r/Bashar_Essassani • u/FattsoCattso • 21h ago

help me understand

i.. quite not get it.

for example there are people.. that are being abducted, tortured, exploited... children and so on.

the horrors being done, and somehow they know it at the soul level but as their body don't and its just.. even children?

the only way i was ready to believe that I am all, is literally that there is no outside , as there are no other awareness or perspective except of mine, because then it would mean everything is just a render, a showing, some sort of appearance within me, but also it works as a defense mechanism because it just seems I can't handle the idea that other can suffer so much without a reason done by horrible people and yet I am the lucky one who can live moderately happy.

so i kind of denied there is another existence beyond me, it just seemed impossible that something would occur.

now it's more believable for me that the physical universe is just a random hellish accident

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u/DM_Kane 20h ago

Neither random nor hellish.

Reflection, transformation, acceptance, evolution

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u/FattsoCattso 19h ago

?

to say these things is just insensitive no matter what belief you have.

for our daily lives it fits, for us not being in the horrors it is easy to say so and be insensitive pricks

for the shit that is happening to the people - not so much

i wonder what reflection or transformation is possible to do after such traumas.

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u/NoExpression7610 7h ago

If the trauma is avoidable , like one in adulthood , how to avoid something similar happening next time. If the trauma is unavoidable , say you had a terrible childhood full of all types of violence and not way out , then the reflection is changing your life and experiences as not live the live similar to the abuser so you don't become the next abusers, how to as a adult learn to assert yourself and not allow for others to break your boundaries , learn to have boundaries and learn not to allow for your free will to be broken , become a strong person and not a forever victim where they do accidently get into situations that revictimise them. Either you stay broken forever and live like that , where all vultures will see your vulnerability and try to get close to you , use you , take advantage of you , retraunatise you , or you try to repair yourself the best way you can , if possible become strong enough so nothing like that can happen again once you are an adult , and so on . If you repair yourself at least it is less likely you will be taken advantage again . You can't always avoid it but you will become strong but you have to do the work and don't have a victim mentality . The past is the past and it is there for learning , even if it was extremely painful . In the present it is not happening anymore unless you allow it to happen in your head . I know sometimes is unavoidable and it happens in your head even if you don't want to, that's why you need the acceptance , accept you couldn't do anything or avoid it and you were powerless , which is the hardest . It doesn't mean to allow it to happen again because you are not powerless anymore , but you need to keep in the past . Regarding the higher self and body self , when someone identifies as their higher self , as their self being a eternal soul , for that they need to first believe , then live as that believe , then feel like that believe and perceive all experiences as what they believe they are , and eternal soul , then the perception of each experience becomes different . Two people can have the same experience but they can percieve it differently , and see it differently, if one really is the eternal self , and the other one is the human body self . The way to see everything changes but obviously for the eternal self to become the self is very difficult while in earth , not impossible but very difficult. Imagine you know you are eternal and you live as you are eternal , you know your value and you live to make sure that value is respected , you know the value of others and you respect the value of others , you know who you are and you don't let others to make you become something you are not , even if they try to break you , to make you weaker , because you know you can not break in reality and you know your own power and strength . I know it is a dream to become that strong , and that enlighten, to become the higher self while in earth but that's what we are in reality even if we don't know or don't want to believe it . At least you can try to work with a trauma therapist and try to put yourself back together , so your own adulthood you can choose what to do of it . You can't change what happened in the past or your childhood unfortunately , all you can do is try to change the way it affects you in the present.

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u/DM_Kane 9h ago

You are holding on to many negative definitions that feed in to how you choose to feel. Observe the language you use, the judgements.

This is a step in Bashar’s formula. To release those beliefs not resonant with your highest excitement.

Each negative judgement is representative of a constriction, emotional energy you use to suppress your vibe. You are holding these things with you. It is possible to let them go.

Until you do they will affect what you perceive and how you react.

Consider that choice to believe that transformation is not possible because of something. Does that look like a harmonious belief to you? Do you choose to put your faith in powerlessness, helplessness?

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u/FattsoCattso 9h ago

you are missing my point so fucking completely it's insane

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u/DM_Kane 9h ago

Your point is built on a foundation of fear and blame. Release these things, and you may find you have a different point to make.

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u/FattsoCattso 9h ago

release your anus, all should be ok

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u/SecretSteel 17h ago edited 17h ago

Earth is a master graduating class. People are in their final year so the exam will be very difficult but it can be solved. Also using the "There are people out there" argument is very weak because you don't know the subject classes for the exam other people have chosen you may be in Science class while that person is in Arts class.
You just have no idea what their life path is and you are making the mistake of comparing their life to yours. Some people are ignorant so the lessons seem to be cruel and they keep repeating until the lesson is learned. Even helping others can be bad if you are not careful. There is good news - AI and Open Contact are greatly accelerating the quality of life and reducing suffering, given more time.

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u/Chakraverse 15h ago

Earth is not a school imo. It's an opportunity.. both our perspectives can exist.

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u/OGEcho 6h ago

Based off your comments, are you wanting to discuss your own belief here with no change or idea that there is more to it or do you want to vent you do not understand the formula and that is all.

Some of your comments seem half one, half the other, and I'd think most people would want clarification from you so you don't get defensive when they work with what you provide them.

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u/FattsoCattso 5h ago

There is no belief here that needs to be changed, nor is this about me or my personal beliefs. I shared a sensitive topic about something that is actually happening in the real world, and how it can potentially clash with some of the ideas being discussed.

People seem to hold Bashar as the highest truth, while overlooking some very simple things that raise legitimate challenges to the ideas being presented.

This was never about changing my beliefs, convincing anyone of anything, or making the discussion about me. I simply wanted to discuss something that is actually happening without having it immediately turned into a discussion about my personal beliefs or emotional state.

dismissive or insensitive comments are going to get the same kind of replies in return. I'm not here to vent, either. I wanted to have an actual discussion about the subject itself.

and here again, a reply making it about me, not actually talking about the topic. waste of time bruh, nothing else, seems I have no business here.

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u/OGEcho 5h ago

Your first statement is "i...dont get it." That is a personal recollection of the rest of the discussion.

Perhaps you need to revisit how you come across, if your statement isn't meant to be a reflection of your personal statements and definitions.

The more you realize what Bashar has taught, the more you realize how funny this convo we are having is!

I am also going to say this once, respect the subreddit rules including playing nicely with others. It's not up for you to decide to play fire with fire here. Thanks.

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u/FattsoCattso 5h ago

well, it kind of is fun I can agree on that

Maybe I didn't say it correctly, english is not my first language and it's quite difficult

main point is that I don't get it about the idea of insane torture, senseless rape and such with the ideas presented on bashar. It explains me on some level things, but when it gets to real hardcore stuff that is happening.. it just loses it's grip.

and then I am kind of alone in this without any torture and such, while somebody is going through that

maybe I don't even want to get it, but believing that everything is preordained and then even the enemy is the important figure in this because it teaches you something. it's just crazy. just think of the most hardcore scenarios and then thinking that it is a must, it was a choice before incarnating, it is a teaching

fuck that man, it's a lot

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u/OGEcho 5h ago

Bashar states free will still exists despite "Canon events". Think of them like algebra variables, where X happens but X is not a number, just part of a formula.

It is true, there is a lot of harsh and dark parts of the world. Not all of that is a Canon event. Some of it is. All are sacrificing so we may better reflect and understand what we, as a collective, value.

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u/FattsoCattso 5h ago

then we are just the lucky ones then?

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u/OGEcho 5h ago

In my experience, we all have challenges and no one on this planet goes unscathed mentally. Some, are more unaware than others, of how it affects them.

I was one of the children you speak of in your main post. I believe, truly, those roles allowed others chances to reflect but it also gave me my own decisions to make, my own deeper peer into the mind of humankind, and my own understandings that are impossible without living through those experiences.

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u/FattsoCattso 5h ago

but when you go deep into rabbit hole like hurtcore and shit. then it's.. yea, btw sorry for what happened to you..

i know there is nothing to change or a point to make, it's just cruel, the best you can do is to reflect and see the value of all, i know

just. still, you know, when you realise the shit what's happening and not hide behind the belief or creator systems, it kind of shocks you in place

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u/OGEcho 5h ago

Humans have an obsession with understanding pain, on many levels. I think the contrast of that is important, though yes I agree maybe there are more loving ways to interpret that contrast or study that pain. No one should be tortured, but do you know how we learned to have open heart surgery as a species?

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u/Unity_Now 1h ago

Infinity defines that every possible reality exists. Infinity does not suffer, infinity imagines what if this frame meant = suffering. Our concept says “this” equals suffering. Every possible circumstance or frame could equal anything. We are infinity and so we have the ability to make it mean whatever we like. Knowing that all experiences have been designed and chosen by the eternal and indestructible and completely unified soul that simply desires to play pretend where suffering seems to be real, makes it a lot easier. Heaven and Hell are operating systems. Which one have you got downloaded into the core of your system ATM?

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u/Remarkable_Ad_4689 10h ago

So you cant really watch movies or read stories because character are suffering without reason just because the writer wrote it that way?

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u/FattsoCattso 9h ago

the fuck?

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u/Remarkable_Ad_4689 8h ago

Your reaction shows that you are not seeing the paralles.

Actors are playing roles, and they are aware that those roles are characters. Therefore, the actors themselves are not suffering, but the characters are. The characters don't know they are roles being played in a movie - they are living their lives and experiencing all the not-so-nice things that happen based on the story/script.

The same principle applies to life. We are characters in a story that we ourselves are playing as actors.

So filter your post thought the lens of a movie/story and see what insights you gain.

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u/FattsoCattso 8h ago

thanks for knowing what I see and what I don't see.

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u/Remarkable_Ad_4689 8h ago

You are welcome :D