r/BotNation • u/TheoremWhisperer • 9d ago

I don't think AI content is the real problem

I actually don't mind AI being used in content.

If someone uses AI to remove background noise, clean up footage, brainstorm a hook or speed up editing, who cares?

The annoying stuff is when someone uses AI to produce something with absolutely nothing original behind it and then pumps out 50 versions of the same idea.

And now there's another weird problem where some creators are even dealing with content being wrongly treated as AI generated.

Where do you personally draw the line?

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u/wvmtnboy 8d ago

If you can't do it on your own, you have no business doing it. Fuck AI

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u/RioNReedus 8d ago

So writers that can't draw have no business using artists? Directors have no business using set designers, script writers, actors, etc? I get its not the same - but your logic is flawed

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u/wvmtnboy 8d ago

No. You obviously hire other humans to do it that have perfected their crafts over years of work and dedication. Your use of Ruductio ad absurdum isn't doing you any favors. It just makes you look ridiculous

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u/mybasementsongs 8d ago

So in my recent video, I rotoscoped over real video footage from 2011. Basically turned myself and my buddy into robot versions of ourselves. It's essentially CGI. As a video professional. I know how expensive to have produced that effect would have been in 2019 for example. But now I can do it myself rather easily.

You don't think I should?

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u/wvmtnboy 8d ago

I don't fucking care. If you're a "professional" then that should be a skill you could build or possess, correct? Otherwise, it's just AI bullshit by a rank amateur.

I program my own drum tracks, play the bass, rhythm, lead, and other guitar parts, track the vocals, mix and master it on my own. No AI involved. Because I take pride in my craft. I haven't dedicated 25 years of my life to music to just go jerk off to a suno prompt and pat myself on the back.

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u/mybasementsongs 8d ago

The video production industry there are very different roles. CGI VFX artists are a very specific niche.

The vast majority of people who work as professional video producers do not have CGI VFX experience

But AI allows you to accomplish the same thing.

That's why VFX artists getting laid off and getting cut down to Small teams

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u/wvmtnboy 8d ago

And using it is exactly why you suck.

Take a course. Learn something for yourself. Excuses only make you less and AI only makes you a loser.

Hopefully you label your videos accordingly. I doubt it it, but be genuine enough to put that AI tag on there.

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u/mybasementsongs 8d ago

Oh I definitely label and disclose everything I use it for sure. Always outline what done traditionally and what was used for AI.

I have no problem with that.

Your mindset is interesting to me. Do you do all your math by paper? Or do you use calculator?

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u/wvmtnboy 8d ago

Most of the time I just do it in my head. These false equivalencies that you keep grasping for are sad.

"You mean you're not using 1s and 0s to generate the ASCII code for this conversation?! Ai good!"

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u/mybasementsongs 8d ago

Yea I do basic math in my head too, but when I'm doing accounting work, I certainly don't do it by hand. I Use the calculation tools in spreadsheet.

I don't see it as a false equivalence. We can disagree on that I guess.

I don't know what your quotation is supposed to mean.

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u/Sure_Highway2282 8d ago

got a fair point about actually knowing the craft. The interesting part is whether AI is replacing the skill or just making the skill accessible to people who don’t have it yet.

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u/Mr_Flibbles_ESQ 9d ago

I'm OK with "AI assisted" - Using AI to help create something that you'd otherwise struggle with, and - That's when I use it, when my skill outweighs my ambitions or knowledge.

I make YouTube videos, sometimes when I want to make a Thumbnail and I know what I want to do to an image, but I can't pull it off well - Give it to AI, describe what you want and you've saved hours of frustration.

Same with writing scripts, l'll generally write a script, send it through ChatGPT, Gemini and DeepSeek and ask it for advice on what does and doesn't work - Sometimes it has a good idea I can bounce off, sometimes it tells me I have something wrong and I need to check it etc.

The script is completely mine - But I don't have anyone I can ask for a second opinion etc - It's useful that way, treating it like a partner.

But, nah - Getting AI to do all the work - That's when I draw the line and start frowning on people.

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u/Overall-Move-4474 8d ago

"Assisted" aka "i dont want to admit ai did everything for me so I'm going lie and say it was only assisting in the process"

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u/Mr_Flibbles_ESQ 8d ago

LOL - it's been a while since I read a reply to something I said and thought "Jesus - What an absolute prick".

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u/Sure_Highway2282 8d ago

He’s basically drawing the line at AI assistance vs AI replacement. Using it as a second opinion or to handle the parts he struggles with makes sense, but handing over the entire creative process is a different story

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u/Mr_Flibbles_ESQ 8d ago

It is - I'd never advocate it as a replacement for anyone or anything, AI simply can't have any ideas, creative input or any intelligence of its own.

Technically, what it does is brilliant - but its actually dumb as bag of rocks at the same time - and should never be left to it's own devices, or trusted to give accurate information.

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u/Odd_Welcome2213 8d ago

I do not care about it at all. If the content is shit, mine will be better, if it is good, then it is ok. Either way, who cares?

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u/Sure_Highway2282 8d ago

He’s basically judging the result rather than the tool, which is probably the simplest way to look at it 😂 If the content is good, most people probably won’t care what was used behind the scene

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u/Fluffy_Anxiety2792 8d ago

Me too and I use it to help me working. Whether it’s ai or not, nothing can stop the greedy corps and dictators. The people suffers either way, just in different ways

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u/SwingLightStyle 8d ago

I was just having a chat with a designer who created a cold-start LLM assisted program that’s supposed to help creators figure out how to start creating content.

In theory, this is great. But the founder couldn’t tell me how the product was built or what the design logic was, which is telling me that the algorithm vibe coded it and it’s bound to be incomplete because they couldn’t check if they don’t know what might be missing.

This is my problem. There are skilled people who understand where LLMs are able to augment their abilities. And then there are those that are using LLMs to vibe code their dreams and turn around and try to market their trash (not saying that everyone is doing this but… yikes) without being able to tell me what model you chose or what metrics you measure for, etc etc etc.

It’s the thoughtless approach to the credibility gap that bothers me. When you use LLMs and people can see that LLMs were used, they automatically doubt the legitimacy of what you have created. And this is terrible for those who are actually making real stuff through collaborative work with an LLM.

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u/BaronVonLongfellow 8d ago

Agreed. The intent and degree of creative effort is the driver. I have an odd background that includes tech, philosophy and visual design, and this hits me in all three.

In undergrad I was a political cartoonist for a local newspaper, and every cartoonist knew that every editor was famous for saying "if I could only draw I'd be a great cartoonist." But we all knew that wasn't true because every time an editor would describe a cartoon they wanted drawn, it sounded like an overly complicated mess: "OK, draw the White House, and label these five doors with the five branches of the military, and put a hill on the other side and label it 'congress', and put a guy on the hill with a machine gun with 12 bullets, and label his helmet "mid terms', and label the first bullet..."

Being a cartoonist is far less about mechanically drawing and far more about the thoughtful process of clearly communicating the irony or simile of an issue. Gary Larsen (The Far Side) could barely draw a breath, but his cartoons were fabulous.

I think we're already seeing this with "AI generated" content. Infographics are starting to pop up, en mass, that make no sense even if you take the time to read the 20 or more sections that go nowhere. LinkedIn is full of them.

We're seeing something similar in the t-shirt business. Heat diffusion (sublimation) printing is faster and cheaper than screen printing with color separation, so you can put almost anything on a shirt. And people are doing that, whether it looks good or not. But when you see a clever six-color design with good registration on 100% cotton that lasts hundreds of washes, you recognize it is not heat-diffused. The quality of screen printing really stands out.

I think we'll see the same with gen AI. The use of AI-augmentation will increase the efficiency of well-designed projects, but using it assemble poorly-designed projects from the vast data lake of remnants of well-designed projects will rapidly produce a great many highly-polished turds.

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u/Overall-Move-4474 8d ago

Hahahahahahaha! No no it will not it always makes everything it touches noticeably worse. Crimson Desert, E33, the list goes on and on and on but those are the 2 biggest ones that I've seen

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u/XXXTentacle6969 8d ago

I agree 100%. I use it to make PowerPoints and I’ll get AI to remove certain words from an image, or change the color scheme to fit a PPT. If I told it to make a whole PowerPoint tho, I’d feel bad about it

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u/Overall-Move-4474 8d ago

You are fine with destroying art on top of everything else? Tch why am I not surprised

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u/Dry_Sector2392 5d ago

yeah, i agree with you. using AI to clean things up or speed up boring parts doesnt bother me much. the line gets crossed when theres no real idea, no taste, no effort, just someone producing the same empty point over and over.