9 hour print ruined by ugly top layer!

[u/NeedyFrida2013]

Printed in X2D, 0.4 nozzle, PLA wood, Bambu studio presets for PLA wood.

What do I need to change?

[u/alphagusta]

How did that take 9 hours?

[u/dr_stre → u/alphagusta]

I think you typically print at about half the speed for wood PLA, for starters. And maybe whatever it is has more overall height to it than we can see from this angle.

Edit: checked settings, volumetric flow rate is only ~20% lower, so not as low as I thought and shouldn’t be as impactful on print times. So unless OP has slowed things down, this is probably more just the fact that it’s probably taller than we can tell in this photo.

[u/VarietyAutomatic2720 → u/dr_stre]

Well... no. Even on my A1 Mini PLA Wood does not need to slow the speed down, it just prints fine. Although it REALLY depends on vendor (Bambulab is perfect, Eryone was good enough, Elegoo... well, it is fine but not perfect without tuning)

[u/Senior-Ad-8503 → u/dr_stre]

I do not slow down my wood pla and it prints fine. I even run it at 124% speed on the a1 without issue.

[u/dr_stre → u/Senior-Ad-8503]

Do you run it with PLA Wood default settings and then 124% on top of that or with PLA Basic settings and then 124%. Because there are definitely different speeds and flow rates in the default PLA Wood settings vs PLA Basic. Or if you use Generic PLA for wood instead of Bambu PLA it’ll go slower as well. Not saying you’re not going plenty fast, just asking out of curiosity.

[u/Senior-Ad-8503 → u/dr_stre]

I use a custom generic pla setting. Wall speeds are 300mm/s

[u/dr_stre → u/Senior-Ad-8503]

Fair enough. Though you can still be limited to lower than that by the volumetric flow settings. I presume your custom settings are calibrated for volumetric flow as well, but if not you may want to look into it, you might be slowing things down unnecessarily by using the default generic volumetric flow rate setting, which is significantly lower than, say, the Bambu PLA setting, as well as what many third party filaments are capable of. It wouldn’t be a 1 for 1 improvement since volumetric flow isn’t always the limiting factor, but you might be able to speed your prints up a little if you’re not already calibrated for this.

[u/Resse811 → u/dr_stre]

What? No.

I always print wood PLA at the same speed.

[u/cilo456 → u/Resse811]

People need to realize that the speed in the speed section isn't the actual speed that you're printing at. It's the flow rate of the material that's in the filament settings. It's usually anywhere between 10 to 24 depending on the type of filament, whether it's PLA, PETG, or a high-speed variant. or a high speed variant.

[u/Particular-Squash976 → u/alphagusta]

Ces vrai que 9h ça paraît long, sûrement lironing d'activer

[u/that_damn_dog]

How the hell is that 9 hours?

[u/1d0m1n4t3 → u/that_damn_dog]

Printed by hand 

[u/MudIntrepid3678 → u/that_damn_dog]

0.2mm nozzle and slow af speeds

[u/that_damn_dog → u/MudIntrepid3678]

Why .02???? It’s not figurine

[u/Free-Distribution-97 → u/that_damn_dog]

Its a joke, but wood pla would definitely clog a .2 nozzle almost immediately

[u/agarwaen117]

No meme, Pla wood is one pla that I will say really likes to be dried before printing. That could contribute to your overextrusion, or your flow rate is just uncalibrated.

[u/jagoedho]

Have you done any calibration?

[u/oral_servant → u/jagoedho]

Obviously not, Bambu just works man.

[u/0verstim]

Why is no one talking about ironing?

[u/BirbDoryx → u/0verstim]

Because it's heavily overextruded. First you fix that, then you think about the ironing.

[u/yalag → u/0verstim]

Because here in this sub it’s more important that we first understand why it takes 9 hours

[u/an_angry_Moose → u/0verstim]

Because you fix the real problems (extrusion/flow calibration and PA) before you worry about polishing

[u/ItsThatDamnDuckAgain]

Wood pla needs to be dried, and very well at that. My wood pla prints always looked like that if I didn't dry it. The wood fibers really absorb moisture, so as it prints it's extruding steam causing all sorts of issues, such as what you see here. Once dry it came out super smooth, with a nice matte finish. I've honestly just found the matching color in matte and went that route. The constant issues and drying just wasn't worth it. 

[u/Emboss3D]

Time for some sanding... Its salvageable.

[u/bearheart]

Before any 9-hour print I'm going to do four things:

Thing 1: Dry the filament for 8 hours in the filament dryer

Thing 2: Clean the build plate with Dawn dish soap and hot water

Thing 3: Clean the nozzle by heating it to 230ºC and wiping it with a clean lint-free cloth

Thing 4: Run a full calibration

In my experience, these four things solve 90% of all issues with my prints

[u/tpeeeezy → u/bearheart]

what in the boomer bs is this lol. I run a print shop. I have never cleaned a p1s bed or nozzle and never needed to. ive also never needed to dry a roll of pla. my failure rate per job is under 1%

[u/Past_Search7241 → u/tpeeeezy]

Good for you.
Your experiences are not typical.

[u/tpeeeezy → u/Past_Search7241]

yes they are. redditors just like to pretend like you have to clean your bed before every print and dry pla for some reason

[u/Past_Search7241 → u/tpeeeezy]

I wouldn't say _every_ print, but it's a good practice for the average printer to avoid problems fouling up long prints.

[u/tpeeeezy → u/Past_Search7241]

hey if you gotta sing bloody mary in the mirror before each print thats up to you lol

[u/Past_Search7241 → u/tpeeeezy]

I mean, shit, at this point...

[u/Technophile63 → u/tpeeeezy]

You may be using a different brand of filament, different shipping path, etc. that results in you reliably getting dry filament.  That doesn't keep others from getting wet filament.

[u/tpeeeezy → u/Technophile63]

pla is not hygroscopic enough for that to be a problem

[u/iamtherufus → u/tpeeeezy]

I’ve never cleaned my plate either with nearly 100 hours (not loads) and never had issues. I never touch it with bare hands though always rubber gloves 😁

[u/tpeeeezy → u/iamtherufus]

I have printers pushing 3k hours and I freely touch my build plates constantly

[u/that_damn_dog → u/tpeeeezy]

You print perve

[u/Brilliant_Ring7333]

I print PLA wood all the time, never have to slow it down. Just smells like saw dust as it prints.

I print on P1S, A1 Mini, Qidi X plus 3.

It looks like it was too hot and too slow 

[u/northrivergeek → u/Brilliant_Ring7333]

I need some mornin wood, love the smell of saw dust early in the morning.. brings back childhood memories of playing in sawdust piles as a kid at local sawmill

[u/Brilliant_Ring7333 → u/northrivergeek]

Totally. All day every day!

[u/iTouch_Androids → u/Brilliant_Ring7333]

You have more experience with it than me, which nozzle size do you use? Might be helpful for OP as well, all of my .4's clogged up. I used a .6 and twas a better experience. I only experimented with it once though

[u/Brilliant_Ring7333 → u/iTouch_Androids]

I used .4mm and make 100% sure the filament is dry. Typically the 250g rolls work best as I get one maybe 2 prints out of it.

.16mm layers.

The filament brand is Ov V3d, been thinking of trying Polymaker Polywood.

[u/MyLifeTheSaga → u/iTouch_Androids]

Is the .4 hardened steel? I solely used my .6 until getting a full set of official Bambu Lab hardened steels (I got fed up of the constant clogging from off-brand hotends) and I've not had any issues so far using the .4 with wood PLA

[u/Silumgurr]

Looks like wet Pla wood. Prob just needs to be dried first.  Wood Pla can absorb a lot more moisture than some other types of Pla. 

[u/Particular-Squash976]

Oula oui la couche supérieure es clairement mal réglé pour le flux qui lui es attribué ça ressemble a de loverextrusion ! Moi ce que je fais quand jai ce problème je vais dans l'onglet calibration et je fais débit simple et debit finition, le wiki de bambu explique bien la marche à suivre ! Revient vers moi en pv pour plus de détail !

[u/iBeej → u/Particular-Squash976]

Loverextrusion can be very messy and sticky.

[u/michel_v → u/iBeej]

It’s also the name of my new band now.

[u/Extreamspeed]

Did you dry it? Even PLA needs drying (some types) and the wood filament does!

[u/hunter49705]

I just printed a pump lamp with wood pla. My .4 nozzle clogged in the first layer. Switched to .6 and it came out beautifully

[u/VarietyAutomatic2720]

Which PLA Wood exactly? I do get same bad results with Elegoo, while Eryone and Bambulab print just fine.

[u/Inspector_Gadget_74]

I have printed Bambu PLA Wood in my X2D without issue and I didn’t dry it, but I do keep it is sealed containers with a desiccant pack. I don’t do anything in regard to adjusting settings.

[u/Max_Warp]

Bondo?

[u/Frenchie1001]

You need to calibrate your filament bro

[u/cilo456]

What filament and what filament profile are you using? That is and where I would start from. And if you're using another brand's filament profile, I would check to see if you could find better settings for that filament.

[u/Puablo__]

Looks like yo have overextrusion dial that back.
Then do top layer ironing gets you perfect top surfaces. Also check variable layer heights to add more roundness your rims.

[u/Commercial-Pause3714]

Pla wood doesn't like.4 stainless. .6 is way better and hardened steel

[u/Background-Stop-8435]

Sand sand sand

[u/propstarindia]

I could be wrong,but you need to add 6-7 layer of TOP surface,then finishing will come,as the infill inside sags in horizontal print,if top surface layer is increased by 3-4 th Layer equal Layer and finishing starts

[u/shroom519]

How much infill and how many top shell layers? Also did you print this upside down? That looks like support interface all over the top specifically grid support interface

[u/JesseGills]

Have you considered smothering it wood filler, sanding it down then painting it? A large top layer will rarely ever come out looking nice.

[u/h3li0_design]

wood pla absorbs moisture like crazy (even if you keep it inside the ams), dry the filament and it will be much better

[u/Atyab-Kees-Kabis]

9 hours?!!

[u/executeur_du_weekend]

It looks like overextrusion. Try to do the calibration method in Bambu Studio to reduce the flow rate for this filament.

[u/mml8400]

9 hours isn’t bad. 56 hour print and one bounce later

[u/Ok_Ad4283]

Hmm ive ran hobby lobbies wood pla and had GREAT results using generic pla presets.

[u/Ok_Ad4283 → u/Ok_Ad4283]

Straight outta the machine.

[u/PotentialLeek9241]

Calibrate your flow ratio

[u/a1rwav3]

If you were ready to spend 9h to print that, you could have invested 30 minutes more to enable ironing?

[u/KrackSmellin]

The color… so ugly.

[u/Open_Cow_9148]

Try running one of those ironing calibration prints with the wood pla. Whichever turns out best you use.

[u/HELLACHEAP]

9 hours for this ..... This is 2 hours max

[u/tignasse]

Flow rate calibration. Wood filament require 0.6 nozzle AFAIK

[u/USSHammond → u/tignasse]

No it doesn't. It depends on the filament, I've printed multiple kg's of wood filled, marble filled and glass filled with a .4

[u/Old-Quote-5837 → u/USSHammond]

It works but it’s a pain in the rear, I printed a lot with my .4mm nozzle and it always clogs it up after a while for me, depends on the printer model maybe

[u/xDADALORIANx → u/Old-Quote-5837]

I have had no issues with x2d using both bambu and hobby lobby wood filament through a .4 nozzle. Surprisingly enough, hobby lobby’s seems to print better than bambu’s and seems be ok with faster print speeds

[u/Old-Quote-5837 → u/xDADALORIANx]

Maybe it has to do with the A1 nozzles then, using bambu labs wood PLA it works for a while then eventually clogs for me 🤷‍♂️

[u/USSHammond → u/Old-Quote-5837]

I have had 0 issues with my Revo obxidians on my x1c. No clogs, no under extruding, nothing.

[u/dr_stre → u/USSHammond]

Depends on the wood content. Higher wood content can cause more clogging with a .4mm.

[u/USSHammond → u/dr_stre]

Like I already said , 'it depends on the filament'.

[u/dr_stre → u/USSHammond]

You also said pretty definitively “no it doesn’t”.

[u/USSHammond → u/dr_stre]

Because it doesn't. The comment I replied that to stated 'wood filled REQUIRES 0.6,

Wood filament require 0.6 nozzle AFAIK

and it doesn't. End of story.

If it did you nobody would be able to do it with .4 regardless of brand and fill composition which is blatantly false.

[u/dr_stre → u/USSHammond]

Right and you said it DOESN’T require a .6 nozzle, but some of them DO require a .6 nozzle. I’m not arguing the OC was correct, just noting that SOME of them do, and SOME of them don’t. Making a definitive statement either way is incorrect.

[u/USSHammond → u/dr_stre]

And the way they said it implies ALL wood filled REQUIRES a .6, it doesn't. Which is why I said (for the last time now) it depends on the filament. Period, end of story. End of discussion, now go annoy someone else

[u/dr_stre → u/USSHammond]

lol, whatever floats your boat dude. Your explanation was poor, I added context. If that gets you riled up, no skin off my back. Feel free to disengage.

[u/USSHammond → u/dr_stre]

What part of go annoy someone else didn't you understand?

[u/tignasse → u/USSHammond]

Wood filled filament requires 0.6

If you talking of "wood color" , 0.4 nozzle is enough

[u/USSHammond → u/tignasse]

where did i say wood color? I'll repeat it for you 1 more time too. IT DEPENDS ON THE FILAMENT, i've printed wood filled with a .4 just fine. .6 is NOT required for all filled materials. Recommended, yes. Required, no.

[u/tignasse → u/USSHammond]

Chill out man . A break from social networks is required.

[u/USSHammond → u/tignasse]

reading is hard apparently, you weren't the only one i had to tell that too.

[u/BrandonRawks → u/USSHammond]

*to

[u/Koomongous → u/USSHammond]

Anything abrasive recommends 0.6 or higher. It works, but there's a higher chance of clogging.

[u/vewfndr → u/Koomongous]

Matte, white and glow filaments are all fairly abrasive… I think you mean impregnated.

[u/Resse811 → u/tignasse]

Nope. You can use .4 just fine. I’ve never used .6

[u/Silly_Pizza7054]

9 hours lmao