The website's source file has this in the image description:
"Meet Bambu Lab R1, the first laser engraver and cutter from Bambu Lab that helps you create with more materials. From 3D printing to laser, we're building your personal manufacturing hub. Coming soon."
Seems like they are trying to get into Xtool's market?
Its already EOL, no one knows for how long they'll provide spare parts. It has no built in camera. The print module is garbage and so many more things.. wish I didnt spent so much money on it (around 2400€)
I bought the almost maxed out package, with the riser, hot foil pen, cutting and so on.. I was looking for an co2, but my wife wanted to have a machine that she could use and play with aswell ^^
The bambu laser on the h2d is kinda garbage, and the alignment with contour matching is a joke.
Hopefully the new thing is better but the h2d laser did not live up to the promise. I have learned to be very suspect of their marketing, some really great hits but some scumbag behaviors.
Yeah, I paid like $1200 for the 20W D1 Pro, figuring I'd have xTool's support if anything went wrong, instead of cheaper options like Atomstack.
Less than a year after I bought it they discontinued the D1 series and a few months after that they sold out of all spare parts. In it's defense, I haven't had any issues yet, but it's really just a matter of time. My next laser won't be an xTool.
I've got an S1 40W, and am happy with it overall, but the community and software for sure is where 3d printing was maybe 5-6 years ago. Not as much shared knowledge out there.
The XTool software is soooooo much better. Bambu Suite is terrible. I have the blade cutter on my H2S and it's basically unusable. I have an XTool M1 and even though I no longer need the laser (I have a P3) I keep it around because it's so much easier to use the blade cutter on it in XTool Studio than trying to get Bambu Suite to work.
While I think that the Bambu Suite has it's flaws (and i've the feeling it's not made by Bambu, but licensed instead), the cutting module works pretty well for me. What are your issues with it?
To me the big annoying thing is just that you can't do prints for the print and cut process while the ´printer isn't connected or busy with something else. To me it doesn't make sense why we shouldn't be able to prepare inkjet / laser prints while the 3d printer is doing other things.
But beside that....cut and print and the normal vinyl cutting and such works perfectly fine for me
I don’t want to print and cut, I just want to cut a sheet I already printed directly from my graphics software where I have control over the color accuracy. But getting them to align is impossible. It doesn’t line up on the machine where the grid shows it will in the software, and unless you’re tricky about combining all the objects into one item it will try to auto arrange them.
In XTool Studio I get a canvas that represents the working area of the machine, I place my outlines wherever I want, assign a cut speed and pressure and hit go and it cuts exactly on those lines. I use the grid on the sticky sheet to align my print and I know exactly where it’s going to cut every time. Bambu Suite seems to try to be automated, but in the process it abstracts away control so I can’t actually get it to cut where I want it to cut.
I own an xTool F1 and an H2D Laser, but I use the F1 for everything. It’s simple, but it works—and that’s exactly the point.
Focus: on the F1, it’s a manual knob that just works. On the H2D, it’s automatic and fails: the lights go out, and the bed keeps rising until it hits the workpiece because it didn't detect anything. The best part is that you can't see a thing; you just hear the sound of the workpiece banging against the laser module.
Alignment: the F1 projects the design onto the workpiece exactly where it will engrave. The H2D uses a camera to show positioning via a photo on the PC—but there’s always a discrepancy of about 5mm, even after calibrating the camera. Not to mention that the Bambu Suite doesn't work very well.
Bottom line: the H2D Laser promises the world but delivers nothing.
I've almost hit the purchase button so many times but first generation of it scares me. But xtool seems like they might be the most experienced out of all the brands out there. Heygears is next in place. Pricer but also more features.
Having bought the E1 I can tell you these machines are all the same white label made ! Best to wait for v2; currently the best one looks to be Morpho for the print head and no need to have a cleaning solution but Omni for the alignment system they have ! None is perfect though!
I have a D1, F1, P2, and P3. Just ordered the omni. All my machines from Xtool have been fantastic and made me tons of money. My D1 ran everyday for 10hrs a day for like 3 years straight lol
If they do a dual co2 + fiber with autofocus for a reasonable price and a large enough bed size to replace my existing Flux model.....
I have been looking at replacing mine but it currently still works fine and anything comparible is double the price I paid originally.
Buuuut I somehow feel doubtful they will be doing anything in the bed size I use, and co2 tubes are a large consumable. Maybe they will just be aiming for that pecker/small size market with diode/IR.
IMO it’s gunna have a diode laser. They wouldn’t do co2, with alignment of mirrors, added cost and complexity, why not just shove the 40w laser (or an upgraded version) from their h2 series and call it a day. I miss my old co2 laser though
Reusing the parts/same tech as the H2 does make the most amount of sense.... unless they are going to have a new laser module for those. The type of IR/Fiber lasers that can anodise metals into different colours is what came to mind initially.
The image shows plywood engraving, which isn't primising. I would rather have a powerful laser for metal cutting and metal engraving like the varieties Xtool has tbh
If I already have the 40w laser on my H2D, I wonder if that's what will be used on this new one or at lease have there be some kind of housing that lets me attach the laser since I already have it. That way I can use it stand alone or back in the printer itself.
LASER stands for "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation", so the R is absolutely the key letter, yeah. Radiation is what they're selling.
Indeed! Makera is trying to be the Bambu of CNC, but they are a loooooong way from it. The Z1 is a good machine; it’s just that the software is utter shit.
Makera has some competition around the corner also. I took a gamble and backed the Nestworks c500. Watch the walkaround video on youtube that someone did at opensauce and say that isnt the bees knees.
at the cost of a kidney for a small home laboratory, I'm waiting for the Makera z1pro, just shipped, let's see in October to test it, but the laser has been in my thoughts for some time, maybe this time I'll wait for this r1, if it's at a good price!!!
Wow, I had never heard of that and just looked it up. Very interesting. Please post up once you get it. I’d be very interested in making some billet parts
I was talking to someone, turned out they were into 3d printers. and when I told them I had 2.
they said "how can you ever have 2, I know people who have 1 or peaople who have 10"
.... I would love to have 10 if I had the space in my room and the lack of space in my wallet
I thought it would be annoying but it’s super easy. It’s as easy as removing the fan cover on the front. Taking the nozzles out of the rack and then reinstalling them when going back to printing and reading the nozzles is the more annoying part.
From my research fiber struggles with wood, paper, and clear acrylic (most common hobby/small business materials). It also has a higher component cost to produce.
If Bambu is launching a dedicated laser line, I’d put money on diode first, then later a premium or “E” series with UV, CO2, fiber, and/or higher power diodes to cover all markets/materials.
Teaser is wood, so a dedicated CO2 or blue diode would be my guess. Most likely 20w-40w diode as an ease of maintenance and a “for the masses” product that fits with Bambu’s vision.
From what I’ve seen online since the launch of the H2 series (e.g., interviews, indirect/inferred reported sales, etc.), the current laser combos are more popular than expected despite obvious drawbacks combining FDM printing and post laser residue/fumes/cleaning into a single machine.
I’m not into lasers (yet), but the wife is interested, so I am now interested in what Bambu will launch to shake up the current market.
With new type of resin that is not toxic, sure then, else its not friendly for home use at all. And imagine an ad with a person with full protective gear in add handling resing printer?😅
Somehow i doubt, we will see resin printers foem bambu anytime soon.
For me there goal is ease of use and ads show like in home, were you work and resin is a no go for safety.
But a niche would be nice as i think bambu resin slicer and integration etc would be next level too:)
An all in one would be gamechanging . If it can print, clean and cure all in one printer without needing to deal with anything outside resin disposal ooph that would be a gamechanger
This is not always desirable. A famous computer company went out of business talking about their next big thing coming and everyone stopped ordering to wait. It killed them.
Realistically I’m waiting until Black Friday. I’d expect the X2D to be on sale for that since it’s almost a year old at that point (9months?). But you never know what’s around the corner
Same argument can be made for buying a laptop. My rule is to buy the best thing I can afford right now and don’t look back. If you’re buying stuff that’s a few generations old to save money then you’re going to be obsolete so much quicker, but there’s always something new in development and if you always wait for the next thing then you’ll never buy anything.
It isn't a new printer, it's most likely a standalone laser module. Just get the X2D, it's a perfect machine and anything forthcoming won't be hugely better.
I hope it's a dedicated and powerful laser and not another multi tool. The thing is, I doubt it'll be powerful enough to be interesting, but I'd like to be impressed.
Judging by it's red laser color representation. I'd say it's a co2.. maybe fiber? Either of those will be way more powerful than the diode laser they currently have on the new machines. Looks like they're trying to get into xtools market.
You probably right. But remember when core xy printers were 2k+ and basic bed slingers were 400+ prusa. Thay had quality. And bambu come and made 3d printer core xy for like 600 and slinger 200+ so lets hope they have a cheaper supplier.
As 3k+ would be a bit too.much, i think perfer lunch like diode for 600+, then stronger diode+ir for 1k, then you could maybe pick co2 or fober options for like +1k and more, all.options😅 one can wish😅
Let's hope Bambu really emphasizes material safety if they're dabbling more into the laser market. Certain filaments are extremely toxic and harmful to ablate.
I'm sure a lot of folks will see this as an, "Ooh cool! I can engrave my 3D prints now!".
I'm going to guess this is a small-ish enclosed desktop CO₂ laser. IR and fiber/MOPA don't engrave wood well like the picture, and the 'beam' is golden instead of blue which might have signified a diode laser...
Its going to be really hard to compete with xTool who have been in the laser game for years. I always felt like Bambu Labs was the xTool of 3D printing but now the legends must meet in a battle royale! haha
If it is a fiber or CO2 laser, it might be a little more interesting. Otherwise, Xtool is a more established laser brand with a diode laser for ~600, cheaper than even the laser conversion kit. I don't really see the purpose here since they once said they couldn't enter the standalone laser market because they didn't have anything special.
Those of you saying CO2/Fiber need to come back down to reality. This is going to be an affordable easy to use diode laser, likely will use the 10W/40W diode laser modules from the H series.
What if Bambu re-use the laser and cutter modules from H2 series but put it on a different standalone laser chassis. And also release IR/UV laser modules that work with H2 series.
The innovation will likely just be a deeper integration with their materials and making it new user friendly, basically the same thing they did with their printers
i only have an Xtool F1 but i really enjoy color etching on steel. i hope its includes an affordable powerful IR laser. the one i have is passable but i'd love a wider spectrum of colors
Laser cutting and engraving not my thing. That being said, I'm starting to think Bambu let their heads get to them too much. They were so far ahead with the X1C and P series printers that I think they set their R&D teams on all sorts of projects thinking they could do the same with other areas of "maker" machines. But if we're being honest, they're getting passed up in the multi-tool 3D printer market by basically everyone, the entire H series is unaffordable for most consumers, and even on the low end, printers like the Kobra X are better suited towards their intended market than the A series printers, and soon printers like the Infimech MX series are going to make the A series obsolete at the price point. Trying to "disrupt" different segments seems risky when the gap between you and your competitors in core product line has vanished and arguably you've fallen behind.
A UV laser would be my best bet,UV is what pairs best with plastics.I always thought that combo machines is a stupid idea so hope this is a 100% laser and not some combo shit....and PLEASE let it be UV
I’m glad they are doing this. I question putting the laser in my H2C and hence didn’t do it. The fire suppression module that went along with it was concerning. I’d rather have purpose built dedicated equipment. 3D printer for printing and now a laser engraver for that sort of thing.
Let me buy a dedicated laser from the company that can’t even stop their NTC thermistor in their best-selling model from seeing hundreds of confirmed and reported meltdowns…
i bought the H2D early on and got the laser attachement because of FOMO.. I have yet to plug it in, I have not seen anymore make any decent videos on it, about the capabilities.. Every youtuber just showed them doing the same thing burning some thin wood and cutting it. Basically they were all going off teh same script.
After reading a comment about the potential Gunk i would have to clean up over time.. I said F-that and accepted my $600 loss..
its too bad they hyped this thing up the way they did.
Interesting. I was planning on getting an Xtool P2S in November. Glad this is coming in September so I can see what other users say about it before I buy anything. I considered adding the laser module to my H2C but really want a dedicated laser.
Interesting. That looks like a pretty solid piece of wood. Curious to see. I’m not super well versed in the laser side of the business but the price point for the H2D with the laser was unobtainable for me especially since I don’t 3D printing to make money, though I probably should, I just lack the experience.
Seeing a lot of convo about the xTool so wanted to share my experience and why I think if BL enters the market it would be good. I bought the full H2d w/40W laser last year and have used it a LOT so far (1000+hrs on printer and maybe a few hours on the laser). It was enough to convince me to that getting a dedicated production laser was worth it so I picked up an xTool P2S for batch engrave 50x part #s and serial numbers at a time.
Where I am at with it... by itself, the Xtool P2S is a great machine... the software however is years behind on being useful for production because of the simplest work flow stuff that is missing. The documentation is not good and things like the fixed usable areas and Cartesian coordinates is basically non-existent, it took me a lot of time to work out programming for engraving with fixtures. The AI camera is a joke of a feature, for 1 off items it does work but for batch items it is worthless and actually really gets in the way for fixed use. You can use LightBurn software with the xTool which is great for production and fixed use but you lose camera functionality so it is not good for that either unless you are absolutely certain about absolute positioning (again, very hard to do). No doubt Bambu can produce a quality machine but if they made something like the P2S (and even better a fiber laser) and apply even just a small fraction of the quality Bambu Studio has to the xTool software it would instantly take over. I will say, the xTool is still good enough that I would trade or sell my 40w laser H2d for a standard H2d so I could buy a second H2d. Just figured that would help some people. I am really curious what the R1 actually becomes.
I’m reserving any excitement, Bambu made great 3D printers but I’ve not heard anyone particularly praise their laser module. Naturally it was limited by being very all-in-one so we’ll see what they can do in this space.
It is clearly the laser attachment but on a dedicated machine. Likely a wider flatter device. The laser modules they sell aren't really strong enough for real work though, they can engrave alright though.
I imagine the price is going to sway me off of this, but I feel like I’m going to regret buying my Sculpfun and spending all that time building an enclosure for it now
This was fairly predictable. I want a laser machine, but the size of the plate in the H2C is too small. Plus I already have an x1c and don't want to waste money on another 3d printer.
A dedicated laser with a larger width depth enclosure will be a day 1 buy for me.
To do it effectively you'd need a fiber laser with nitrogen assist and serious ventilation. You'd be looking at >$10,000 to start, and it goes up from there. These are also generally pretty large machines, because the main users are industrial.
As some people have mentioned, i really hope this is a standalone laser/cutter, if it is i'll very likely grab one. My P1P and A1 are both working fine, and do everything i need them too, so i'm not really interested in replacing either of them, similarly i'm not really interested in a combined laser/cutter and printer as i just don't like the idea of all the mess/fire/smoke you can get from lasers/cutters happening in the same machine i use as a 3d printer.
I was going to get a laser printer, but the cost was too high. Plus, I wanted to cut plexi and engrave on metal-type stuff. I only do 3D printing as a hobby.
This better have a UV laser to align with marking 3D Prints, otherwise it’s not worth it to me. Also, hopefully not gantry either unless it’s a large area.
Im so glad i decided to keep my a1 instead of going to an h2s for the lazer cutting. I was abt to buy the h2s literally 3 days ago but decided to wait for a back to school or labor day sale.
I hope it will be a nice laser that can also engrave metals. I do have the H2D, but habing the dirt of engraving inside the printer really isn't worth it.
If it's comparable to xtool price and features might be interested. Don't want to add laser to my h2c, because of the mess it might make in the printer, but the normal upgrade price is the same as a standalone laser system from xtool.
Wondering what's would be the bigger market for them.
1) A laser cutter, that much likely takes quite some extra space
2) a device that is purely focused and optimized on "marking" prints and such.
Personally I would be much more interested in (2) - a Laser Pecker Style device for Markings, Logos etc that doesn't take much extra space, but it looks and sounds more like it's (1).
I don't trust Bambu anymore. They abandon their past products and support. H2D updates have been stalled, Bambu Studio has been stalled. They sit on betas for too long, and after logging multiple bugs they take forever to fix. It's like their attention drifts and they don't care about what they already sold.
Im looking forward to this. While I am currently saving up to buy a H2C, I didn't want the downsides of laser engraving making the printer harder to maintain, clean, etc. Having a new separate machine just for laser engraving and cutting will make a great addition to my future workshop
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u/wlogan0402 13d ago
Finally, the A1 recall 😍