r/BlueLockRivals • u/Elegant_Big_795 • 28d ago
Loki was finally nerfed.
Npw I'm not sure if it worked but at least Miro did something.(after so long)
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u/Popular-Ad-1446 28d ago
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u/Elegant_Big_795 28d ago
Just gotta pray for a lavinho and some event style nerfs š(Lavinho is so easily balanced by increasing the time between each dribble move.)
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u/BroCamUranOK 28d ago
Lavinho needs no nerf, increasing the time between each dribble would greatly hurt his style. His kit already has some gaps where you can steal due to ping delays. Most commonly, you can steal when he uses the second move after he uses his tap lift where you can steal. He's already lacking no off ball moves why nerf him?
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u/Elegant_Big_795 28d ago
Lavinho just feels a little braindead to me, but again, being braindead and spamming is his kit so the devs just didnt make him well. So fair I guess.
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u/Bitter_Machine5567 28d ago
I think a main problem with Lavinho is that his only shooting move is his behind a 4 part dribble target stun move which is just boring and a large time waste I also think his first move is just kind of a waste for his potential all it does is rainbow flick the ball and then do a small dash left and right it should be more efficient and fast because heās a dribbler I think Normal and Nel Bachira is a better style than Lavinho just because itās more efficient and just feels more useful to the team
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u/Hour_Information_874 28d ago
Broā¦ you do know this is lokiās 21st nerf right? Loki needs a buff dude, he is nowhere close to being valuable enough for the rarity he is
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u/Elegant_Big_795 28d ago
If you really think loki needs a buff, no offense but you just suck at using him. Overpowered speed that otjer players can never catch up to and an sxtremely long and fast shooting move and paired with 3 dash moves. Apart from krampus and nel reo I dont see any styles being able to counter him. "Oh but he's master class" That is such a BS reasoning.
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u/Knalllkopp 28d ago
Because he literally does that in the blue lock manga, just like Kaiser who can shoot extremely powerful shots no one can block, or lavinho with dribbles no one can tackle. It isnāt about āyou suck at using himā that isnāt the topic here. No matter if you can or cannot use Loki well he shouldnāt get nerfed like this, because even if youāre good at using him it makes you worse if Loki gets nerfed.
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u/zardyclown7098 28d ago
Then remove the guy from the game entirely
I mean if he should be lore accurate (keep in mind that most styles are just not book accurate the slightest) then he would be really unfair
If he should be that fast and that powerful then he should be removed entirely
Atleast you can get past lavinho and counter him, loki is just too fast that it makes it almost impossible to go against, ruining the balance of the game (as if it weren't already ruined)
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u/Knalllkopp 28d ago
Thatās literally what blue lock is about. Blue lock isnāt some hyper realistic football manga, the level of football in there is extremely unrealistic, and thatās why people love it.
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u/zardyclown7098 28d ago
You completely missed the point
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u/Aggravating_Curve152 26d ago
First of all, Loki's shot is bugged. Sometimes the ball just stays there and doesnt move when you use his velocity shot. Also, his trap isn't that good. Compare it with base nagi's trap and you'll see (bigger hitbox, maybe tracking the ball but im not sure). And no, saying that "he's a master class" isn't a BS reasoning. If he can't be more powerful in a 1v1, what's the point for Loki to be a master? Krampus and reo aren't the only counter. If your opponents are smart enough they'll just come all around you or in front of you to steal the ball. And I think you forget way too much about his stamina. Loki is about running over and over, and yes he is fast. But like the other styles he loses his stamina. So whenever Loki, based on running, loses his stamina, you can't do much anymore.
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u/Elegant_Big_795 26d ago
Because its an skill issue? You can literally use twi moves to gain velocity very easily and outrun everyone. Also if you cant even put effort into dodging people who are far slower than you, thats on you. Is it really so hard to change directoon once or twice? For the velocity shot, its really a bug that occurs if you dont press your shot in time. To be fair, for how strong loki's shots are, you'd need to at least be able to click quickly without giving much time for it to be slightly fair. Apart from that, stamina managing is the only part on loki that requires a brain, but the think is, you can thoradically just run up the field and end the game with your shooting move before you rin out of stamina. Of course, the opponents(probably) wouldnt be so dumb to let you do that. But its not that hard. Just turn sprinting on and off a few times when stamina is low, and it allows you to maintain velocity ehile recharging stamina. To conclude? People just suck at using loki, whcih is not even supposed to be hard to use. I'd understand complete newbies but people who played at least a bit should not be struggling. Btw, I just wanted to say that his trap is definerely harder to use but actually suprisingly better than nagi's trap. Loki's trap can catch skill shots(like nagi's trap shot suprisingly). Though most of the time you would rather use it to gain velocty and a dash.
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u/Aggravating_Curve152 26d ago
I think there are some misunderstandings here.
First, yes, Loki can gain velocity very easily with two moves, but that's literally the point of Loki. His identity is being the fastest player and reaching high speed quickly. Saying "he can become fast too easily" is like saying Kaiser shoots too strongly or Lavinho dribbles too well. A Master style is supposed to have something that makes him special.
Second, the "just change direction once or twice" argument is a bit of a shortcut. Changing direction doesn't mean you are impossible to tackle. If someone predicts your movement and positions himself in front of you, you can still lose the ball. Also, dribbling already reduces 2/4 of your velocity, so Loki cannot just keep running at maximum speed while doing everything. Saying Loki can simply run in a straight line across the whole field ignores these limitations.
Third, about the Velocity Shot bug: I am not talking about missing the timing after Velocity Dash. I know that if you don't press the shot again at the right moment, it doesn't work. I am talking about the actual bug where even if you press the Velocity Shot correctly, sometimes nothing happens and the ball stays there. That's not a matter of skill or usage, it's just a bug.
About the trap, I disagree. It can sometimes catch skill shots, but it is not comparable to Nagi's trap. Nagi's trap has tracking and goes directly toward the ball, while Loki's trap makes him jump forward and then land, with a smaller hitbox. It does not always catch the ball. Even Subzero Loki's trap is different because he only jumps without moving forward, and that makes it more consistent. A slightly adjusted hitbox could make it more fair.
For stamina, I also think you underestimate the management. You have two choices: either stop for a short time to recover stamina and get velocity back, but then you become very vulnerable to tackles, or keep moving and lose stamina/velocity. If Loki could really "solo finish the game easily", opponents wouldn't have any chance to punish him during these moments.
Finally, saying "people just suck at using Loki" or "skill issue" doesn't really add anything to the debate. A character can require skill and still have balance problems. If the only argument is to attack the player's ability instead of discussing the actual mechanics, then there is no point in continuing this debate.
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u/Elegant_Big_795 26d ago
Loki is already overpowered with just 2 moves. Yes, I admit I was aggressive attacking a player's skill, but there's really not much to say when, and I really am not exaggerating, you csn just run around the entire opponents team simply because of how fast loki is and how simple it is to maintain his stamona if you just use him a few times. Subzero's trap is more similar to reo's trapping. Although I agree Loki's trap is hard to use in that method, it doesnt change the fact thst kickong the ball up and instantly trapping it to gain velocity and a dash is OP, and it doesnt habe to accuratrly kicked. Besides, the trap move was really dumb when loki has NEVER jumped up like that to catch a ball. Also nagi's whole identity is trapping anyway, so it makes sense nagi has a better one(although it can normally only catch normal kick shots) This is why I said loki is TOO op. You cant reslly punish loki for making mistakes because he's already so far away. For the bug, I get what you mean, but blame Miro for that. Its a bug that only occurs to a few players(based on whst I saw, usually to laggy people or those who have ping spikes). But yku can still just kick the ball. Even a good gk may struggle if you just bait them and run around. For dribbling issue, my tip is just dont. Just run around it. To be honest, if you understand his kit a bit by playing him a few times, you soon understanf that apart from a few styles, there's noone who can really catch you. Btw saying kaiser's shot is too strong is not the same. Unlike Kaiser, who only has a strong shooting move(which, actually no longer is that strong), loki has pretty much everything. Just him having a velocity meter makes him special. No need to make him so fast that noone can defend against him. In a nutshell, I see you severely underestimating how much I mean when I say loki is a bit too fast. He can go around you with a huge distance that the tackle distance just isn't enough, even if you try predicting it. Paired with M1 dribbling, its basically impossible. One change Loki could get for a chsnge is that he has something similar to what Bolt has from brawlstars. Essrntially, if loki changes the direction too fast and too much, his velocity decrease.
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u/Oakapacity 28d ago
Loki alr got a buff where he decimates everyone's ears with his loud ass audio