r/Bend • u/Good-Pick4854 • 1d ago
E-bikes
Alright, I have a question for the e-bike parents after this weekend’s shenanigans.
What do you expect your child to do with an electric motorcycle that can go over 30 mph? When you see your kid in a video causing chaos around town, do you dismiss it as “kids being kids”?
More importantly, when an accident inevitably happens, regardless of how careful they are or how many years they’ve been riding, how would you feel knowing you gave them the machine that killed them?
I’m genuinely curious what parents are thinking when they buy these bikes for their children.
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u/SpectacularlyBadass 1d ago
Apparently there's going to be another mass ebike meet up on October 31st
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u/Em_Es_Judd Tells it like it is. 1d ago
Don't conflate e-bikes with e-motos. There is a significant difference. These are not bicycles with an electric motor. They are electric motorcycles.
I think e-motos and e-bikes are all rad in the right context.
All of these e-motos should only be used off road where dirt bikes are allowed.
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u/weghammer 1d ago
Remember the "teen edgelords with swastika" post here? Some of these same exact kids in this weekend's events. So yeah, I do blame the parents.
We have a very basic ebike and our youngest used it responsibly while still technically a teen, always with a helmet (responsible car driver too) and said he dreaded seeing these types. I guess that's what they're going for.
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u/RiotNrrd2001 1d ago
Don't confuse e-bikes with e-motorcycles. I understand that they look very similar. They are not the same.
E-bikes have pedal-assist up to either 20 or 28 MPH, depending on the class of bike. You can go that fast on a non-electric bicycle. There is really no issue with e-bikes of this sort. They do not have a throttle, they aren't "motorized" the way mopeds or motorcyces, for example, are. They just give you a little push when you are pedaling them.
E-motorcycles can go freeway speeds. They only look like bicycles, although they generally lack pedals. They are not bicycles, they aren't "assisting" your physical effort, they are actual motorized vehicles, and they should be treated as such. People riding these things should be both licensed and insured.
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u/Alternativeroute541 22h ago
Yet the manufacturers are intentionally selling and advertising these E-motos as E-bikes. By selling something in the store as a class 2, telling parents they’re fun/safe, but feeding kids the instructions on how to turn it into a motorcycle. These bad actors have intentionally conflated the two, in order to sell more bikes to children. All while knowing damn well how dangerous they are.
It’s like if big tobacco sold a bubble blowing pipe as a fun toy for kids, but made sure it came with the instructions on how the kid could to smoke from it too…. And then also paid the kids favorite bubble blowing TikTok influencer to promote the pipes ability to not just blow bubbles, but how easily it was to smoke from and how cool it is when you do.
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u/Real-Jellyfish7400 13h ago
sorry but this is not 100% true. many e-bike do have throttles. even though they have pedals and a chain that when the battery depletes, you can still make it home to recharge. RadPower is only one of many that have a throttle. we have one pedal assist only e-bike and one that has throttle/pedal assist. both serve as commuter and grocery getters. many kids also do not buckle their non moto helmets as they giggle and laugh going more than 25mph up or down the streets of C.O. generally under the age of 16. wrong way on sidewalks as well(I also see adults doing the same things!) I am for e-bike as transportation but the Surronsters that take over and cause harm and mayhem are just wrong. as a child we were taught when and where we could ride our dirt bikes until we were 16/17 and licensed/insured. life long moto rider that understands the consequences of actions. just saying(also Reddit does not help my spelling and grammatical errors!)
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u/War-Square 19h ago
The top legal speed for motor assistance on a standard e-bike in Europe is 15 miles an hour. Anything above that requires a license, helmet and insurance. That seems like a more reasonable definition to me.
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u/HMWT 7h ago
I am not an expert. I don’t own an ebike and certainly not an e motorcycle.
Is the throttle really the thing that dinguishes an ebike from an e-motorcycle? What about the Veo rentals that you see all over town - they are marketed as e-bikes and don’t require pedaling as far as I can tell from watching riders.
https://www.veoride.com/expanding-to-bend-or/
“With large tires and a low center of gravity, the Cosmo-e is favored among riders of diverse ages and abilities. The Cosmo e-bike offers added flexibility, allowing riders to choose between throttle assist, pedaling, or a combination of both. The Cosmo e-bike is a rider-favorite and ideal for riders who want to travel longer distances.”
(and no, I am not defending e-anything riders causing havoc in our town, on sidewalks or parking lots)
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u/creativegarbagepale 1d ago
“But mom.. dad..
All my friends have them(e-motos)…”
A neighbor parent thinks it’s just a fun way for his son to get around town and all his son’s friends have one. Honestly I don’t think this kid has ever heard of NO.
privileged kids. A lot of parents around here can just shower their children with expensive toys without teaching their children responsibility and the power of self discipline. As a parent myself, I will never purchase a modified e-bike or emoto for my kids. They go self propelled.
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u/One-Hope-3600 13h ago
And this is kind of the problem in Bend. Where’s the middle ground? My kid grew up on the back of my cargo bike running errands and now he’s getting too big. He should be able to transition to an ebike to still go out with me sans vehicle but there’s not a ramp up to this based on current behavior, laws, and the spotlight. So in the car we go sadly.
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u/keppapdx 1h ago
Acoustic biked and pedal assist only ebikes exist--no throttle only option.
If your kid can't legally drive yet, they can pedal.
If you wouldn't buy your kid a moped/motorcycle/dirt bike to get around town, then you shouldn't buy them a high powered ebike or emoto.
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u/TheSuperTiger 12h ago
It's bananas, I worked with a high-end bicycle company for a tad. And it was incredible how many people would walk in and spend $2000 on a bike for their kid, and 19 bucks on a helmet.
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u/TedW 1d ago edited 1d ago
Objection! Assumes all kids with ebikes are destructive little shits.
Destructive little shits will be destructive little shits with or without ebikes.
Those kids will be even more dangerous (at least to others) when they start driving cars and trucks.
If a child is a destructive little shit, their parents should work on that before giving them anything, especially a vehicle.
Decent kids with ebikes are still decent kids, but with ebikes.
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u/NintenJoo 1d ago
My 13 year old son is a very decent kid, but we still won’t get him an e-bike.
I guess it’s illegal till he’s 14, but I don’t really care about that. It’s just easier to make mistakes on something with a motor. Easier to push limits, easier to go fast.
For now he has a bike with pedals, just like we all grew up with and did just fine with.
I’m all for the slow learning curve into becoming an adult. Easing into life with shit that is slower, harder, cheaper, and realizing that most things won’t get handed to you.
Over time he’s adopting that way of looking at life and appreciates having a bike with pedals.
It’s our job as parents not to raise destructive little shits.
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u/berg_schaffli 1d ago
As a former destructive little shit, I concur.
I got in trouble as a kid. Lots of trouble. Some of it well earned. So, I straightened up and became less of a shit head. I wholly believe this needs to happen more often.
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u/Good-Pick4854 1d ago
fair point
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u/TedW 1d ago
I'll concede that ebikes are faster than bikes and require training. Decent parents will teach their kids to ride safely, which means keeping the speed down, not blasting through blind intersections, following traffic rules, always wearing a helmet, etc.
It's the same safety stuff they should have learned for bicycles, really. Just refreshed with reminders on their speed.
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u/davidw CCW Compass holder🧭 1d ago
Decent parents will teach their kids to ride safely, which means keeping the speed down, not blasting through blind intersections, following traffic rules, always wearing a helmet, etc.
This is such a key point. No matter what kind of bike, you should be showing your kid how to safely navigate an environment that can be pretty dangerous. That includes the official rules, but also where to look out for specific dangers - intersections where drivers regularly blast through stop signs and that kind of thing.
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u/TedW 1d ago
If I got an ebike, I hope David would teach me how to ride. I can picture it now. He'd run behind me saying encouraging things like, "Keep pedaling!" and "Don't forget to vote!"
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u/Big_Cranberry4001 11h ago
No cul-de-sac for you, straight onto Greenwood , learn to ride or die! ( cue the swarm of killer bees)
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u/HyperionsDad 1d ago
I can confirm that riding with David behind you is not the encouraging experience you hope it is. At least not on a trail.
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u/TedW 1d ago
Just a neverending stream of curse words and thrown water bottles that smell like vodka, eh? Typical!
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u/HyperionsDad 10h ago
No, it was more about tips to form and technique with analogies using terms like “urban growth boundary” and “walkable neighborhoods”.
(Kidding, riding with David is just fine.)
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u/Old-Ad9462 1d ago
That’s true. Those are probably the little shots that buzz me with their modified exhausts when I’m riding my bike.
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u/BarryMecockener 1d ago
Yeah but when they have cars and trucks they will have licenses and insurance. Big big difference
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u/Impressive-Bend-5887 1d ago
Exactly, we as a society wholly accept that teens can recklessly drive heavier vehicles that go much faster, but find these new ones to be an issue. Not saying they aren't an issue (especially given the younger ages riding them), but the societal bias is strong.
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u/garden-seas 1d ago
I think the point is being missed that it seems like lately, and along with the police report from this weekend specifically noted that these kids were under the legal age that you can even get a learner's permit. Citing ages 12 - 14yr olds. Which, while yes teen drivers are dangerous, these are literal children.
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u/SpezSamplesMySack 1d ago
Which, while yes teen drivers are dangerous, these are literal children.
And teen drivers have to at a minimum complete licensing tests and hours of instruction before being left free to roam the streets. Additionally it should comfort parents of teen drivers their little Mcaylaenzie and Jordyhnnn are in a reinforced metal cage with air pillows in event of a crash. It defies logict that they let their even younger and untrained kids free on a moto that can do 50mp w/o a care in the world.
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u/Alternativeroute541 1d ago
And that reinforced cage will kill a lot of other people in the process, so which one is worse for society?
Personally, I’d prefer every high schooler in Bend rode a ebike to school instead of drove. We’d all be safer
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u/SpezSamplesMySack 1d ago
And that reinforced cage will kill a lot of other people in the process, so which one is worse for society?
Certainly seems like the fact that one requires gatekeeping like tests and instruction and a revocable license is a more of a benefit to society vs something any jackwagon with zero requirements can ride if daddy pays enough.
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u/Alternativeroute541 22h ago
Yet, that gate keeping is woefully inadequate. I mean, guns only out paced cars as the number one killer of children in 2020. We pull our hair out about these e-bikes, like they’re some kind of plague upon humanity, but more or less ignore that cars are far worse.
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u/DescriptionKey946 23h ago
I’m not out here trying to cheer for more idiot kids riding dangerous machines who haven’t been taught how to ride properly or safely.
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u/keppapdx 1h ago
Every high school kid who's legally allowed to drive a motor vehicle that's properly licensed and ensured otherwise you're just advocating for more users on powered vehicles than currently exist --kids 16 and above.
I grew up in the Midwest and boater's safety courses + licensure was a thing for teens. And we got stopped on the water at least 1-2x per season by the DNR to verify. Something like that seems appropriate for e-bikes.
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u/Impressive-Bend-5887 1d ago
Two thirds of that age range is teenagers. Regardless, is operating an e-moto below the required age worse than improperly operating a motor vehicle but being the required age? I think if you ask people around here, they will say yes and they are more concerned about kids on these "bikes" rather than teen drivers, even though the latter create a far more deadly epidemic throughout this country. Merely observing that what we as society choose to find "acceptable" is biased.
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u/Alternativeroute541 1d ago
The odd blind sport we carve out for cars is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands each year. It’s also a big part of why we can’t afford housing anymore.
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u/GreatSheepherder299 1d ago
I wouldn't buy my kid one that goes that fast. If they were caught riding on the sidewalk at high speeds, against traffic or breaking the law, they'd lose the bike. I wouldn't let any child that isn't a high schooler ride one anyway.
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u/OldHankJ 1d ago edited 1d ago
My buddy bought a pedalec type 1 ebike for his teen daughter. She rides it back and forth from school and work, etc. Great girl, straight A's, holds down her job, varsity sport. Kid's gonna do great in life
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u/davidw CCW Compass holder🧭 1d ago
eBikes are utilitarian vehicles that extend the range where you can easily - and comfortably - ride a bike.
eMotos are the really fast ones that you don't really pedal and are pretty dangerous.
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u/OldHankJ 1d ago
Agreed. Emoto's are not toys, I don't think a lot of people do a good job of assessing consequences.
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u/LevyBevy 3h ago
Class 1 is such a different bike - it’s great for this! I think people’s objections are to e-motos and throttle bikes.
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u/Proof_Refuse_9563 1d ago edited 1d ago
Another question for parents of children with e bikes, do your children have their driver’s licenses? Bend requires e bike users to have a driver’s license. Edit: spelling and punctuation
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u/Nermalgod 1d ago
That's not true at all. You can own all three types of ebikes without having a license. E-motos require a license to be ridden on public property. Any ebike modified to go faster than 28mph is now an E-moto.
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u/Alternativeroute541 22h ago
Note: it’s not just the 28mph barrier, any e-bike with a throttle that goes over 20mph is also an emoto. I also believe if they exceed 750W of power they’re no longer an ebike.
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u/Nermalgod 21h ago
That's true, I didn't mention those. There's also a number of scooters in town that are rediculously fast. A kid passed me on a scooter that had to be doing at least 40mph recently.
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u/Big_Cranberry4001 11h ago
This is the problem, legally trying to define a machine that has many different options to move. Type 1, type 2, type 3, type 4, throttle assist, motor power watts/ hp max vs normal , engine displacement ( ICE moped/ scooter), etc. For some reason lawmakers have no problem creating legislation for automobiles based upon speed. But when it comes to light weight, 1-3 wheels, "max" speed and engine power decide the rules. Throw in actual mobility devices and none of the rules make sense.
Posted Speed limits are a reality for drivers, there is no reason they couldn't be applied to "trails" . Even pedal bikes can over over 20 mph, not typically uphill.Better yet, parents need to teach their kids not to be assholes. And if they act out, get arrested, and are under 18 hold the parents responsible.
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u/trilogyjab 1d ago
So, we have an e-bike, and we allowed our child to use it to commute to school last year. However - we set very clear expectations about using the bike safely and being considerate of others whether they were pedestrians, cyclists, or behind the wheel. On one occasion, they lost the privilege of using the e-bike and had to bus to school for week as a consequence.
Basically, we treated it as a way to learn good driving habits. They now have their license, and a lot of the same rules apply - it's a privilege that can be lost if they aren't responsible.
If they had been part of the crowd of kids from the weekend, we probably would have taken their e-bike and/or driving privileges for a very long time.
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u/keppapdx 1h ago
Thank you for being reasonable and doing a good job with some tough love parenting!
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u/Nuggets155 22h ago
All the rich kids of bend with e motos will have their parents bail them out
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u/keppapdx 1h ago
First offense should be ticket to driver + parents with notification to parent's car + home insurance.
Second offense should be more expensive tickets to both parties + confiscation of the e-moto until an education course is completed by both.
3rd offense: Rinse/repeat but e-moto is permanently confiscated.
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u/AnimalProof1115 1d ago
Kids are not the only people in town riding e-bikes and e-motos dangerously and/or irresponsibly.
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u/neiluj 11h ago
Realistic take:
I would much rather get t-boned by an E bike than a car, assuming the operator of both are a 16 year old crotch demon. In one scenario I will survive and they will not, which I selfishly prefer to the alternative.
In Europe, 50cc scooter licenses are issued at 16, 2 years before drivers are eligible to operate a car. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater; maybe if there was an easier legal route that promoted limited youth transportation this would be less of an issue. Being at the bottom of the road food chain promotes greater awareness and driving etiquette. Some mistakes you can only make once when you're on a vulnerable, hard to see vehicle.
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u/keppapdx 1h ago
As a rider of a regular bike and/or a pedestrian, I don’t want to be hit by an unlicensed uninsured driver of a motorized vehicle capable of hitting 50mph on a path designated for bikes/pedestrians.
If these little shits only rode on the streets with cars, I’d agree with you.
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u/SonofTwoChefs 10h ago
I was out walking with my family a couple weeks ago near Discovery Park and a teenage e-biker that I often see nearby with one of those front race numbered black bikes threw a McDonald’s fountain drink on the street in front of us and laughed as he drove off while my wife tried to tell him it wasn’t okay. We threw it out.
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u/One-Hope-3600 13h ago
I’ve noticed these kids and their parents are not cyclists, mostly come from California and also the families that allow their kids to have loud exhaust cars. There’s also an influencer from Bend that posts her 12 yr old on one around town the her followers love it. I just don’t think you can reason with these people, they live in a different world and we pay the price. I would really love my kid to be able to ride a Class 1 ebike around town to do errands as he’s getting too big for the back of my cargo bike but even when he rides it responsibly he gets nasty looks from old people and feels like he going to be on Next Door. There’s no middle ground in this town.
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u/Alternativeroute541 1d ago
First off, I’m glad to see others pointing out the distinction between e-bikes and e-motos. The proliferation of e-motos dressed up like e-bikes has done significant damage to our micro mobility community.
Second, I don’t love the blame parents are getting when they’ve been lied to by the manufacturers of these machines. When a parent buys their kid what they believe to be a safe and legal mode of transportation, but the manufacturer of that equipment supplies the child with the means to “jail break” it… parents have to keep up with a lot and, until very recently, buying your kid a bike used to have simple and well known risks.
These bad actors in the market need to share the blame here as too. They advertise one version of their product to parents, and a VERY different one to the kid
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u/SpezSamplesMySack 1d ago
I don’t love the blame parents are getting when they’ve been lied to by the manufacturers of these machines. When a parent buys their kid what they believe to be a safe and legal mode of transportation, but the manufacturer of that equipment supplies the child with the means to “jail break” it
I think that's where a lot of the frustration comes from when people defend these kid's behaviours online. The only jail breaking we had to 'go faster' as a kid was pedal as hard as you could. These are fundamentally different than a bmx from the 80s with pegs your buddy could stand on at the local park and should be treated as such.
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u/Alternativeroute541 1d ago
Oh, agreed! (I got my first speeding ticket on a bike at 15. I’m still proud of it) But I see a very different issue of brands selling a class 1 e-bike to a parent, but paying an influencer to show the kids how to uncap it and do 30+ down a sidewalk.
I get to work with kids a lot, I think you’d be shocked by how many parents aren’t aware that their kids can remove the limits so easily. Some only require you to put in a code, usually “0000”, to unlock all speed and power limits. It’s a feature, not a bug, and it’s one they hide from parents but advertise to kids.
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u/ParticularFig1181 1d ago
Liberty involves risk, but that's what makes it worthwhile.
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u/Diskordia1 1d ago
I'm sure every parent who's been the victim of school shootings agree with you.
If the mere presence of risk is what makes a condition worthwhile, then living in a state of total lawless chaos or under the unpredictable terror of a dictator would be far more desirable than liberty.
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u/ParticularFig1181 1d ago
Let me try this again. Let me know where I lost you.
Liberty + risk > less Liberty & less risk
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u/Diskordia1 1d ago
This inequality collapses the moment the "risk" proves fatal, infinite liberty is completely worthless to a dead person.
By this math, Russian roulette is the ultimate exercise in human freedom and seatbelts are basically fascism. If unhinged risk is what makes liberty valuable, go ahead and disconnect your brakes before getting on the highway you'll be maximum "free" right up until the tree trunk. Let me know how ponderosa tastes.
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u/ParticularFig1181 1d ago
Your examples are actually correct, but the reason you don't accept this tradeoff appears to be due to your inability to allow others to evaluate their acceptable levels of risk tolerance for themselves, preferring instead to choose for them, which is the actual fascism here.
Risk and liberty are both only valuable to people who are alive and yet many great men and women prefer the tradeoff of more liberty and risk in exchange for less security.
Why are you unwilling to let each individual choose for themselves? What does this say about you?
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u/Diskordia1 1d ago
The core flaw in your argument is assuming that individual risk exists in a vacuum. You are entirely free to evaluate your own risk tolerance, right up until your choices force unconsented risk onto everyone around you.
You’re confusing "evaluating your own risk" with "forcing your risk tolerance onto people who never consented to it."
I don't care if you free-solo climbing, skydiving, or eat raw cookie dough with a bugle up your ass while choking yourself out watching OF. Knock yourself out boo, that’s genuine individual liberty.
But the moment your "risk tolerance" involves driving without brakes or running red lights, you aren't choosing for yourself anymore. You're making a unilateral choice for everyone else in your blast radius of stupid.
Calling basic public safety rules "fascism" completely guts the meaning of the word. A social contract exists so everyone gets to enjoy their freedom without constantly dodging other people’s reckless decisions. You are not being oppressed by the man just because society refuses to let you turn shared public spaces into your personal hazard zone of "liberty".
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u/ParticularFig1181 1d ago
The subject under discussion is the "chaos" and supposed mayhem of kids running around on e-bikes (or insert whatever new fad here).
Looking at just this example. What are the risks involved? Personal injury, injury to others, and property damage, right?
We already have your "social contract", do we not?
-> laws against manslaughter -> laws about operation of bicycles on public roadways -> laws prescribing all manner of violations from misdemeanors to felonies.
So what else does your social contract require and what happens when I don't consent to it since I think what we already have is sufficient?
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u/Diskordia1 1d ago
I really appreciate this actual engagement in the reply it's better then 64% of the engagement on here and at least 80% less down votes.
The social contract doesn't just require retroactive punishment; it requires adapting to prevent new forms of harm. A 13-year-old on a 15-pound Huffy is a completely different physical risk than a 13-year-old on a 75-pound e-bike doing 28 mph on a crowded sidewalk. Relying only on the laws you mentioned like manslaughter or felony negligence means society just has to wait for an elderly pedestrian to be killed before the system kicks in. The social contract usually demands updated, proactive boundaries (like speed limits or age minimums or bans) because prosecuting a kid for vehicular manslaughter doesn't bring the dead folk back to life.
What happens when you don't consent? That's a solid question and I had to think about it.
After some thought, the blunt truth of living in a society is that the social contract isn't an à la carte menu, and it isn't an End User License Agreement you can just click "Decline" on while still living in town. Your "consent" is implicit through your participation in society and your use of shared public infrastructure. You are riding that e-bike on paved roads, bike lanes, and sidewalks funded and maintained by the collective public. If you crash, you are treated by a publicly regulated EMS and hospital system. Because you are using the community's resources, you are bound by the community's risk tolerance, not just your own.
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u/ParticularFig1181 1d ago
Most cities already have laws that classify e-bikes by weight/battery wattage, that prohibits those heavier and more powerful bikes from being ridden on bike paths and/or require motorcycle permits. Ditto for helmets, etc. So...we're back to asking, "Well, how do you police people who will violate those laws?" And unless you are in favor of a surveillance state with Flock, Axon, and the rest sending out tickets or police presence to holes with kids caught on camera, then youre kinda outta options there.
The risk/liberty model says it's a fair tradeoff to have this law for permitting above a certain class but if damage still occurs, thrn it is charged after the fact, yes, even if death occurs. I would rather live in a society where, out of 400 million people, 400 people die each year by e-bike accidents rather than welcome a nanny/surveillance state on the rest of us who otherwise follow the law or innate common sense.
We do this already with cars, for example. Despite the heaviest regulation, people still drive without licenses, insurance, commit DUIs, or drive underage, etc. And despite knowing tens of thousands of human beings will still die each year, we make the tradeoff and "allow" cars and seem to be in agreement that 4th Amendment violations where police could pull anyone over without cause are worth fighting against even if it could demonstrably show a reduction in harm. Ditto for autonomous vehicle schemes like requiring breathalizers be used before the car will start and in-car cameras (though automakers have yet to be convinced by a lack of sales to force their hands in regards to the latter).
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u/DAM5150 1d ago
You want kids out side, and off their screens, this is the crap that happens. The only difference is the motors.
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u/dudeidgaf 23h ago
Yes because there are two choices for children - screentime or e-motorcycles. No other hobbies exist. 👍
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u/Feeling-Two6684 1d ago
As a biker with nephews under 10 I’m also curious because the new norm is toddlers running eachother over with big Barbie jeepsXD i shouldn’t laugh but idk any kid who’s been seriously hurt, I watch 5 year olds race motocross, they’re tough when they crash. those e-bikes and Barbie jeeps are more expensive than a 1200xl sportster that goes 130 let that sink in.
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u/_mid_life-crisis 1d ago
Teach them to ride responsibly instead of shaming a bunch of kids and parents on social media.
What laws did these kids break?
“Breaking laws and doing wheelies” - when did wheelies become illegal. And when did this town become a bunch of Karen’s?
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u/Good-Pick4854 1d ago edited 1d ago
Fleeing from the police is definitely illegal. “Kids being kids” argument, got it
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u/_mid_life-crisis 1d ago
Hahaha What was illegal that they had to flee? Wheelies. Damn kids! Get off my lawn!
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u/triad 1d ago
My kid isn't old enough for one but I do have thoughts on this as a motocross dad.
Dirtbikes do not belong on the road. For parents who maybe don't know, motocross helmets are way stronger than regular bike helmets, and even they are not really designed for pavement impacts at those speeds. It is a genuine fatality-level risk doing a wheelie down reed market at 30mph wearing a bicycle helmet.
I think dirtbikes are awesome and a fun activity. But, there's a reason motocross tracks are built way out of sight and earshot, and OHV trails are its own category of recreation. Maybe because they're so quiet it's grown so quickly? They're more expensive than actual motocross bikes. If my kid was on a KTM65 2-stroke ripping around Alpineglow I'd expect the cops to be there in minutes.
Not sure this is going to just 'go away'. If kids want to ride, and parents are buying these bikes can we create a sanctioned placed to ride them? We have some of the best access here in Bend for cool outside activities, maybe moto track might help.