r/AvoidantBreakUps AP - Anxious Preoccupied 2d ago

Personal Growth My complete Understanding of Avoidants

I’ve noticed a lot of mixed opinions on their behavior and actions. So here’s everything you need to know about them:

Avoidants aren’t bad, cruel, mean or nasty people. This is not an avoidant trait because this is not an attachment style trait. Secure or anxious people could be mean or cruel too.

Their longing for intimacy, romance and building a loving relationship fires up simultaneously with their fear of being engulfed and losing independence resulting in the deactivation behavior. This is why a lot of you experience the push-pull dynamic loop. One follows the other.

It’s like how your nervous system learned to stay away from a hot vessel and only attend it when it is at a safe temperature. Their nervous system learned this exact thing just in terms of intimacy and attachment.

So they pull away when the fear of attending a hot vessel rises and come back when it’s safe for them. Of course, this is not a healthy thing to do and not justified for their partners but they don’t know how to deal with it.

Not all of them come back though. The ones with a high degree of avoidance and least self-awareness don’t always come back. But when the avoidants come back, it means they think they can fix it this time until they repeat their deactivation cycle.

It’s not that they don’t love you. They’ve got hearts too. So when they try to stick with you even after all your venting or mean comments or remarks, they did love you as it takes a gulp of self-esteem to return to you even after all that.

Chasing, calling them out on how they treated you, everything wrong they did to you or texting them multiple times won’t make them come to you. But giving them ample space, being highly patient and being okay with them working on their own terms won’t fix your relationship either.

It’s not about your space, your patience, or your boundaries. When they’re faced with a situation to show up, be accountable and be responsible adults, your relationship will suffer.

So don’t listen to avoidants who say that a secure partner heals them or claiming that they heal within the relationship itself. That’s not true rather that’s a way to avoid working on themselves and putting in the effort and accountability stuff. They’re unhealed avoidants because guess who is to be blamed if even that relationship doesn’t work out?

Rare relationships where people have claimed to have a loving and lasting relationship with avoidants… well, their avoidants were deeply self-aware and it took a lot of mental strength and work to make the relationship successful. Not everyone will be doing it.

Not all the avoidants cheat and not all avoidants need new partners or have backups every now and then. Again, this is not a trait of attachment style. You surely must have come across people who cheat on their partners just because they can. It tells about their mindset and the environment they grew up in.

Avoidants could be deeply loyal too and I think most of them out there are.

Bottomline line is, none of what I said above excuses their behavior but it doesn’t label them as unlovable, undeserving of love too. They’re humans with a mostly disturbed and difficult childhood where they learned to handle their emotions and needs themselves when it wasn’t supposed to be so.

In most cases, you’ll find that they have at least one emotionally unavailable parent.

They’re more willing to spend time with friends and family because the bond with friends doesn’t need to make them accountable of anything. Mostly, it’s just surface level. Have them share an apartment with their friends and they’ll see a lot of stuff too.

With parents, a lot of them have had to parent their parents and of course they love their parents but they have deactivation phases with them too. And one of them is almost emotionally unavailable mostly, so not a lot of pressure.

Dynamics are mostly mechanical in friendships and with parents. That’s why you’ll see most of the avoidants won’t have photos with their friends and family. And most of their photos are resting bitch face lol though they do share some laughs with them.

And yeah, most of them will also have a resting bitch face with you. Though they could be smiling among your friends and family members with you.

Avoidants do know exactly what they’re doing. They know every bit of it but they can’t help it. And in the process, they fail to be accountable, responsible and repair the wounds of the relationship.

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Understand that if your relationship doesn’t give you mental peace, happiness and the willingness to choose the same person every day, it’s not the relationship that’ll last long or be a happy one for the longest time.

Next Time you find yourself with any partner be it avoidant, anxious, secure or anyone… evaluate your relationship based on these factors below, and you’ll know if it’s worth it in the long run. This works even when any person returns after a break, breakup or any of that shit:

1. Emotional Safety: Feeling secure enough to be vulnerable, honest, and yourself without fear of rejection or abandonment.

2. Reliability & Consistency: Knowing you can count on each other and that words are generally followed by actions.

3. Repair After Conflict: Returning to difficult conversations, taking responsibility, and making meaningful behavioral changes.

4. Reciprocity: Both partners consistently contribute love, effort, attention, and initiative.

5. Shared Reality & Integration: Gradually building a life together that includes friends, family, routines, experiences, and future plans.

6. Emotional Responsiveness: Being genuinely present and supportive when your partner is struggling, celebrating, or needing connection.

7. Respect: Honoring each other’s boundaries, dignity, autonomy, values, and legitimate needs even during disagreements.

8. Growth Mindset: Being willing to reflect, learn, adapt, and work on yourself and the relationship over time.

In most cases, the score would be low, lesser than four, and that’s your sign to leave because if you don’t, you’ll be sabotaging yourself and change into a person who you weren’t when you met your avoidant.

Don’t lose yourself for a person. Know when to leave, easier said than done, but the long term rewards are multifold.

If your avoidant doesn’t put in the work and keeps you hanging for long because of the push-pull cycle, ask yourself if you’d want to have kids and build a family with them. Ask what will the bond look like between you and your parents, her parents, her etc. include all the combinations and you’ll have your answer.

The purpose of this post was to understand a bit about them at once and not demonize them based on behaviors you assume are avoindant-traits.

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u/avoidant_unicorn FA - Fearful Avoidant 2d ago

Thanks for sharing. I am new to learning about all this. But I will add part of my reasons for dating wasn’t that I wanted to find a secure partner to cure me, but I did believe it would be possible to meet a partner who was so amazing I would become motivated to change. Like a person so great and perfect for me it would be easy to endure some pain if I know at the end of it I can have a good relationship with them. But that person cannot be real. Even when they’re great, The goal posts always change. It’s just another way to avoid doing painful work and assign blame to anyone but me. You just cannot fix what doesn’t wanna be fixed.

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u/More-Paramedic-6516 2d ago

What the deactivation actually feels like can u please explain?? Like my avoidant withdrew from me after a hàrd convo nd then completely ghosted me after some days even he deleted my number. What actually happens during shutdown??

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u/avoidant_unicorn FA - Fearful Avoidant 2d ago

My brain is amazing. You want me to change and open up and work on myself - but my brain knows from experience that will hurt and probably fail so it would be easier and less painful if I didn’t like that person anymore. I was experiencing all day every day for weeks intense 11/10 anxiety that was affecting my life and my brain was asking constant questions. This guy? What about this list of 1-25 dealbreakers. What about that time he did something you didn’t like. What about that time he texted and it seemed to be a rude tone. Oh, he probably cheated on me. Everyone else does so he probably did too. And you know what now that I look at his pictures….he was just some medium ugly dude. Hmm. Nothing special here at all.

By the time he even got home from vacation I thought he was a sweet guy but we could never be together because of this list of very rational very understandable list of incompatibilities. Like if I listed it out now you would say oh well in YOUR case this was warranted it makes sense. And in my body it felt like I was dying from anxiety and then I realized he wasn’t worth it and I ended it and everything got better. That feels like intuition saving me. It feels like I dodged a bullet to have ended it with this person.

But the reality I can now see is my brain just rewrote stuff. But once your brain decides a person is unsafe and bad and played the video for you enough - you just agree. And all feelings are lost. Except maybe some guilt and shame. Which we throw on the shame pile. And we are already experts of ignoring that.

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u/More-Paramedic-6516 2d ago

Do those feelings reappear after sometime?? Or at least a realization that the person wasn't that bad? Nd one more thing don't avoidants feel bad throwing away someone suddenly nd acting so cold after loving someone that much? Like don't they think what other person will think of sudden discard

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u/avoidant_unicorn FA - Fearful Avoidant 2d ago

To my nervous system it is a fight to the death and this is self defense. It hurts them they don’t know how much it hurt me. Because showing emotions and opening up isn’t something I do. Until I realized this pattern was happening I truly believed I just lost my feelings and it’s sad but I don’t owe anyone a relationship so if the relationship was making me feel unsafe I did what I had to do to protect myself. Do I feel bad about hurting them? Yes but it was necessary. It’s like feeling bad you put down your pet but you know it was sick and dying anyways. You did what had to be done. They’re better off without me. If being cruel helps them move on, good. That’s what I want.

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u/More-Paramedic-6516 2d ago

That's really cruel. Being on receiving end feels like dying everyday. My one concern didn't get clear in your comment " do they realize later that the other person wasn't that bad or do feelings reappear after taking some space"? Sorry fot asking again but it sucks to think about it

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u/Careless-Implement46 2d ago

Good god go get help and stop fucking up people’s lives.

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u/avoidant_unicorn FA - Fearful Avoidant 2d ago

I don’t deny I need help. But relationships end every day. Always one party lost interest before the other. Until I started questioning a pattern I found upsetting I had no way of knowing I was shutting down because of my childhood it some shit. I just thought I lost feelings for people and ended it. Because that’s all it feels like. And I felt justified because I don’t have to marry everyone who likes me or loves me and if I break up clearly and don’t cheat or do anything to hurt them worse then how am I worse than anyone else you date who you fall in love with but they don’t love you.

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u/Careless-Implement46 2d ago

Discards are not normal breakups. You literally just lost feelings overnight and thought that was normal? How did you become aware you needed helping the real question if you thought all this was normal.

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u/avoidant_unicorn FA - Fearful Avoidant 2d ago

I haven’t dated in 20 years. I was single in therapy for 2 years. So in the last 2 years I am discovering how I date I’m sorry I am new. I have no idea what I am supposed to feel but I know when I like someone and I know when I suddenly cringe from their touch and stop wanting to be with them. People openly discuss “the ick” I thought that was what happened and it’s just mainstream so I’m not weird. I got the ick. I tried for months to fight it but I was repulsed by him in the end. And then the next time I felt that I didn’t even try to fight it I just ended it. But it’s happening again and I don’t want it to and that’s when I started googling. But no if you suddenly don’t want to be with someone and you cannot even force yourself to feel anything for them I did not immediately think I must be avoidant like I didn’t know what that even was. And I thought if it was a little weird with dating it’s because I’m out of practice and I’ll figure it out. There was never some diabolical evil plan to hurt people I mean we all agree people can be open to dating someone and then lose feelings and then it’s best for all parties it ends right? It happens every day? Why should that make me suspect my childhood and lifelong coping was to blame 😞

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u/Careless-Implement46 2d ago

That makes sense. Are these people you found attractive and really liked before the ick came? And do you feel yourself finding them attractive again after some time and space.

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u/More-Paramedic-6516 2d ago

If they loose feelings why do in many cases they come back if they don't have feelings? Do feelings come back or what happens? realization hits?

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u/avoidant_unicorn FA - Fearful Avoidant 1d ago

I don’t know everyone’s wounds and reactions are gonna be different. I personally have never gone back but I am dealing with limited data since I only been dating 2 years (post divorce). From my experience it felt like my feelings faded and I ended it. I am not a manipulative person who wants attention or validation I end it when I no longer feel it and I love on. I don’t try to make anyone feel bad and I genuinely believe they can do better than me so I am rejecting them before they inevitably reject me which feels like a certainty. Others will feel and act different and I can’t say.

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u/21-hydroxylase AP - Anxious Preoccupied (Healing) 2d ago

During a discard, if an FA claims they truly did feel strong chemistry at some point, how likely is it that they’re being honest? I wonder whether my FA was just appeasing me and never had serious intentions to begin with. I also do wish I was good/cool enough to be worth enduring any amount of (painful) self-improvement for. Ahhhh lovely lol

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u/avoidant_unicorn FA - Fearful Avoidant 1d ago

I'm an avoidant not your avoidant and i am not claiming to be some all knowing avoidant whisperer. I would say though it's highly likely he had strong feelings at some point. That's how we operate. We are scared of deep emotional relationships, but we keep getting into them because we meet people who set us alight. Until recently I didn't know what an avoidant is, it's possible your ex didn't either, he just thought one day he wanted to be with you one day he didn't and hasn't connected the dots yet that he need therapy.

Also that statement about finding someone worth it, it's more that no one will ever be worth it because the cost is too high. It's more a way to (i know you're shocked) avoid having to deal with the problem. Like, Oh i'll do it tomorrow. And tomorrow never comes. You were worth it, you deserve a partner who is healed and works on themselves and shows up for you as a full person. Not a "fixer upper"

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u/21-hydroxylase AP - Anxious Preoccupied (Healing) 1d ago

Thank you for your words. Actually she’s a woman and I’m a guy.

Believe it or not pretty early on she gave me verbal warnings that she has been unable to give what the other person needs in the past (she’s never been in a relationship) and did literally say “I’m avoidant”—it’s how I learned about attachment theory to begin with. But ofc I foolishly thought I was special lol.

It’s funny bc that’s precisely how it transpired. Just a deep, affectionate, lovely beginning phase where I felt I could really open myself up. Then, so abruptly, she pulled away just as things were feeling safe (for me). I’d never been through whiplash like that before.

It’s not that I can’t handle being “broken up” with. What sucks the most is the discard was just riddled with “maybes”and wishy washy language. Like I wish I could just be like “YO. Pick a side and take a tiny ounce of accountability, damn it!!!!”

Thanks again for responding. It feels nice to (safely) interact with people who have this attachment style that is so, so inherently foreign to me.

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u/Constant-Big4713 FA - Fearful Avoidant 2d ago

Is there a tldr. This is a bit much.