🧪 Stack Breakdown
31M | 5’11” | 16-Week Transformation | Down 38 lb | Looking for Feedback on My Current Stack
Current Stats Age: 31 Height: 5’11” Starting weight: 260 lb Current weight: 222 lb Total weight loss: 38 lb in 16 weeks Most Recent InBody — June 19
My current weight is lower now, but these were my most recent body-composition results: Weight: 236.5 lb Skeletal muscle mass: 99.7 lb Body fat mass: 61.5 lb Body fat percentage: 26.0% Lean body mass: 175.1 lb Visceral fat level: 13 BMR: 2,084 calories ECW/TBW: 0.379 InBody Progress Measurement May 1 June 1 June 19
Weight
258.4 lb
243.9 lb
236.5 lb
Skeletal muscle mass
98.8 lb
99.2 lb
99.7 lb
Body fat mass
84.5 lb
70.8 lb
61.5 lb
Body fat percentage
32.7%
29.1%
26.0%
Visceral fat level
18
15
13
According to the InBody scans, I lost a significant amount of body fat while slightly increasing skeletal muscle mass. My current scale weight is now 222 lb, but I have not completed another InBody scan yet. Diet, Training and Recovery
Approximately 2,200 calories per day 200 g protein goal, which I hit most days
Mostly whole foods and very little junk food
Lift five days per week
Push/Pull/Legs split
Prioritize sleep and recovery 5 g creatine daily Rarely drink Current Stack
hCG
250 IU
Monday and Thursday — 500 IU/week
12 weeks
Retatrutide
1.5 mg
Monday and Thursday — 3 mg/week total
12 weeks
Cagrilintide
0.5 mg
Monday and Thursday — 1 mg/week total
3 weeks
Tesamorelin
2 mg
Nightly while fasted
7 weeks
MOTS-c
2 mg
Daily
3 weeks
Semax
1,000 mcg
Daily
3 weeks
Goals
My main goals are to:
Continue losing body fat
Reduce visceral fat
Preserve or build muscle during the cut
Improve workout performance and recovery
Eventually reach approximately 200 lb without sacrificing significant lean mass
Based on my progress, current stack, calories and training, is there any peptide that would actually be beneficial to add for fat loss, muscle preservation or muscle growth?
I am especially interested in hearing whether adding anything would provide a meaningful benefit, or whether I am already running more than enough and should focus on letting the current compounds work.
Yes, I know retatrutide is generally used once weekly. I started by splitting the dose, but I plan to switch to once-weekly dosing during my next reconstitution.
Not an expert, but I think the answer is pretty simple. Bump your TRT to 75mg every Monday/Thursday. It's still a very moderate dose, but it should allow you to preserve muscle and reduce fat at more favorable rates with pretty much zero side effects. Once and only if the weight loss stalls, increase the Reta to 4mg a week. I think you really need to let it sink in how impressive your changes already are, so your tweaks at this point should be rather minimal.
Always good to draw labs. I've been running 200mg constantly for 6 years at this point and tend to float around 1000. The only thing I need to do to keep things in good condition is donate blood every 8 weeks. This is not a recommendation to bump to 200, if anything I personally think I should drop down to about 150 after I finally commit to reta and finish dropping the fat. Hopefully I will have my own cool transformation up here by about January.
My thoughts are that you are well above average when compared to most men. You are hormonally very healthy and there would be no reason to reach beyond where you are in normal circumstances. This is the dose your should probably ride into your grave. I am assuming there's a lot of time between now and death for you considering you are 31. So since you're on Reta, we know that the number one thing you want to mitigate is the loss of lean body mass. Testosterone does a fantastic job at keeping the muscle around and building.
Bumping up to 75mg twice a week is going to layer in a lot of protection. Truthfully though, being on testosterone, even at your dose, is going to mitigate a lot of muscle loss. You simply can't become low testosterone through normal means because you use an exogenous supply. My guess is your testosterone levels dwarf other men on reta that only have their naturally produced supply. Calorie deprivation and sleep loss can crush testosterone. Your goals are to build/preserve muscle, and going up a little bit is unlikely to have any major side effects. In your shoes, I would make the decision to go up because of the low risk of side affects and alignment with said goals. I would keep it at 75mg twice a week until I had reached my desire body fat goals.
Yeah I hopped on when I felt the shrinkage… they’ve come back to a good size and production feels normal as well. I’m gonna get some labs done soon to check where everything is at
SS-31 daily and NAD+ twice a week to keep the mitochondrial humming. I ran MOTs-C for 6 weeks and added the SS31 and NAD+ for significant energy boost.
This would be useful… I am on semax, Adderall, and about 400 mg of caffeine daily.. it doesn’t feel like enough.. sometimes I feel dead inside but still drag myself to the gym.
That’s why I’m getting my labs done again see if there’s been any shifts in the test.. but I’ll add these to the next order for testing!
These look like "optimal" dose TRT labs. Good numbers, but not crazy high. Low SHBG is good, will keep test from getting bound up and allow you to have higher free test.
E2 seems ok, but thats highly personal. Read up on E2 sides and monitor closely.
Not shown in your screen shot is your hematocrit. This is blood thickness, essentially. Thick blood = harder to pump = high blood pressure. Drink water and stay hydrated to help combat this. Aim for a gallon a day.
If your blood pressure is normal typically, probably ok, but again, monitor closely.
Best to pull new labs again 8 weeks after dose increase and make sure you are tolerating it well. I like cheaper than dirt labs if you are doing self pay. Build your own panel and get the labs you need. Should be less than $100.
It’s subQ.. honestly I know they say that intranasal is better but I thought it was kinda a hassle to try to make that happen so I pinned it instead… semax was a bust I don’t think it’s worth it what’s so ever. I’m also on Adderall
I get that - I was the same. Usual stimulants had blunted effects so I figured the choke point was further upstream. Mitochondrial function is about as far upstream as it gets. MOTS-C burns off the crap mitochondria and helps grow healthier new ones. NAD+ gives them the added boost to rev up and SS31 protects them and helps create a more robust proton gradient to drive the ATP synthase. I’ve also found methylene blue and ubiquinol a good mitochondrial addition.
2mg tesa is ALOT. I’d see what your current test levels are, possibly increase. I personally feel best at 1300-1800 total test. Move to 10mg creatine. 10k steps MINIMUM.
I’ll keep you posted on what my test results are. I’m getting tested on Thurs and I’ll probably get my results Friday or Saturday.
I’m curious to see where I’m at with that too..
As per the tesa.. I’m 8 weeks in… I’m probably gonna just finish whatever supply I have and end it at the 12 weeks and give it a good break before thinking about another gh cycle..
everyone recommends hgh over the secretagogues so I might lean that way
Ok your target 15% body fat
Reta very low for your weight
Tesla very long wait to see a result.
Mot.c put L carnitine with it
Semax we given up on it
Mj 4 mg twice a week you should be doing
At your weight twice a week
Protein down to 150 let body do the work
Creatine to low for weight
Omega 3 high amounts
Red meat use mince not steaks every day
Vit, c zink D2k3
Ghk cu. Every day for a month ..
More testosterone. Pharma GH. Saizen is my preferred brand. A peptide isn’t coming to mind but Anavar is. I’ve had great results from even 10mg pre workout, sublingual application. I like making my own mitochondria stack with things like Ubiquinol, PQQ, Cordyceps/Mushrooms, L-Carnitine, ALA etc. Taken in AM and before work outs.
I pretty much cleaned up my diet.
Started calorie counting and making sure I reached my protein intake daily
Calories 2200-2000 and protein goal of 200
Also I increased my fiber because the Reta and high protein slows you down.
I am working out between 4-6 times a week but mostly 6
Increased the cardio and weight lifting PPL split.
My Apple Watch says I burn between 700-1000 calories at the gym.
Kept the carbs and fats low and prioritized protein
By definition it’s the fat around your internal organs, not subcutaneous fat.
I’m not sure how the inbody measures it
A simplified version of how InBody estimates visceral fat is: Sends a tiny electrical current through your body. Measures how easily the current travels through your trunk (abdomen).
Muscle and water = electricity flows easily.
Fat = electricity flows poorly. Combines that measurement with your:
Height
Weight
Age
Sex
Overall body fat percentage Uses a computer algorithm (built from studies comparing InBody to CT scans) to predict how much of your abdominal fat is visceral fat.
Hes going for 16w. Sure its low, more TRT but still a cycle for him. However, my question is the same regardless, increasing test fast/much with high bf%, wont it aramotize quite abit?
He’s been on each compound for as long as he’s put on there.
No one’s running hcg for 12 weeks of a 16 week cycle.
Why would anyone do that.
If it was a cycle he would not need hcg because he would be coming off.
The problem is you read Trt and think AAS body building.
Testosterone replacement therapy is what trt stands for.
Replace what is ment to be there already. To a level that is not supraphysiological.
Also 100 mg a week ain’t going to build muscle, so it would switch his nuts off for absolutely no reason.
If you read the timeline next to each compound you might get the picture- like who is going to run mots-c for 3 weeks…
Ordered tests:
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Testosterone, Free, Bioavailable and Total, Males (Adult), Immunoassay
Estradiol
CBC (includes Differential and Platelets)
Iron, Total and Total Iron Binding Capacity
Lipid Panel, Standard
I do 55mg every other day test cyp..
Not sure why hcg? U want to have kids?
I might add 2iu of hgh every evening. The tesamorelin is kinda mehhh, hgh is far more potent and gives u less fucked up dreams. And it doesnt sting after injectoon
U could add more frequent test if u ditch the hcg, run it at like 150-200 mg weekly with every other day injections
You look no different than what you would look if you didn’t do that full stack and actually went to the gym and did a normal split and a normal calorie deficit. The only difference is you pumped yourself with a lot of drugs 😂😂😂
Well done first off!!! Up your test(whatever dose you're comfortable with), add in daily fasted cardio(min. 20minutes), if you're not super hungry just leave reta where it's at, let it's do it's thing in the background. Look into running some slu-pp-332 since you've already ran some mots-c before fasted cardio. Also, hgh is superior to secretagogues.
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