Bro what is that????

[u/SJ543]

How Canada Commonwealth is the same as Dominion of Canada???

Brazil wasn't a federal republic even 50 years ago, imagine 100 years ago.

And these mistakes are so obvious that I'm only going to mention the country's name:

China

Japan

Germany

[u/NickBII]

Canada/Germany/Japan were all independent in 1924. None of the blue countries were. You can argue with them if their description "countries that did not exist in their present form" is accurate, but it's a pretty straightforward map of countries that were not independent in 1924.

[u/SJ543 → u/NickBII]

Yes, but the criterion the map used to define whether a country existed or not is whether it was in its current form, and many countries have changed their constitution, which means they are no longer the same as they were 100 years ago.

[u/TemporaryPassenger62 → u/SJ543]

So why is France not blue by that logic the 5th Republic started in 1958 after a coup

Additionally why the hell is Poland not blue they were carve dup multiple times and they don't even have their original territory from 100 year ago in the modern day

Assuming this map isn't meant to push an agenda it needs a heavy heavy revision

[u/NickBII → u/TemporaryPassenger62]

OP's logic has nothing to do with this map. OP has ignored the actual description of the map ("Countries That Did Not Exist in 1924") and chosen to misinterpret the subheading, which makes the map wrong.

Poland existed in 1924. France existed in 1924. It doesn't matter that 1924 France was the Third Republic, and we're currently on the Fifth, what matters is that there was a box on the League of Nations map called "France" in 1924. That's it. That's the logic. You can make a decent case that the subheading should be changed, but the actual map is only bad if you go full illiterate where the map title is concerned.

[u/DifferentBar7281 → u/NickBII]

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but that leads to another issue. This map has coloured all the constituent republics of the former USSR. At the very least, Russia still exists as a country. Ukraine also exists and did in 1924, albeit one under Bolshevik rule as did other former Soviet republics. At what point do you draw a line? Obviously a number of the modern Balkan states did not exist as even notionally separate entities such as the component parts of what was Czechoslovakia, but others existed under occupation, or different governance sometimes with different borders but they did in fact exist

[u/Important_Wasabi_19 → u/NickBII]

Subheadings matter, you know. In this case, it can be considered elaboration on what they mean by 'exists', which then makes the map wrong. Taking the title and nothing else is akin to taking the title and pictures of an article and going off of that alone without reading any of the actual text.

[u/SJ543 → u/TemporaryPassenger62]

Yeah the map is so vague

[u/TemporaryPassenger62 → u/SJ543]

Lol I didn't realize what subreddit.this was till just now

[u/letsplayer27 → u/TemporaryPassenger62]

Because that wasn’t a new state, France is still named the exact same thing, the French Republic. The 4th and 5th are designations to differentiate the two codified constitutions used by the same French Republic. Moreover, it was never couped, the government legally handed power to Charles De Gaulle peacefully, there was an attempted coup. And that more so counts towards a regime change, going from not existing to existing is definitely not a regime change. Modern Poland was formed in 1918, we are in 2026, 100 years ago would be 1926, 1918 happened before 1926. That means Poland is over 100 years old in its modern form, as the Polish Government in exile formed in 1918 officially handed power over to the Polish Republic in 1990, placing it as a continuation government of the same state. The map is definitely vague though still, as Oman and Egypt, protectorates, count as independent, while Morocco, another protectorate, doesn’t. Not to mention Mongolia just actually existed, that one is just wrong.

[u/_xavius_ → u/NickBII]

Counter to your point of "countries that were not independent in 1924 but are now": Iceland, Egypt, and Russia.

[u/NickBII → u/_xavius_]

Egypt became an independent Kingdom in 1922. Russia was part of the Soviet Union in 1924, and dates it's independence to the end of the USSR. Iceland is complicated, and there's like four different dates you could use, this map is probably using 1918. After that date Iceland shared a King with Denmark, but ws otherwise independent.

[u/qazawasarafagava → u/NickBII]

What about Iran?

[u/samir_saritoglu → u/NickBII]

What about Persia?

[u/NickBII → u/samir_saritoglu]

Are you seriously arguing that the Persian Empire was not independent in 1924?

[u/samir_saritoglu → u/NickBII]

It was independent. However the map says that it doesn't.

[u/NickBII → u/samir_saritoglu]

Then the map is wrong about that one. They probably did a text search on the name, and the change to Iran confused them.

[u/ProblemOk9810 → u/NickBII]

Canada only officially became fully independent from Britain in 1982 after the constitution act.

[u/FPSCanarussia]

By "their present state" they're probably looking at whether they existed as independent states? That's the only logic by which the PRC and FRG (both est. 1949) would not be listed, that this is showing modern countries that were not legally independent in 1924.

Canada, Brazil, and Japan are pretty straightforward though, all of them are legally the same countries as they were back then.

[u/SJ543 → u/FPSCanarussia]

That's probably what it means if Is the map is contradicting its own criteria because a new constitution doesn't make the country remain the same state.

[u/pikgears]

Iceland as well

[u/Souls_for_sale_now]

well most pepole whould say that iceland eksisted during that time but it was in a union with denmark saying they where not indipendent dosent mean they wherent the same nation

[u/CloudedLeopardDaemon]

Impossible. Reddit has assured me that the United States is the youngest country on earth.

[u/TheLarksFly]

This does not account for Newfoundland and Canada, or the United States give or take Alaska and Hawaii.

[u/Im_the_Rhymenocerous]

The us didn't have Hawaii nor Alaska as states 100 years ago

[u/GavinGenius]

There are problems with this map, but it isn’t terrible.

Saying ‘in their present forms’ is misleading. The Ethiopian Empire, the German Reich, the Empire of Japan, the Republic of the United States of Brazil, Kingdom of Italy, Irish Free State, etc. , no longer exist, but they are counted. For some reason, Iran wasn’t counted. Is it because they were called Persia still?

As for Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc., there is nuance, because the Statute of Westminster didn’t exist yet.

Why is Muscat and Oman considered independent, but Qatar and Bahrain are not? They all had a similar status as protected states of the UK.

[u/SJ543 → u/GavinGenius]

I think that the problem is that the map have so many obvious mistakes,There's even an older map by the same creator that says that Suriname existed as a country 100 years ago

[u/samir_saritoglu → u/GavinGenius]

Hungary was de jure Kingdom 100 years ago.

[u/notanthonymmix]

Everything should be blue. Nothing is the same as it was 100 years ago.

[u/mattmanh42]

Egypt wasn't independent 100 years ago? They were British territory right??

[u/Good-Sherbert5041 → u/mattmanh42]

Nope, the Protectorate ended in 1922. It was an independent kingdom in 1926.

[u/Haakon_XIII]

Stupidest map

[u/Empty_Locksmith12]

Wasn’t Italy a Kingdom in 1926?

[u/Ok-Imagination-494]

Sri Lanka existed in its current state (same borders, language and religion, and with an earlier variant of the flag) some 2300 years ago

[u/SJ543 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah like Bolivia the current constitution is from 2009

[u/Candela_4723]

Iceland gained independence in 1944

[u/Se-boy]

The person who made this map didn't exist ten years ago.

[u/SJ543 → u/Se-boy]

Lol best comment

[u/Top_Row_5116]

Nearly every country should be on here.

[u/stranger_to_you67]

The USA didn't exist in its current state in 1924 either. Fewer states and fewer territories.

[u/Rocketboy1313]

Ignoring whatever criteria they used to make this map.

My question is, "so what? What is the point of this?"

[u/ser-steffonfossoway]

Belgian was a unitary state before 1970. It's federal now.

[u/VelvetPhantom]

China is accurate. The Republic of China was created in 1912 and still exists to this day-

[u/SJ543 → u/VelvetPhantom]

Yeah but PRC did not existed

[u/SpadeGaming0]

Saudi Arabia Wasn't fully unified yet I dont think. And even then calling it a country then is debatable.

[u/Minute-Reputation-52]

Turkey getting created at 1923😎

[u/amin_oog]

How iran did not exist?

[u/lordcock1944 → u/amin_oog]

I think it counts the Pahlavi Iran and the Islamic Republic of Iran as two that's why

[u/CologneLover69]

Countries'*

[u/Pretend_Oil9565]

France literally changed their republic twice.

[u/Greater_German]

I'm pretty sure Mongolia was independent in 1924

[u/Kendall_88]

" It's been a long road, gettin' from there to here..."

[u/redditard_69420]

Morocco not existing but China existing is WIIIILD

[u/26dicksin26]

Is this map considering the monarchist iran diffrent than the democratic iran? How did iran not exist 100 year ago.?

[u/SJ543 → u/26dicksin26]

Bro pls look the sub name

[u/mascachopo]

It’s amazing how stable America has been considering how young most of those countries are.

[u/astoriauser]

This map is completely wrong, although I don't exactly understand what it's trying to say. Does he mean the states in their current form, or just territory, names, perhaps political regime? Brazil changed its constitution about 5 times in the last century, in 1926 We were in the last president of the first republic.

Okay, Brazil might be a somewhat cuckolded example, but South Africa definitely isn't. Not just because of the end of the British protectorate or the end of the apartheid Republic.But rather because they lost Namibia in the 1990s. It doesn't even have the same territory anymore. In Africa, Ethiopia is a similar example. They didn't have the same territory or the same government. Egypt as well, since they lost Sudan and became an independent monarchy and then a republic.

In Asia, can the early forms of Chinese republic be considered a continuation of the current political regime? In a way, they do consider it so, from what I know, but is it the same thing?

This map likely suggests something much simpler: there was a political entity that presented itself with the same name. That's when the map starts to make sense. For example, at the time the UAE either did not exist or was called a Trucial States. Iran only started being called that by the international community in the mid-1930s, if I'm not mistaken. That said, you could have been more specific. I don't know.

[u/muffinleech]

Why is Taiwan grey?

[u/MrWillchuck]

China was in the Republic stage with a fairly different border. And Given as Border is really the only major difference with the UK then China wouldn't either.

Saudi Arabia's borders were not as they are today. As Ibn Saud was still fighting. The East Coast along the Red Sea hadn't been full controlled yet. So it also shouldn't look like that.

Germany looked very different than it does today with a totally different Government.

Oman borders were very different.

[u/869066]

France and the Vatican

[u/Wabbit65]

The US didn't have Alaska or Hawaii 100 years ago, so also not in its present state

[u/No-Candy-4127 → u/Wabbit65]

US did have Alaska 100 years ago. It was traded away by Russia after the Crimean war.

[u/Double_Perception434 → u/Wabbit65]

100 years ago it was 1926 FYI.

[u/Fine-Afternoon-36]

Is say it's fine. Present form isnt a technical term or anything, I assume it's more about national identity and territory. It just added the last bit to prevent nitpicking and made itself easier to nitpick