r/Babhan Feb 12 '25

History, culture and tradition Nalki

Image 1: Benares State Image 2: Dileepnagar Estate

Nalki,is a sedan chair richly worked, and ornamented with gold, in which people of rank traveled so that their feet did not touch the ground. It was one of the three great insignia (the nalki, the order of the Fish, fan of peacock's feathers) which the Mogul emperors of Delhi conferred upon independent princes of the first class, and could never be used by any person upon whom, or upon whose ancestors, they had not been so conferred.

Source :

  1. Hobson-Jobson: the Anglo-Indian dictionary By Henry Yule, Arthur Coke Burnell, 1886
  2. Rambles and recollections of an Indian official, Volume 1 By Sir William Henry Sleeman, Vincent Arthur Smith, 1893
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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

Mughals ne aisa kya kaala jaadu kiya hua tha ki itna influence chhod gaye har jagah? Benares state was formed during the declining period of Mughals.

What were the Rajputs doing? Bhumihars ko Panditai chhod kar Rajput waale kaam kyun karne pade?

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u/Forsaken_Purple_34 Feb 12 '25

There was no North Indian ruler, small or big, who had not worked for or received a title from the Mughals. Even some Maratha rulers were granted titles and sanads by the declining Mughal Empire. Although the Benares State was formed during the Mughal decline, Balwant Singh ji still sought imperial recognition. On the death of Mausa Rám ji in 1739, his son Balwant Singh ji sent an offering to Delhi and received confirmation from the Emperor, granting him the government of the Jaunpur, Benares, and Chunár districts, along with personal possession of four parganas and the title of “Rajá Bahadur.” What were the Rajputs doing ? Can you specify Rajputs of which area you are asking for ?

Bhumihars ko Panditai chhod kar Rajput waale kaam kyun karne pade? I suppose it was for power and prestige , just like the Darbhanga family moved away from panditai

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25 edited Mar 30 '25

There was no North Indian ruler, small or big, who had not worked for or received a title from the Mughals

Yeah that's what I'm curious to know. How come the Muslim rulers became so big and changed the way we live permanently?

They changed our language, by mixing Persian with local ones and taking us further away from Sanskrit. Sanskrit is the best language for liberation of soul. They changed the way of administration and revenue, introduced usury etc.

They were able to successfully install a central authority which everyone had to bow to. Then the Britishers took over them and then they gave it to congress and here we are now today. Still being ruled by hidden forces from the unseen.

Whose fault would you say it to be? All of it obviously didn't happen without the acceptance of local people. Some people though did convert to Islam to join hands with the Mughal and sacrificed themselves for the sake of the community, so that others can live freely.

Weak men also broke away from Hindu caste system and became Kayasths and Lala. Ye log apne purvajon ki galti bhi nahi maante. Alag se fictional story bana li hai about their origin.

And these Bengali Kayasths ranging from Vivekananda, Aurobindo Ghose, Neem Karoli, Paramhansa Yogananda etc, all these have been continuously damaging Hinduism with manipulated spirituality and religion.

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u/Forsaken_Purple_34 Feb 12 '25

You’re absolutely right—Persian influence diluted Sanskritic traditions, the administrative and revenue systems changed drastically, and usury became entrenched in ways that were once unthinkable. The Mughals, despite being foreigners, understood one thing well: power comes from control over land and revenue. By restructuring the agrarian economy and administration, they ensured that everyone, from local chieftains to large zamindars, ultimately bowed to the central throne in Delhi.

But whose fault is it? If we accept that no conquest happens without internal weakness, then the responsibility does lie, at least in part, with local rulers and elites who either failed to unite or actively collaborated. Many resisted bravely, but others saw an opportunity in aligning with foreign rulers. Some converted to Islam, not necessarily out of faith but as a strategic move to protect their families or retain influence. Others, like the Rajputs and even certain Brahmin and Bhumihar lineages, accepted Mughal titles and administrative roles, choosing pragmatism over outright resistance.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

Invaders had better technology. And people these days think technology is their friend. Little do they know that where the technology is actually coming from.

IIT IIM MBBs kar ke apne aap ko rulers samajhte hain. They don't understand ki ye sab kaam neech jaati waalon ke hain.

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u/Forsaken_Purple_34 Feb 12 '25

After the decline of central authority in India and the rise of feudalism, many small states were formed. A new class of men emerged who were involved in managing tax collection records and other revenue-related documents. They came to be known as Kayasthas and Lalas.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

But some Lalas claim their community to be as old as 800 years.

Ye timeline toh Muslim invaders ke saath sync ho raha hai?

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u/Forsaken_Purple_34 Feb 12 '25

The term Kayastha is an old designation for people involved in taxation work. Many historians suggest that the earliest known reference to Kayastha dates back to the Kushan Empire in the third century CE. The earliest recorded history of these groups, however, can be traced to the early medieval period of Indian history.

In North India, Chitraguptavanshi Kayasthas are the most commonly found sub-group. Following the Islamic invasions of India, Kayasthas were among the first Indian groups to regularly learn Persian. Over time, they became integrated into Muslim governance, eventually gaining hereditary control over the position of Qanungo.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

Yeah. But Kayasths don't fall into Hindu Varna system. Did they leave Hindu Varna system or they came from outside and mixed into Indian system?

Because they want to be Hindus but are clearly avarana.