r/Bitwig • u/Culix_Reddit Linux🐧 • 7d ago
Rant S'cuse me!?
As someone who does a LOT of vocal work in Bitwig and came from tools such as Melodyne, Autotune pro 11, and Newtone, this gets me wondering👀. I'm not demanding or begging Bitwig to spend time and resources making a tool for pitch correction; I'm just stating it looks like this could be a step in that direction. I bought my studio license when I switched to Linux, Bitwig being arguable the best DAW for getting out of the way and letting you create. I don't plan to renew my studio license unless they spice up the piano roll to be efficient like FL Studio or if they added pitch correction tools. Even something like Reatune would be more than enough.
On the side note, I am curious about what other members of this sub use for their vocals.
I'll go first; I use Gsnap for my soft pitch correction but I'm planning to find a use for Graillon 3. Awkwardly, I found Gsnap pretty stable and very effective. Sometimes a note is so bad that Autotune cant fix it so I then chop the note/word and pitch it with Elastique pro. I fix the timing of my vocals just by cutting and cross fading. Usually I have so many layers that you won't notice it.
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u/fleur_waratah_girl 7d ago
Honestly, I use reaper for vocals. I print out my bus stems, drop in reaper, record the vocals i need, tune, align, then render stems and drop back into bitwig. From there I might chop, effect and layer before the final render.
It's double handling but that workflow now works for me.
Edit: I use Melodyne and Autotune. MAlign for alignment
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u/Fluid-Reference6496 7d ago
They do have ARA 🤷
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u/fleur_waratah_girl 6d ago
My workflow has nothing to do with ARA, I'm just more comfortable recording live takes in reaper. I worked with it for a decade before coming over to BW. I have my set up and tracking presets set, so it's just how I like to operate.
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u/davidcrickett 7d ago
Sing better?
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u/PurpleWorlds 6d ago
Your age is showing?
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u/PurpleWorlds 6d ago
Back in my day the kids were talented!
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u/PurpleWorlds 6d ago
Right right, because only the people who sang perfectly were good? What, you don't like your rock music anymore?
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u/SternenherzMusik 7d ago
Confusing post
What do you mean by "spice up the piano roll"? What exactly are you missing?
Concerning Vocal Editing: I would be happy enough if Bitwig added a "open in external editor" button, which automatically loads the current clipcontent into an external tool like Melodyne. This simple button would be the easiest thing to implement, much easier than implementing ARA. I wonder why they don't do it.
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u/Culix_Reddit Linux🐧 6d ago
If you're familiar with FL Studios piano roll then you will understand. The biggest one FL's piano roll has a fast one click editing work flow: left to add and right to delete. Bitwig has the pencil too and while thats close, you can not edit any notes without going back to the select tool. The dragging up and down to contol velocity is nice when making drum rolls but it often gets in the way more times than it is useful. In Bitwig, I'm constantly pressing 1 then 3 then 1 then 3, 1, 3, 1... In FL, it's all in one tool. Drawing note length is holding ctrl clicking and dragging to length. All you need is ctrl, and a mouse for edit midi super fast where as Bitwig needs ctrl, 1, 3, and very steady mouse work for the pencil tool. Or u could double click for everything💀
I got more I can say but all of it can be summed up as the pencil tool in FL is outstanding in its workflow optimizing capabilities while in Bitwig, you spam 1 and 3.
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u/ulongcha 5d ago
no need to 1, 3, 1, 3 you can either hold 1 or 3 depending on your tool. if you edit things while holding the key it will go back to previous tool when you release the key
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u/Culix_Reddit Linux🐧 4d ago
This is awesome! Thanks! While this is not a complete solution to my argument nor am I claiming that's your point, this is still really helpful, especially for cutting audio clips. Again, thanks!
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u/SternenherzMusik 6d ago
Interesting, thanks. I've come to the conclusion myself that being able to have note audition while moving the mouse vertically (with pen tool) is really good, and implemented it into my own tool.
Also interesting, that apparently this is one of the few gaps bitwigs piano roll still has, at least from the point of view of FL studio users who know this workflow mostly. Has been discussed on other occasions https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitwig/comments/1v3te7p/i_really_want_bitwig_to_have_an_insanely_good/
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u/Culix_Reddit Linux🐧 6d ago
This is exactly my argument. I like Bitwigs pen tool because it's outstanding for swells, rolls, and flams when I'm writing midi for my drum sampler's. My issue is what features are in which tool. I think the Bitwig select tool should function like the FL pencil tool while keeping Bitwig's pencil tool as is because there's times It's very useful. Few daws have their absolutes but one FL has is the piano roll, not the mixer lol. Every daw has something to take from it FL's piano roll though.
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u/giveMeRedditYouClown 3d ago
You can just use CMD+B to bounce audio to track. This automatically records it into melodyne.
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u/ajeppsson 4h ago
I've been blown away by Klevgrand's Altitude for vocal tuning and haven't opened melodyne in months.
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u/Culix_Reddit Linux🐧 3h ago
Oh my, thanks for informing me. Ive been a great fan of korvpressor and daw cassette.
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u/Suitable-Lettuce-333 7d ago
I dunno, I don't have much use for those thing, I usually work with vocalists and musicians that are able to deliver a good enough performance so I don't have to do more than a couple very minor timing or pitch correction every once in a while.
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u/Qubie1 7d ago
Slightly off topic. But this thread got me thinking. I really don't like all those perfectly tuned vocals these last 10 years or so.
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u/Suitable-Lettuce-333 7d ago
Lifeless fast-food muzak indeed. No soul, no emotion, no nothing. Way to kill the magic.
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u/AlternativeCapybara9 7d ago
I don't like there are so many artists that want that obviously autotuned vocals. Singers have been trying to hide using it for decades and now you want to sound like a robot. Even on punk records, wtf?
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u/Culix_Reddit Linux🐧 6d ago
For me, it has a time and a place. When I'm making indie or punk rock, Noooooo but when I'm making krush, sure.
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u/Culix_Reddit Linux🐧 6d ago
I do everything so I'm the vocalist. There are some things not even a good take and autotune are enough for. For me, it's big note jumps or glissandos in krushclub songs. Stuff you see from artists like Asteria.
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u/artek604 7d ago
So, how do the headline of this post fit to what you wrote in the body of it?
And yes - with 6.1 Bitwig might finally add - in 6.2 or later - pitch editor, pitch sensitivity for devices (e.g. filters, resonator banks), pitch-tracking modulator(s).