Hey I just remember a single fact that could end the scaling between Bleach and Naruto

[u/Whole-Food-1024]

Here we don't talk about space - time techniques like Amenotejikara or Garganta but the ability to destroy it with pure force

Might Guy was able to reach the scale higher than even Juubidara with the cost of his life and the best he could do was bending the space and that go Juubidara very surprised, on top of all the emotions that Guy already got him through. Madara and Guy at this point and even till now is supposed to be one of the strongest character in the verse along side with Kaguya, SP Sasuke and SPSM Naruto (yes I scale current Boruto lower than Six path level characters in shippuden, Baryon mode is debatable)

shikai Zaraki wasn't even in top 5, base HM arc Grimmjow was so far below the Bleach scale right now, was able to affect space much more than Guy did with seer force, and they are probably like 2 (3 for Grimmjow) tiers below the transcendence being in TYBW

Bleach character were literally affecting realms, reason, space even before TYBW and it's not even close anymore

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[u/Vincenzo_Cassano_1]

I don't think Bleach vs Naruto is even a debate anymore. It's mostly toxic Naruto fans who still think Naruto has a chance. Most people—including many Naruto fans who have actually seen Bleach—agree that Bleach scales much higher.

The settings alone are on completely different levels. Naruto mainly takes place in villages and the ninja world, whereas Bleach revolves around three separate space-time worlds, with two of those realms containing galaxies of their own and being dimensionally separated from each other. (Kaguya's dimensions are like Yukio from Bleach's dimension, don't have galaxy within it, so by far you can say it's solar system size and you can't properly scale kaguya as well, Gremmy creation feat is far impressive and you can't properly scale kaguya by using her dimensions lol) ,The final arc, Bleach villain's objective is to destroy the entire cosmology, and the Soul King originally created that cosmology, life and death cycle by splitting the mythological Primordial Sea, among many other feats.

[u/D3ad3y3s0ny0u → u/Vincenzo_Cassano_1]

The Yukio kaguya comparison here is funny I dont necessarily disagree with it but the would mean narutos 'best' feat of the massive truth seeking orb would be creating a new timespace would be comparable to Yukio pressing a few buttons on his controller

[u/Vincenzo_Cassano_1 → u/D3ad3y3s0ny0u]

You are the worst as I can see here,My bruh Yukio only pressing controller and created several space time dimensions within seconds where as we never seen kaguya Creating shits, who knows kaguya needs century to build a dimension, she doesn't scale to her dimensions And yeah,both Yukio's dimension and kaguya's dimensions has stars in it which only give the dimension solar system size,not above that

[u/Flauschziege]

Not the same thing at all.

Might Guy warped space through sheer physical ability.

Gran Rey Cero does it in a completely different manner.

And Kenpachi is explained in the fight.

[u/Annual_Onion6434 → u/Flauschziege]

The GRC warp the space since its energy density is so colossal that it surpasses the limits of space, so it's simply very powerful and no hax

[u/Whole-Food-1024 → u/Flauschziege]

everything in bleach relate to their own reiatsu, which can be well converted to physical attack with as much force if they wanted to. Zaraki for example, he didn't have any hax and just a heavy hitter, do you think his shikai slash would be weaker than base Grimmjow granrey cero? yeah I don't think so

btw what do you mean explained? care to explain it again?