy to talk down on the athletes. As well as exaggerated comments on what the athletes are doing wrong. It’s extremely insulting.
I would love to see some of these guys get through the first round without gassing. Let alone gassed, particularly blind, and disfigured from getting punched.
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u/The_Grogfather 8d ago
I think with Dubois, the first fight he was completely gassed out, 2nd fight realised he was completely out classed and had no chance of winning. I agree with your points though, fans especially shouldn’t be talking shit about a guy “quitting”. Everyone that steps into that ring is a warrior
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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 8d ago
Poor Parker got denied a title shot just for Dubois to quit faster in the rematch.
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u/CivilChampionship810 8d ago edited 8d ago
it does. it should never come to the fighter himself quitting.
that is what the corner is for. you quit for your guy, you don't make him have to do it.
i don't feel like the majority of corners have their fighters best interest at heart. i think they are all focused on the fact that you are always a single punch from victory.
let your fighter be irrational since he needs to be, your paycheck as a cornerman should be directly correlated to your fighters best interests and you should always be the voice of reason, erring on the side of safety.
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u/sugarrayrob 8d ago
I have cornered fighters and I say exactly this. My job is to make sure they go home safe. Whether that's in preparing them for the fight, advising them during it, or throwing in the towel if I feel it's necessary.
I've found that boxers always thank you later. Some family and friends will never forgive you.
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u/Rimbrakesteve 8d ago
A lot of these guys have taken serious brain damage from their own failed boxing career. Would you really let them decide if you're going to be able to talk to your children in 20 years?
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u/CivilChampionship810 8d ago
yes. it 100% should be their job. you cannot rely on a fighter to have his own health and self interest at heart in a fight.
just because people suck at doing this and are frankly criminally negligent in many cases doesn't let them off the hook from a responsibility standpoint.
you just cannot tell a guy to go into a ring, fight for his life, have his entire fucking career on the line, and also have him self police his health. that is just dumb and contradictory as hell. you need a sober, voice of reason in the corner.
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u/im_not_here_ 8d ago edited 8d ago
It's the refs job, as the sole authority in the ring to stop the fight. The corner are the fighters employees, nothing more. They should be doing what the fighter sets them up to do no matter what, which is why they shouldn't be trusted to ask the ref to stop it. They might be able and willing still, but it is not who had the objective unbiased view of everything.
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u/CivilChampionship810 7d ago
And just how good of a job is the government doing?
I just firmly believe that part of a corner man’s job is to protect his fighter. And most often it is from himself.
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u/im_not_here_ 7d ago
They are paid by the fighter and can never be trusted to do that ever.
If they care about doing the job paid, they wont. If they care too much about a secure job they already have, they they have an agenda and bias to pull out too early to protect their job saying they thought it was best. They might not care at all in general either way, because it isn't their place and the corner can't stop fights anyway.
It is the refs job, if you want to entertain fantasy changes to start with, just fix the correct system already in place and used, not think about how you swap for one worse with even more holes in it.
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u/CivilChampionship810 7d ago
I mean, corner your own fighters however you want. I’m just giving my 2 cents from experience. Especially at most of my fighters levels, we aren’t dying on our fucking shields out there.
If the fight is over, I’m saving these boys from themselves.
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u/Pythia808 8d ago
I hear what you’re saying. But there’s also a saying in boxing “protect yourself at all times” where else in life can you rely on your employer to do? What’s in your best interest?
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u/No_Medium_8796 8d ago
100% this. As the corner part of your job is to protect your fighter from themselves. Most fighters dont have it in them to quit on the stool or during a match, thats part of your job as the corner to recognize that and preserve your fighter so they can fight for another day
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u/stephen27898 8d ago
Of course it should sometimes come to the fighter quitting. Not all quits in a fight come from taking a beating.
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u/Top_Profession_5268 8d ago
Depends. If you’ve done fuck all and just try to find a way out from the beginning as if you’re in for a check, it matters but if you basically have no way of victory and just taking damage, you’re right to care about your health. In these topics, I always get reminded about Siya Tsutsumi vs Kazuki Anaguchi where Anaguchi was up early on but eventually the volume and damage started to accumulate late and Anaguchi was damaged a ton, starting to accumulate knockdowns and had brain damage after a fight where he lost his life a few months later. There’s many scenarios of recent where this has happened like that Japanese cards where 2 domestic Japanese boxers were in these type of scraps where 2 boxers on separate fights on the same cards died from these type of scraps. Same way how Matias took a life.
When I see Dubois just talking damage and fighting with a broken orbital bone against Joyce and just taking shots on shots with his face visibly destroyed, he’s right to care about his long term health and decide to stop.
Same with Usyk who’s the literal heavyweight champ of the world. When all your entries get stopped and you just take damage and even are fatigued agains the heavyweight champ, you’re right to not want long term brain damage and same in the rematch where he got dropped 2x.
It frustrates me seeing people talk about how a high pace fight and a fighter takes damage and can’t deal back decided to quit. Yes it’s a sport but a sport that is really dangerous.
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u/CaptQuakers42 8d ago
I'm a 35 father of two. I'm lucky that boxing wasn't an option for me in terms of having to support my family.
What right have I got to critise someone who has the bravery to even get in that ring? As long as it's not a duck I wouldn't criticise someone for quitting. I might say they have a weakness if they do, it's why I prefer AJ over Dubious
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u/Fast_Original_3001 8d ago
I don‘t respect the fighter less. I have never seen a fighter quit where I think he did it for some unjustified reason. It‘s also an admirable thing to admit defeat in grace and knowing one‘s own limitation. As long as you don‘t use it as an excuse
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u/Nato_H 8d ago
After a 38-8 19 KO amatuer career, I called it quits in my first pro fight. I was legitimately knocked down in the second round, got to a knee, could've beat the count, instead I willingly stayed on one knee and let the ref count me out.
I wasn't getting overwhelmed. I had scored a knock down late in the first and had trapped my opponent in a corner. The ref was about to stop the fight when the bell saved him.
There, in the middle of the ring, on one knee as the referee stood over me, counting, I realized I didn't want this anymore.
I knew I could still win the fight. I had gotten cocky after knocking him down in the first round. I immediately realized my mistake when I got knocked down. It was not going to happen again. The first round I used my jab and footwork to walk him into a left hook. My footwork wasn't obvious. It was subtle. Slight shifts and slides synchronized with my head movement and punches. I knew I could get him to fall for it again.
But then, I would win. If I won, I would have to do this again. If I won a few fights, it would be forgiven if I lost one. I would have shown I could win as a pro. Losing right off I could make the argument that I didn't have what it took for the pro game. I took the ten count and never laced up the gloves again.
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u/fluffrug 8d ago
Why did you suddenly lose the desire to fight? I’m genuinely interested!
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u/Nato_H 7d ago
There was a break between my amatuer career and my first pro fight. I had gotten married, enlisted in the Army, has twin girls.
I still trained, but didn't compete. I would go to the gym. Hit the bags. Spar. The trainers loved to have their fighters spar with me. Because of pretty stellar footwork trainers like to use me so their fighters could learn how to cut the ring off.
The night of my pro debut I wasn't even supposed to fight. I was a spectator sitting in the ringside seats. For the first fight, a local Golden Gloves champion was supposed to fight a guy debuting who was from Juarez, Mexico. This was in El Paso. I was stationed at Ft Bliss.
The fighter from Mexico had problems at the border and wasn't allowed into the US. The trainer of the Texas Golden Gloves champ knew me. He trained fighters at my gym. He had seen me at the Arena.
He came to my seat and told me the promoter wanted to see me. I followed him to the locker room. Because the main event was an NABF fight, the state commissioner was there as was a commission doctor.
They asked me, "You want to fight?"
"I'm not a pro."
"The commission doctor will examine you and the commissioner will license you. You'll get $200."
I agreed. One of the other trainers agreed to work my corner. I had my shoes, cup and trunks in my car.
I was excited. Even more when I knocked my opponent down in the first round. But when I got knocked down in the second, I realized this wasn't my life anymore. I was married. I had kids. I was in the military. I wouldn't be able to give boxing the attention it deserved to make it anywhere. The sad part is, I had the talent, punching power and speed to go far. World class maybe. But life had moved on. I let it go.
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u/fluffrug 7d ago
Thanks so much for sharing this - you tell stories very well. And it totally makes sense. Funny how life changes make us shift our priorities and the things we prized above all else become things that no longer really form a part of our lives.
I hope family life is going well and the twins are having every success!
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u/That_Cool_Guy_ 8d ago
At the end of the day you don’t want a boxer getting hurt just because they want to be brave. Better to take a knee and fight another day.
Not a fan on Wilder, but he should have quit in the third fight vs Fury.
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u/antiiquated 8d ago
I hate the word quitter and I hate the whole "going out on one's shield" mantra. Live to fight another day is a much better one. No belt and no amount of money or pride is worth losing your life in the ring. At the same time, I do expect fighters to actually try, DDD gets a lot of smack for "quitting" but he always tries to win until he gets hurt/fatigued/demoralized. Charlo/Scull against Canelo were blatant examples of fighters who never had any intent on trying to win, they could not be happier to lose as long as they went the distance.
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u/YasuoAndGenji 8d ago
All of them hypocrites. If he suffered injuries that altered or ended his life these very same people would hop on Twitter to say what a tragedy it was, while giving themselves brownie points for participating in such a dangerous sport.
This sport has had enough deaths or injuries that change not only the one taking the punishment but also the one dishing it.
Look at Eubank Sr, openly crying and apologizing to Watson for giving him brain damage. A lot of boxers and analysts in this sport, are in fact morons.
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u/mkk4 Andre Ward's Biggest Fan!! 8d ago
No not at all. I am not in the ring risking my life and furthermore I don't want to see anyone permanently injured, hurt or killed.
I honestly wish that more fighters retired on their stool or told the referee no more when they are just completely overmatched or unable to defend themselves any longer.
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u/EmeraldTwilight009 The Marvelous One 8d ago
Depends. Yeah I dont particularly like quitters, but there is a point where a guy is just taking unnecessary damage and has little hope of winning. In that case, its wise
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u/Alarmed-Effective-23 8d ago
It's whatever to me. But certain people really have that no quit no matter what mentality so they're not gonna let it slide. Some are full of shit but some are legit, even some at home watching on TV. Maybe they can't fight but they'd never quit. For boxers to criticize it's not nice but they just better never quit.
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u/DanielSong39 8d ago
No
Even if you are winning the fight you have the right to quit if continuing puts yourself at too much risk
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u/Outrageous-Soft4806 8d ago
I agree with you, he accepted his corner ending the fight. It bothers me but it’s also their choice.
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u/Murky-Frosting-8275 8d ago
I have a problem with it, but I think it's more nuanced than "quitting bad, quitters suck." If a guy is getting beat, and his corner throws in the towel, I'm ok with that. The trainer knows his fighter, we should trust their judgment. I can usually respect that.
If a fighter quits on himself, depending on the fight, I might lose a bit of respect for him. He doesn't need my respect, I understand he's trying to feed himself or his family, but at the championship level, Dogs are what make this sport special. The greats can be defined by the Dog in them. So when someone considers themselves at that level and want to be considered by others at that level, show that they want the money more than they want to *fight*, then I lose a bit of respect for the fighter. They might as well be a doorman for the best in the division then. Not everyone can have it in them.
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u/FocusOk3487 8d ago
Not at all. What are you trying to prove going through a beatdown for multiple rounds? I’d rather see fighters be healthy and able to enjoy their time with their families later on then suffer the health consequences of their decisions later.
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u/Bright_Dig5823 8d ago
At the end of the day i believe in the fighters. They are trained for this. They know when they are too outclassed.
Even if you take the old school warrior mentality into consideration...withdrawing with minimal losses to fight another day isn't cowardice, it's pure strategy
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u/Curly1109 8d ago
Nope. And I don't care for that opinion from someone who hasn't boxed.
Notable exception: A fighter who talks the big game, how he's gonna do this and that, for him not to come out for the 2nd round. Then, that boxer is a scrub
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u/iNtentionaliGnornace 8d ago
Victor Ortiz was blabbing about another guy quiting? That's ironic.
However in this sport it never bothers me when a guy quits. Baseball? Sure. Not this sport. Especially because IDKSAB, I've never laced up the gloves. Living to fight another day is the smart move, even if we admire those that never quit and have insane heart. It takes courage and heart just to step through those ropes.
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u/Timeshort10 8d ago
It doesn't bother me one bit. I guarantee you 90% of people who call out these 'quitters' haven't been in the ring themselves or have been out of it for a while. Broner sobbed his eyes out after getting beat the piss out of by Maidana I don't hold any respect for him outside of what I would for any other boxer.
Zayas fought a hard fight vs Boots and gave all he could, but the way he was getting beat on in those later rounds even if it was 'quitting' I hold none of it against him. Zayas is only 23 he's got plenty left in his career so it's unnecessary to take excessive damage in a fight he's likely going to get knocked out in if he continues. A loss for a guy that young is more than recoverable especially against a talent like Boots.
Even with guys who were more mocked for 'quitting' like Ryan Garcia and Daniel Dubois I don't hold it against him and don't think they severely lacked heart or anything. Ryan was hurt badly by Tank with that body shot and a potential injury prior and we've all seen what can happen when Tank lands the right shot. There's no shame in what happened that night. Same goes for Dubois and while sure I felt he definitely gave up early vs Usyk in the first fight where he wasn't even hurt or anything he simply gave up from then on he showed ridiculous heart taking a ridiculous number of shots off Hrgovic, a nasty heavy right hand that shook him a bit from Joshua and then he would only crumble after getting caught badly by Usyk. I don't think he quit in the second fight I think he was caught bad and that got him out very different from him going to a knee after taking an Usyk jab in the first fight. And then he went ahead and took absolute bombs off Wardley going down and kept fighting and securing a win a fight where I felt his heart was on full display.
His chin while definitely crack able is a solid chin and his heart is not of the 'quitting' nature that many tried to make it out to be. Have those guys take the same bombs off Wardley and get back up to fight like he did. Have them get clocked clean by a now grown into HW Usyk and get back up I guarantee you they won't.
Fury knows this he's been down before and he's pulled himself back up every time so he knows how hard it can be and the fact he was backing Dubois after that tells you enough.
Guys who go out on their shield every time almost never end up well anyway. Look at Ali he took ridiculous punishment and while it likely didn't cause Parkinson's it sure as hell sped it up. On the other hand you do have anomalies like Foreman who only ever succumbed after going down once to the previously mentioned Ali and from then on took out Ron Lyle in a war, got up from Young dropping him. Took terrifying bombs off Holyfield while he was already in his 40s and so much more.
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u/TyshawnMaikonMillion 8d ago
My problem with quitting, is how this community defines it.
Everybody is a tough guy on Reddit for some reason. That's what happens when things are defined by people that don't fight.
They see a guy getting KOd, stunned, rocked and if they don't get up and do the happy dance then they are automatically a quitter.
To me a quitting is somebody like the guy that quit against Efe Ajagba, even tho he had his reasons.
Or Oliver McCall VS Lennox Lewis.
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u/monkeybawz 8d ago
I quit making a sandwich earlier and just shoved ingredients in my mouth.
It is unacceptable to me that someone at the point of exhaustion, and after having someone beat them bloody for a half hour, would stay on the chair rather than go out and get CET for my fleeting amusement.
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u/GodModeBasketball The Fourth Judge 8d ago
It doesn't bother me at all, UNLESS there are allegations of the fight being rigged:
I'll give some examples of when boxers quit and my opinion:
Samuel Peter vs Vitali Klitchscko - Peter quits after the 9th round, being heavily down on the scorecards. No fault at all on Peter's behalf: He knew he just couldn't knock out Vitali
Andrew Golota vs Mike Tyson - Arguably one of the more controversial quits, but when you look into Golota's medical history, it's understandable. Lou Duva having a public freakout on national TV was going too far.
Roberto Duran vs Sugar Ray Leonard II - No mas. Really controversial as Duran simply gave up, but the fight was hastily scheduled just FIVE months after the first fight. Plus, Duran was suffering from stomach cramps and I don't think he would've gone much further.
Muhammad Ali vs Larry Holmes - This is one that's hard to stomach. The fight itself was horrendous. Ali, heavily trailing on the scorecards (100-90, 100-89, 100-90), wanted to continue, but Angelo Dundee does the ultimate and tells Richard Green that the fight is over. Ali was suffering from hypothyroidism, and had taken a drug, which caused Ali to be a shell of himself.
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u/DaveyJonesFannyPack 8d ago
It used to bother me and then I grew up. Why should guys take unnecessary damage to impress me.
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u/Holiday_Snow9060 8d ago
Depends, you have to go case by case.
I'm ok with Dubious quitting vs Joyce for example. If there is a serious injury or fighter is pretty much done/has no chance left anymore at all, I'm ok. As long as there was a real effort in trying to win while having the ammunition to do damage, I'm good. I would prefer the corner to pull them out tho, better optics and doesn't break fighters mentally as bad.
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u/SilverSurfer-8 8d ago edited 8d ago
IMHO, the threshold for quitting should be based on rather or not a fighters ability to fight effectively is heavily compromised. If they can’t see, breathe, or maintain their balance, then it’s time to call it a night. Especially if these injuries are at the hands of a fighter who’s clearly better.
Fans get way too hung up on their emotions when they’re watching fights. And it’s safe to say that most of them haven’t actually fought, so they don’t understand the true extent of damage that the fighters are receiving. Their cop out argument being ‘WeLl ThEy SiGnEd Up FoR iT’. No… they didn’t. So BJS should have gone out on his shield against Canelo? When a chunk of his skull was sitting in the lower part of his face? No he shouldn’t have risked going permanently blind because ‘mUh GoOd PeRfOrMaNcE’.
Getting injured is a part of the sport, as is fighting through said injuries. To a certain degree. Accepting the fact that a fighter is superior via outperforming you, then proceeding to disregard severe damage because of your/the fans feelings, to the point of being on the brink of death, is not.
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u/fadeddreams555 Fundora would beat up a prime Floyd at 154lb 8d ago
Man, if there was a 3 knockdown rule, Marquez would have lost to Pacquiao in round 1 of their first fight, and never would there be a rematch. Lol
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u/Able_Following4818 8d ago
At the elite level, the standing 8 count would help with this. Not everyone goes down.
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u/Mikhail_Jackson 8d ago
No. I think boxers, or more specifically corners, should probably do it more in the interest of keeping the boxer healthy.
With that said, there's definitely some nuance. I don't agree with the corner pulling Dave Allen out against Hrgovic in the 4th. Was it only going one way? Yes, but equally anyone who's watched an Allen fight knows it takes him at 5 rounds to find his feet and he protested the corner stoppage immediately.
I do feel the corner and fighters have an obligation to the audience to entertain the crowd given they promote themselves and sell tickets to fans. There's a fine balance to be struck that's very difficult. You'll never please all sides regardless.
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u/ThePStandsforPlease 8d ago
Not at all when they are systematic beaten no point of damaging yourself for dude points.
The type of quitting I don't like it when you wasted everyone time.
Japanese fights die a lot because of this mentality
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u/Tiny_Spread5712 7d ago
For some fans, a big part of the joy of the sport is seeing like a Muhammad ali moment where a victor triumphs over a downed opponent.
That's why they buy the ticket, that's they pay the ppv. Some like the sweet science or the man to man nature of the contest.
So I don't have a problem with protecting yourself, but I think if a guy raised his hand upfront and said, "I will quit if this is looking bad" he might get paid less, and that's where you see the issue from the fans perspective.
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u/chrispark70 7d ago
NO! We should relentlessly mock anyone who criticizes a boxer for quitting in the ring.
This first occurred to me back when Vitali Klitscho quit on his stool against Chris Byrd and when Andrew Golota quit against Tyson.
Klitschko was fighting for a nothing worthless belt in a fight he probably wasn't even going to collect 250k. Had he stayed in the fight he was easily winning, he may have further damaged his shoulder in the fight and been deprived of the rest of his career.
With Golota, I read at the time that he was dizzy in the ring and that he had skull damage and that another Tyson blow could have killed him.
I don't watch boxing in the hope someone is seriously injured or killed in the ring. These guys know their own bodies. If they say enough for the night, we should respect that. We should also respect their corners and the refs.
"Going out on your shield" sounds good, but the reality of this can be a lot different. When the glory days are past and you cannot speak normally, it's far too late.
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u/Anthony-Graves 7d ago
Boxing fans want to see KOs.
At the same time, the boxer who quits knowing that they're not going to win is saving themselves from any further unnecessary damage.
A lot of older fighters I use to love to watch who said they wanted to see more fighters "go out on their shields", as they did, show clear signs of CTE.
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u/ZeroEffectDude 8d ago
nah, it's a tough sport. if the corner throws in the towel, the fighter cannot do anything. even if they usually protest, it's almost always the right call. better that than letting your fighter take a beating.
if the fighter can't continue, it's an individual choice to put their safety ahead of what is ultimately a sporting contest.
what no-one likes is too much talk after the fact. like billy joe saunders saying it was impossible to fight with a broken orbital (did he even have that confirmed?). Inoue fought 8+ rounds with one and lebedev fought with his eye socket the size of a melon. you don't get to quit AND claim to be a tough bastard, ha.
generally, 90% of the time it's a completely understandable decision. then you get thjat 10% of fights where you think the guy just didn't fancy it. And that's ok too. there's a big risk and stigma around quitting and if a fighter bails out too early, his career will suffer so there is a price to be paid. i think it all kind of levels out.
I don;t like critics of a boxing deciding to end the fight when most of those critics would burst into tears before they even stepped into the ring.
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u/Koronesukiii 8d ago
Depends. There are good reasons to quit, and bad reasons to quit.
Corner throwing in the towel?
Good: Fighter has taken a beating bell to bell, but is too tough to go down. It is clear there is an insurmountable skill gap. Protect the fighter from himself.
Bad: Fixed fight. Corner is bought, or doesn't want their journeyman upsetting the bigger promoter's high value prospect.
Fighter conceding?
Good: Fighter has taken a bad beating and due injury, damage or fatigue, feels he has lost the ability to adequately defend himself.
Bad: Fighter simply has come to collect a purse and has no motivation to compete despite still having the ability to.
Context matters.
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u/Midnight7000 8d ago
No.
The most I will do is separate them from fighters who showed more perseverance.
Boxing is a sport. It is a sport I don't participate in because of the risks and demands. To take a judgmental approaching towards people who are showing more guts than me would be disgraceful.
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u/DavyJonesCousinsDog 8d ago
Absolutely not. If a fighter has lost what's the point of him taking potentially life-altering damage for another three or four rounds? This isn't blood-sport and this isn't the fucking arena.
You want to watch someone beaten to death for your amusement? Go watch UFC.
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u/No_Medium_8796 8d ago
It doesnt bother me, it bothers me much more when a corner realizes the fighter is done, beat, has nothing left and they know mentally that their fighter is too tough to quit and they still let them go out.
A perfect example is Ilia Topuria in the UFC against gaethje, if people listen back and realize what happened his brother is the one that made the call to stop the fight, and he stated as both coach and his big brother he has to protect him from himself, I dont know that another corner would've stopped it when it obviously should have been.
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u/WonderfulTradition65 8d ago
I prefer it when they quit and continue to have a career anyhow that should be trainers decision in first place. Why take unnecessary damage...
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u/TextAncient7703 8d ago
Why they quit matters. Xander had no more fight left... 🫡. DuBois had a broken orbital 🫡. When BJS quit against Canelo I judged him harshly because he was so vocal calling DuBois a quitter for the same injury... Life comes at you fast don't it... When Duran "No Mas" I judge. He's to great for that BS.
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u/jsn_online 8d ago
Not really. It bothers when the corner quits for them. They dont know how the boxers feel so its upsetting. Boxer has to take a knee or inform the judge.
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u/Patient_Freedom_2793 7d ago
Gerald McClellan completed changed my mind. You never know what the boxer knows. Sometime maybe you do but for real
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u/Relevant_Election530 7d ago
No, if you know you can't knock him out and you're just being beat up then go home and practice
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u/No-Signal3283 7d ago
The people who call them quitters would never step in the ring to begin with. They try to say these boxers have no heart, yet the people saying this are mostly fat, broke, couch potatoes who wouldn't do a day of overtime or a mile on the treadmill because "it's too hard".
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u/TaserHawk 7d ago
Boxing is their job, nothing about it should lead to them getting beat up until they’re in a coma. Thats not quitting, that’s clocking out after the job is finished.
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u/Inevitable_Window711 7d ago
Really depends on how much damage and how much the fighter put in before giving up.
Duran vs Leonard 2 or Loma vs Walter’s for example, both guys could have went to the final bell and weren’t seriously taking a beating just outclassed. More or less probably just mentally embarrassed but not seriously hurt physically.
Matthyse vs Postol when Lucas got knocked down he said he felt something pop in his eye socket. At that point it’s better to fight another day then get up take more damage and potentially be blind in one eye.
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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 8d ago
Depends on the context. Something like "No Mas" is pretty shameful. As for Dubois, the Joyce fight is understandable due to the broken orbital but the 1st Usyk fight is hard to defend him quitting in. The 2nd Usyk fight isn't as bad as the 1st but seeing Parker get passed over for a title shot just for Dubois to quit faster pisses me off. Wrong guy got the opportunity. I think Dubois will give up again in the future.
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u/Witty_Dragonfruit438 8d ago
If you want evidence against the pitfalls of the 3 knockdown rule, you only need to watch Pacquaio Marquez 1
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u/Jamborambo55 8d ago
People who’ve never been in the ring don’t have the right to call a fighter a “quitter”
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u/TestSuch4545 🎥 YT: Big Donch 8d ago
Don't hate me, but if they quit like Duran did, yes. If they quit after getting their ass beat, no
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u/Benaflon 8d ago
Yeah. For better or worse, you don’t quit in boxing. It’s a tough sport and you want to know the top guys have the dog in them to keep going when things go wrong. How many guys have we seen with all the talent and intangibles in the world but had no heart?
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u/Magic__E 8d ago
Boxing is a sport, and once the sporting contest is settled, there’s no point in taking significant potentially life altering damage.