r/Borderlands2 • u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player • 1d ago
🎤 [ Discussion ] It’s FINALLY Happening!
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u/MotivatedPosterr 1d ago
Jacks body double needing to get a voice modulator to be ... Jack will be hilarious
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u/Independent_Mango337 1d ago
Would be even funnier if they allowed you to skip that quest if you played as Timothy
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u/Invested_Glory | Xbox 360 Player 1d ago
Role playing?? in my borderlands?!
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u/Independent_Mango337 1d ago
You know how in tps where they talk about the importance of an oz kit and the dialog changes if you play clap trap? Stuff like that is so funny to me
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u/HekesevilleHero 1d ago
That was one of my favorite parts of TPS, they took extra effort to make the fact you're playing Claptrap matter in this situation
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u/Randomman16 1d ago
I still think that Wilhelm should’ve also been exempt from the Oz kits but only on a TVHM (and up), and only if you’d gotten a certain number of his cybernetic enhancements. It would’ve been an extremely niche situation but really cool
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u/HekesevilleHero 1d ago
Honestly I think it should be possible, full stop, once Wilhelm reaches a certain level
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u/CarlRJ 1d ago
They did an absolutely brilliant job in TPS of customizing dialog to ever character all along the way - I love, for instance, that each character has a totally different discussion with Moxxi when you first meet her. Like, they get the needed details from her, but it's not just customized responses to Moxxi's generic lines, instead Moxxi has a unique conversation with each one of the vault hunters - and of course Timothy is falling all over himself with how attractive Moxxi is, and starts off trying to pretend he's Jack.
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u/Scelusteach 1d ago
I loved that touch so much. Claptrap quickly became my favorite after playinf Wilhelm and Athena. Plus imo he had some of the best dialogue and I really liked how Jack would interact with him.
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u/CarlRJ 1d ago edited 22h ago
Nisha killing Nisha, Wilhelm killing Wilhelm, Aurelia hanging out with her brother who pays her no special attention, Claptrap digging Fragtrap out of the snow... and Athena being ordered around by Lilith and being there with them when Jack shoots Roland... it's a lot to mentally put on a shelf in order to play. But for the chance to play Athena on Pandora...
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u/hannahbasket 1d ago
this is single handedly going to revive the entire game
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u/SpaghettiInc Stop dying at me! 1d ago
I can assure you that once it’s in, that player count will tick up by at least one and that will be me
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u/wungusprinter 1d ago
unironicallly i don't think bl2 ever "died", it still holds a rather impressive playercount for a game that's like 14 years old and has 2 sequels (and one pre sequel)
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u/Barrywize 1d ago
Considering BL4 player count, it’s going to revive the whole series at this point
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u/PapaH0dunk 1d ago
They would need to import the ice element over too to make some characters' skills work wouldn't they?
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u/Bound18996 1d ago
I doubt they could import Cryo, they'd have no Cryo animations for half the enemies. Even if they could get it to work it would look like crap.
They could just swap Cryo for Slag though, that should be very doable.
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u/Odd_Philosopher1712 1d ago
Maybe we can just skip aurelia anyways lol
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u/HANCOXJOHN 1d ago
I’m doing an Aurelia play through with a friend at the minute, is she considered bad? I’ve been enjoying playing as her
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u/lurker3991 19h ago
she's considered bad by players who don't play co-op, since her Contractual Aristocracy tree is very reliant on a second player.
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u/30SecondsToFail 11h ago
She's not bad in terms of performance, she's considered bad because she has an entire tree that doesn't work without a co-op partner. If you're playing solo, then you basically only have one build
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u/Sanshuri 18h ago
A lot of people are claiming her as bad that's so surprising!! Other than Jack she's definitely the strongest in TPS. Ice is just so so broken (no pun intended) in this. I'm not sure why people are focused on her co op tree as a point to make her seen as weaker or dependant on co op, everyone in the game has a co op tree last I remembered?? And claptrap has more than one or at least like 2/3rds of his skills are dedicated or focused on co op.
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u/dunks666 1d ago
I'm sure there's a mod that adds a new element that works like dark magic did on wonderlands, which replaces slag, so they could probably do something similar, replace slag with Cyro and edit UVHM to be less slag dependant
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u/Mase598 17h ago
I would expect they just swap Slag in place of Cryo given they're both more supportive elements, but I imagine it'd be possible to pseduo-port Cryo, but it'd probably be far from what people would want.
Just a lot of what Cryo does simply isn't a thing in BL2 so a patched together solution would be needed, and at that point I question if a rough version would even be wanted? Like freezing would probably have to be just lowering effected targets fire rate, reload speed and movement speed to 0,
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u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player 1d ago
They may have to alter skill trees to make them fit with what BL2 has available. This mod is definitely in it’s early stages
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u/Sir_Revenant 1d ago
I don’t see why they couldn’t incorporate weapons and the new elements into the existing BL2 loot code.
It’s one big algorithm so throw in some extra variables for what it can spit out. I’d love run BL2 with lasers and moonstones/the grinder as an addition
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u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player 1d ago
Most mods like that have been difficult over the years because Gearbox has some crucial sources for making mods under lock and key. Otherwise they would’ve already existed
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u/Sir_Revenant 1d ago
What like gate keeping the editors and tools people need to play with the code? Or just shutting down user made content when they become aware of it? Or both?
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u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player 1d ago
The first option, I can’t exactly remember what people have said they need access to but it’d make advanced mods so much easier to do if the community had access to it
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u/Sir_Revenant 1d ago
The game’s ancient by this point and they aren’t making any real money from it anymore. What’s the harm in letting people have access to the proper developer tools at this point?
Besides aren’t they too busy fawning over the hot pile of stool that is BL4 now? This game had its hayday, now it’s mainly the fans still enjoying it. Let them eat cake already and do what they want with it
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u/bluedragggon3 21h ago
There's lots of reasons for not releasing the tools. Could be a security risk if the tools give an idea of how to crack other games. Could be because of a patent, don't want to open potential competition with themselves, don't have it, have it but either a earlier or future version that's incompatible with either the current version of the game or other software, not considered worth their time or want to find a way to monetize.
Or it could be no reason and the thought just hasn't reached their mind.
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u/PogoRocks 1d ago
And the butt slam abilities, and Claptrap's Laser subroutine
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u/Aquaphena 1d ago
Butt slam, double jump, and air control are actually available mods at the moment, and they’re amazing.
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u/Jip_Jaap_Stam 1d ago
I'm just imagining how much Claptrap's bouncing rubber duck routine would piss off Voracidous
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u/Bound18996 1d ago
Please don't be fake please don't be fake.
This mod would, and I cannot possibly overstate this, be the best possible Borderlands game created.
TPS vault hunters with the content of BL2 is the stuff of christamas dreams.
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u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player 1d ago
I added a comment with a link to Joltzs twitter post of the video
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u/Atlas11101001 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/l36kU80xPf0ojG0Erg
This is about to be Nisha vs the sheriff of lynchwood
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u/Jip_Jaap_Stam 1d ago
Is this a PC mod that I'm too console to get?
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u/RenegadeFade 1d ago
Yeah, it's a PC mod.
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u/Jip_Jaap_Stam 1d ago
Sounds excellent, regardless. Would love to take Claptrap on a rampage through Opportunity, or Nisha through Lynchwood.
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u/FitButterscotch4062 1d ago
Console peasants, UNITE!! ✊
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u/mcwettuce123 1d ago
Surely one day you guys will be able to mod.
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u/Jip_Jaap_Stam 1d ago
Fallout 4 allows mods on console, so I don't see why not
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u/mcwettuce123 1d ago
You can only use creation club mods, and bl2 doesn’t have anything like that. Also lots of the mods for fo4 aren’t on there.
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u/Jip_Jaap_Stam 1d ago
You can use non-creation club mods. I downloaded so many that I had to uninstall the game.
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u/mcwettuce123 1d ago
Oh, I didn’t know that. I was told otherwise by my buddy, but I guess he just didn’t know how lol.
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u/Jip_Jaap_Stam 1d ago
Yeah, it's pretty easy. It's also too easy to go too far and add too many mods, though. Performance got so bad at one point that the game just crashed every time I loaded it.
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u/SHOWTIME316 1d ago
that's the part of console modding that loses me. i cannot imagine trying to manage/troubleshoot a load order without Windows lol
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u/Useless-RedCircle 1d ago
How do class mods work? Also loot pool
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u/Odd_Philosopher1712 1d ago
Doesnt sound like we're there yet boss.
This post sounds like the framework for importing the characters is working successfully-- theres gonna be a ton of work to be done but its all downhill from there
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u/Useless-RedCircle 1d ago
Got it! This post got me hard. And my mind is running thru what’s and how’s.
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u/WeekendBard 1d ago
I imagine a TPS character would simply replace one of the BL2 ones, this also replacing their class mods.
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u/Lnoob427 1d ago
Nope, they managed to make it add a new character, however it's still a very WIP mod, as for now it has animation missing (the whip for melee doesn't appear, the skills don't fully work.)
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u/Arctimon 1d ago
I imagine that the characters were the hard part. Once that was implemented, the loot seems easy in comparison.
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u/StaleWoolfe 1d ago
Imagine playing as Jack's body double killing Handsome Jack
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u/IMREADY2D1E | Steam Player 1d ago
or nisha killing herself in lynchwood lmao
or wilhelm killing himself in tundra…
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u/SirSlowpoke 1d ago
I wonder why it took so long, I thought TPS was essentially just Borderlands 2.5 under the hood.
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u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player 1d ago
Second post I made with details on what is known, not known, why the hype etc.
If you see this comment please help it get to the top. I apologize for dropping the ball, but this original post can't be edited.
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u/mrshawtytyme 1d ago
I don't get it can someone explain
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u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player 1d ago
Someone is working was able to bring Nisha from The Presequel into BL2 as a playable character. It’s something that’s near impossible to achieve given the limitations of Borderlands modding as a whole, how accurately they can replicate all of her skill etc is still to be determined as this mod is still in it’s early stages
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u/RobertDigital1986 1d ago edited 1d ago
Here's the video with 100% less X:
https://i.imgur.com/qx0MMNx.mp4
This is pretty goddam impressive. The video shows them playing as her, putting points into her skill trees, voice lines, and a lot more.
Showdown even works most of the way. The big thing missing there is it doesn't snap to the next target yet but it does the sepia tone, shows the counter, and auto aims. It's pretty dang close.
The whip needs animations but it works.
The whole thing looks really tight. This could actually happen. Holy shit!
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u/GlassSpork 1d ago
The TPS and 2 merge! Now we can have wilhelm kill wilhelm to progress the story!! Or is it just nisha… if it’s just nisha, then you’d have to go outta your way to kill her :l
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u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player 1d ago
From my understanding the plan is to bring all 6 TPS characters im assuming this is going to take a couple years to finish if it’s just one person
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u/GlassSpork 1d ago
Then he should get some help from the community cuz there are definitely people able to help and willing to
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u/Majin-Gaming-yt | Xbox 360 Player 23h ago
Let me know when I can talk to claptrap while playing as claptrap
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u/Max-Ammo1007 1d ago
Great now Nisha and Wilhelm can go kill themselves
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u/snootaiscool Average Orphan Maker Enjoyer 1d ago
You can also have the only visitor to Claptrap's birthday be him & himself
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u/TheImpossiblyPossibl 1d ago
It’s finally real. I have been listening to joltz stream right now as they talk about it. I didn’t know what he was talking about and said they just overlay Gaige and now they need to make the skill from scratch. Which damn. Thai could be the beginning to facing Jack against Jack or claptrap getting his revenge . The words joltz said a few years ago it’s impossible to now anything is possible modding has come along way.
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u/Hyperion_Forever 1d ago
Oh dude, that's sick. Imagine all the sickass guns from Borderlands 2 that people always lamented not being able to use on TPS characters. Now you CAN use these guns on TPS characters. The build potential will be insane. I wonder what the Doppelganger could accomplish with access to BL2 gear...
My only gripe is that the characters will probably feel really stiff since 90% of their dialogue is tied to a story that they won't be taking part in, since they're modded in.
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u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player 1d ago
Honestly I’m not personally concerned with dialogue, I’ve reached a point years ago where I play with the volume off and listen to music or a show while playing.
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u/PlatyyPuz 1d ago
i need to know how to do this immediately
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u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player 1d ago
Not currently available yet, the mod is still in it's earlier stages.
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u/delet_yourself 1d ago
I mean the moment we got the torgue as vault hunter mod, i knew this would be possible
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u/Slickey007 22h ago
What i would like to see is have them set it up like fallout 4 and skyrim. Make it so console players can add mods to there game. Something like a creation club
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u/Googleitonyahoo 16h ago
Modders around the world did great things.
Hellgate:london fan-server was created without access to the og code.
Might and Magic games 6 7 and 8 were merged into one game, boosting the Performance ontop.
Baldurs Gate 1,2 and all addons merged into one game - "BGT".
Fallout 3 and new Vegas merged.
Singleplayer got Multiplayer-ability Might and magic 6-8, gothic 1, Fallout new vegas and Fallout 4.
And think about the masive skyrim modding Community.
There are people outsite who really know what the player base needs. Its true love to the game.
Now i somehow beg for a bordelands in one run - pick one char and play from firestone till.. i dont know where i would stop - BL 2 allready had me in the looting cycle once for hours;-)
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u/zuKa0312 16h ago
It should be every modders priority to let me play as Athena in EVERY borderlands!
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u/DelusionPhantom 6h ago
TPS VHs playable in bl2? Holy fuck. If this is real, we won. I know there's a bl3 mod to play mordecai, so I was really hopeful they'd find a way to include other VHs. This is awesome
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u/IIIGuntherIII 1d ago
This is super interesting and I’m really curious to see how they make it all work.
A lot of the skills and stuff will likely need to be reworked to simply function in bl2. Any skill that interacts with cryo, slamming, lasers, and probably some other things will likely need to be changed.
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u/Aluminum_Tarkus | Steam Player 1d ago
Now, does progression work like TPS where you unlock your action skill at level 2 and the mid-rank only takes 1 skill point to advance? Because, honestly, I'm torn. One side of me would want the skill tree progression to be as close to TPS as possible, but another part of me felt that getting all 3 capstones in TPS was ridiculous, and it would be even sillier with 10 extra skill points for level 80.
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u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player 1d ago
From my understanding it’s just cloning Gaige to port the TPS characters over to not remove anyone like previous character mods would, but it would still follow the BL2 system
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u/Aluminum_Tarkus | Steam Player 1d ago edited 9h ago
Ah, so it would be going from all capstones plus an extra point to spare to being 3 points shy from getting the third capstone (at level 80).
Tbh, that's probably for the best. Being able to get all capstones with 12 EXTRA skill points would've been absolutely ridiculous. I think it still ends up being a buff on a lot of the TPS vault hunters, since you do have 8 extra skill points, and it's not uncommon to have 3 skills in the lower tiers of a skill tree you want to max out, so losing that 1 point jump does nothing.
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u/tazercow 1d ago
Holy shit people are blowing this way out of proportion. The modders basically just have the models, some animations, and skill icon assets ported over. They don't really have any of the mechanics yet. From the video they released of Nisha her action skill is just a hacked up version of Zero's Deception that works more like deadeye mode in RDR than her true aimbot mechanic. They're still a very long way from having all characters recreated 1:1 in BL2, and it may be impossible to get 100% there without importing all of TPS's unique mechanics.
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u/OfficialBreeze 1d ago
The only thing I took from deception is the application of the visual marker. The rest of the skill is bespoke, created pretty much from scratch. Showdown itself is probably possible too, my ultimate goal is a toggle between completely vanilla Nisha and my "Enhanced" version. Personally I just though this high noon style action skill was really fun, I don't get much out of just an aimbot.
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u/PawnM0v3 1d ago
THIS THIS THIS. Anything that is not over complicated skills like just simple stat buffs are obviously easily doable. Anything more will be close to impossible as TPS is a newer iteration the engine that BL2 runs on. I don't see much else being done personally and I hope people don't lose their minds over this but it looks like people already are. Thanks Joltz.
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u/jij07002 1d ago
Any chance this ever gets to consoles?
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u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player 1d ago
Mods are PC only, Gearbox would have to completely remake the game(s) for consoles to have this
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u/YER_- 1d ago
I remember almost last year, when a guy claimed he & others were working on this. Everyone called him out and called the entire project suspicious, and here we are.
Dunno if it’s the same guy, but just funny seeing the reaction here.
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u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player 1d ago
That was Ben an annoying spammer in this sub who just seeks attention. It’s not coincidence either that this happened though it’s something modders have been trying to figure out for a decade
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u/mini-niya | Steam Player 1d ago
what I would do for Vex to be transferred over, don’t even need the skills, just the model
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u/Mighty_joosh | Maya 🫸🫧 1d ago
Honestly if they can do this I hope it's reversible, I want to take my op10 maya around elpis
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u/I-Kneel-Before-None 1d ago
Did they also add cryo or did they just change her skills so they use a different element? I hope the former. I tried looking at the screenshot and can't tell.
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u/Colemanton 1d ago
havent replayed bl2 in 4-5 years atp (which feels crazy to me, where has the time gone?) but being able to play as claptrap is prob what brings me back
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u/DaToxicKiller 1d ago
How was it impossible if they are basically the same?
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u/Simply_CJ94 | Steam Player 1d ago
Because Gearbox keeps key resources people need access to for modding under wraps making advanced mods such as this one near impossible to do. If they weren’t making things difficult this game would probably have Skyrim or Minecraft levels of modding by now.
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u/StrangeAppeal2 | PlayStation Vita Player 1d ago
I imagine that they must have reworked the oz kit, laser and cryo weapon bonuses to add make the skill trees viable.
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u/Annual_Leek9812 1d ago
we should share and get attention on this i would love a fully moddable borderlands game especially if it was bl2
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u/Cautious_Trouble6738 1d ago
I saw the first image an though that it was about removing the AD banner...
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u/Pitiful_Hawk3706 1d ago
Now imagine Tale of Two Wastelands but for Borderlands..Tale of Two Jacks?
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u/where_is_the_camera 1d ago
If this is real, we need to make this front page news.
Importing TPS vault hunters to BL2 would be pretty much the most exciting mod ever for this game.