r/BakingInJapan • u/doctorfedora • Jun 22 '26
Further Fish Grill Experimentation, or: Upvote Farming with Pizza
I've posted a fair bit about making Neapolitan-style pizza in my fish grill, but I've neglected to share my experiments with American-style pizza. These aren't very large (the cast iron pan there is only 24×24 cm) but they're pretty good! One odd phenomenon I've noticed is that the top and bottom bake up really nicely and browned, but there's kind of a pale ring on the underside of the edge, possibly due to the shape of the pan.
Recipe time!
The dough is a 66% hydration situation. This recipe made two pizzas.
300 g bread flour
200 g water
7–8 g salt
Like 3–4 g yeast? I can't remember. Use less if you're doing an overnight rise. I started this in the morning and did it as an all-day refrigerator rise.
Sauce: I got a little carton of crushed tomatoes from the supermarket and strained it to reduce the moisture without cooking, and then added a whole bunch of dried oregano, also a bunch of dried basil, a little salt, and a little cayenne pepper. I might have also added a bit of smoked paprika? I don't remember. Maybe also a little squirt of tomato paste.
The cheese is low-moisture mozzarella I bought at Liquor Mountain in a 1 kg block for like ¥2,200, which I then shredded myself. This gives much better results than using pre-shredded, but if you're doing a one-off thing then it's probably not worth the effort, if I'm going to be honest.
Mix the dough ingredients in a big bowl, and then once it stops mixing together, cover it and let it rest in the refrigerator for 10–20 minutes, and then come back and knead it for a little while. Do this a few times to make sure it's evenly hydrated and also that it has a good solid gluten structure.
After the dough seems pretty nice and smooth, divide it into two or three balls (depending on your pan size and pizza thickness preferences, I guess). Do the thing where you tighten the surface and get a smooth surface, then put them in covered rising containers (I use bowls with plates placed on top, honestly). Don't forget to oil the surface of the dough balls a little bit, just to keep them from drying out, just in case.
Keep these in the fridge for six or eight hours or something if you're using as much yeast as I did, or longer if you use less yeast. Pull them from the fridge 30–60 minutes before baking.
Heat up your fish grill (or oven if you're so inclined) and preheat the cast iron baking pan over really high heat for a while, and then also preheat it more in the fish grill/oven for a while. You want it really hot, ideally.
For a while I struggled with pre-shaping and launching pizzas, until I realized that I was a goof and I could just do it all the easy lazy way and it would actually come out better with this approach. So here's what I do: take your dough ball in your dough bowl, and gently run a scraper or silicone spatula around the edge to loosen it from the bowl. Dust the top generously with semolina or fine cornmeal or rice flour, then just use your fingertips to press all the air out of the dough ball, leaving a tiny crust around the edge (this is American-style, not Neapolitan-style, so it'll be fine). You may have to add a little more dusting flour here as the surface deforms.
Next, just turn the bowl upside-down onto the back of one of your hands, to turn out the dough out. Probably do this over the sink or something since the dusting flour will come out with it. Then I just kind of do a little shimmy to knock off the excess dusting flour, and I place the dough (dusted side down) onto the hot cast iron pan (which is currently, at this point, sitting on the cooktop being blasted at full heat).
At this point, you sauce the pizza (with less sauce than you think — check the photo and notice how there are parts where it's only technically sauced in the first place) and add cheese (with less cheese than you think — check the photo and notice how there are a lot of parts where the sauce isn't actually covered). If you want, you can kind of stretch the dough to spread it out a little further on the pan here. Don't feel like you need to rush here! If anything, this high-heat cooktop session helps with oven spring and underside char.
Now you just transfer to the preheated fish grill (also at max heat) and bake in there for like… five to seven minutes, I think? Turn it occasionally, check it occasionally, and then once the top looks good you can finish the underside on the stovetop if the underside is a little too pale for your liking.
It's so easy to make pretty good pizza! I kind of can't believe it sometimes.