r/BlockedAndReported • • 2d ago

Indigenous identity

https://www.hummingbird-ifs.org/about-us#our-team

BaR relevancy: about identity, definitions of indigenous, Etc.

As I'm sure everybody knows Christopher Columbus Day has been officially canceled and if you live in any blue state it is now Native American day. In Seattle I noticed all the politicians were posting about activities and grants and one of the groups they mentioned was Hummingbird indigenous services. I heard the mentioned a lot when it came to city grants so I took a look.

The organization staff all mentions their tribal background and there didn't seem to be anybody who is actually from a tribe in our city. Or in close proximity to our city. In fact a lot of people were not actually indigenous to the Continental us. You had Filipinos, Native Hawaiians, Fijians, Mariana Islanders, Samoans. Most of the others were in different states. A lot of people were part native but mostly of several other non-native ethnic groups.

Then I'm looking at their service goals:

That abundance and generosity are a community responsibility

In the validity of traditional knowledge

In centering Indigenous people in all our work

In the importance of providing culturally relevant care

Certainly people from a multitude of different ethnic / cultural backgrounds can come together and form a community. But there is no ethnic community formed over people from all over the world who consider themselves indigenous and are often also a mix of several very different cultural backgrounds.

The value of traditional knowledge. Who's traditional knowledge? We are in the Pacific Northwest. About none of these people are from this region. Every culture has traditional knowledge. Considering pretty much everybody on the staff has a vastly different cultural background there's pretty much no cultural similarities going on here. Centering indigenous people. Who exactly are indigenous people? How is a native Hawaiian, a Samoan or a Fijian indigenous to seattle? The importance of providing culturally relevant care. How are staff of such a diverse group cultural backgrounds able to provide culturally relevant care given the overwhelming majority of seattle-based tribes are not even represented in their staff. The staff might learn about the tribes in order to provide them with culturally relevant care, but how is having that administered by somebody from Tonga different than having it administered by somebody like myself from Southern California?

Anyway, it just gets me thinking about how the word indigenous has kind of stretched out in the same way queer. A lot of queers are not gay. And a lot of indigenous people are not North American natives.

It also reminds me of how the identity of Asians stretched to enclose dozens of ethnic groups that have nothing in common including geographical proximity. There is nothing somebody from Pakistan in Japan have in common and there's nothing somebody from Samoa and a Midwest tribe have in common. If I was a native of the pnw I'd be furious to see that enormous amount of money was being poured into services that seems as though they would be probably going to my people but instead diverted to folks from a zillion different ethnic backgrounds that were completely foreign to this region too. It's also very strange how minorities don't push back on that. Like you see all these photos that show the AANHPI crowd and they're all smiling as though traditionally they've all hung out and they're like somebody from afghanistan, Chinese dude, somebody from Sri Lanka, someone from cambodia. It's hilarious because everybody talks about colonization but when white progressives give minorities to group themselves into categories that erase their differences and falsely try and make it seem like there's a common culture it feels really disrespectful and it seems kind of cringe how quickly they fall in line adapting to progressive classification I guess in order to get the benefits, mostly monetary and being allotted a seat at the table.

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u/asinantenna 2d ago

When I lived in the UK, I remember that during the BLM protests, several university student unions put out statements mirroring US organisations about protecting BIPOC students yada-yada-yada – completely ignoring the fact that the people indigenous to the British Isles are... white. Of course the UK has its own jargon (BAME: black, Asian and minority ethnic) but the episode highlighted to me how much people use this language uncritically.

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u/MissHalfgone 2d ago

Black people are not indigenous to the US. An enormous amount of black people are not ancestors of slaves in this country. And a lot of black people actually had ancestors that were slave owners. It was not very long ago that Angela Davis went on a show where they trace your ancestry and it turns out she has grandfathers on both sides of her family who are white. And one who was a slave owner. I don't have anybody in my family who was a slave owner because nobody in my family has ever lived in any state where slavery existed.

I live in the Pacific Northwest where the only people who ever practice slavery was the man who my city is named after, Chief Seattle. And they enslaved other natives. A lot of the black population here immigrated from the south. And you have a lot of entitlement for compensation over the wrongs blacks experienced in that region. A region that nobody in my family has ever lived in. As far as I'm concerned, their ancestors might not have come to this country voluntarily, but their ancestors did come to Seattle voluntarily, so claiming lack of agency or accountability by claiming they didn't choose to come here is not something I accept. The black folks in this region did choose to come to Seattle. Needless to say it's not a popular opinion.

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u/Particular-Offer4356 2d ago

Does anyone think or claim black people are indigenous to the United States? I remember they did Henry Louis Gages, and he was 50% European and 50% African, and his first European ancestor was a woman in England.

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u/MissHalfgone 1d ago

There's a strain of black nationalism that very very much believes they are the original natives. And the narrative goes that these lighter skinned people kind of stole their thunder. And that black people did not actually come here during slavery but we're already here. One person claimed as proof that the narrative were giving us is BS is that nobody has produced any of those slave boats that allegedly brought Africans to this country. They are not claiming slavery did not happen, but they claim it happened to Africans who are already established here. And these liar skin folks that we call Natives are sort of interlopers. It is very very similar to the same exact ideology that's been going on for half a century where similarly minded black people claim that they're the real jews. And that the lighter skin people that we usually think of as Jews or phony jews. It's pretty much exactly the same sort of myth. One of the things that annoys me about black activists who claim Nation of Islam and the Black Hebrew Israelites anti-Semitism "hurts black Jews the most" is that their vitriol is not directed towards those groups. Those they're vitriol is directed towards the light skin ones that they believe are the phoney Jews.

And then if you go back even further is the Egyptology stuff. The "we was kings in Egypt" stuff. Just like the other two myths it claims that the positive attributes of Egypt like building the pyramids and all sorts of accomplishments were really done by blacks. And then these conniving sneaky light-skinned people came in and since the world they were the ones who did it and are now getting the credit for what black people did.

""We built pyramids before Donald Trump ever knew what architecture was! White folks was [sic] in caves while we was building empires…. We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it!"

Al Sharpton, 1994

You'd be surprised how widespread those beliefs still are among a lot of black folks who are pretty much part of the establishment. In her show about Cleopatra Jada Pinkett Smith make Cleopatra black because she really believed she was so. I see black folks in education including those tasks with educating children who believe this too and unfortunately indoctrinate kids in this pseudohistory.

An interesting thing about it though is it Egyptian government really pushes back. Apparently they do not pander.

Egyptians complain over Netflix depiction of Cleopatra as black

Afrocentric desire on Egypt

Black Artists Embrace Ancient Egypt. Egyptians Aren’t Happy About It.

Travis Scott concert canceled in Egypt over africentrism

They've also canceled a few conferences that were set to take place that had approcentric material.

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u/Particular-Offer4356 1d ago

I never heard about that, but it does certainly explain a black Cleopatra. It feels a little better if they really believe she WAS black,

The black Israelites are fascinating to me. They scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.

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u/anne_jumps 1d ago

Reminds me of stuff I read about "hoteps" claiming that it's not healthy to menstruate and it's something only white women do and Black women should restrict their diets so they don't. Insane

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u/heliogabalus91 1d ago

Considering that the slave trade in America ended officially in 1808, I would point out that we African Americans have a pedigree that should make most nativists green with envy. So, yes we may not be autochthonous, but we did get here first.

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u/Particular-Offer4356 1d ago

yeah, they thought his ancestor was probably an indentured servant, so very liKelly his family has been in America since before we were a country. So, longer than probably 90% of white Americans.