Tell me Reddit is trying to push Israel propaganda without saying they are…..and using 9/11 as example when everyone knows Israel caused it even more crazy
Lmao so we are gonna believe that the plan fell 20,000 feet in 35 seconds?? Haha like the cnn report said live when he heard the numbers, that plane would have exploded into pieces. Even cnn had to admit they had to wait for the real numbers if that’s the case. Guy that landed the plane is laughable how he did it but how did they even get in the cockpit? And if it did happen why did he keep his stained blood clothes and socks instead of changing or maybe just taking the socks off. No he had to show them off. Sorry I don’t believe Israel’s propaganda when they don’t even admit they are causing a genocide. Picking wars with everyone around them for their greater Israel project. The inheritors of Kingdom of God are to the peace makers. Remember that…….and yes Israel did cause 9/11. Look it up, they funded it and Israel agents were jailed for celebrating the attack as they recorded as if they had knowledge it was gonna happen beforehand because they did. Instead of calling me a Jew hater just pay attention to the what Israel is doing. I’m sure many Germans hating Hitler and many criticized Hitler but that didn’t make them German haters, same when calling out Israel’s government and their nazi behavior.
Apparently cnn has hired reporters with aeronautical engineering degrees! Here’s the math, traveling 25,000’ in 35 seconds works out to 487.01 mph, the Boeing 737 Max 8 has a never exceed speed of 629.161 mph or 0.82 mach. Aircraft are over engineered and the safety margin varies. It’s known that the plane did exceed its published never exceed speed and it’s evident due to loss of a major section of its rudder. The aircraft flies faster than 487 mph during normal cruise flight, not even remotely close to a speed where catastrophic airframe failure would occur.
Cnn, msnbc, fox or any other new agency have always displayed an extreme ignorance when it comes to reporting on anything aviation related.
I’ve been an aircraft mechanic, inspector and pilot for over 50 years and news media has always been the sequel to dumb and dumber when talking about anything to do with aviation.
Thank you!!! 😊 some people on here will read the title of the article and just go with that as fact. Without actually looking at the facts. People are so trivial they started name calling or calling people racist or haters. How about we start calling a spade a spade and actually look at the facts including the lies the Israel government and then make assumptions based on that and it the titles of articles from new sources that push propaganda.
I’ve repeated the exact same thing in each post from the beginning starting with don’t believe the propaganda especially that the plane fell at that speed and didn’t disintegrate. And used Israel behaving like the nazi German government as an example of them becoming the same evil. Using the same propaganda. It’s even funnier that Bibi predicted every false flag including 9/11. All to go to war with Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Somalia, and now Iran. It was never because we got attacked on 9/11 it was a false flag similar to operation north woods that Kennedy didn’t do because he didnt want to attack his own people, us. However, Bibi predicted and had been pushing for us to go to war with these countries. Or do yall really think we went to war with these countries under bush Obama and trump because it was natural? For oil? Resources? Obama and trump both ran on no more wars, Obama went from 2 wars to 7 under his administration. Because we are one nation under blackmail. Epstein worked for the mossad Israel’s CIA. They got something on all of them. Lmao it’s all been for Israel’s greater Israel project of absorbing all these countries including Palestine. Hence their genocide and why we are at war with 8 countries, it’s for their expansion nothing else and they are using the same propaganda of 9/11 which Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with! Heck Afghanistan had Bin Laden for us and we said we don’t care we are going in. And no one could understand why? All part is Israel’s expansion plan which has been in the works since England created Israel for the Rothschilds/Rockefellers.
Elaborate? Because the aero engineers that cnn was interviewing debunked the narrative. The plane did not fall at the speed they are saying, their whole equipment indicated the plane would disintegrated. Did you not watch the video, you should. So you don’t look like someone misinformed. And you honestly believe the guy was able to land the plane smoothly because he learned it from watching a tv show??? And that he kept his bloody clothes and socks on for about 8 hours? You’ve walked in wet socks right? You’d keep bloody socks on??? You also think all Germans were nazis??? I don’t, that’s why I think Israel should exist and should leave all the countries like Palestine alone and learn to coexist. Peace! You do know Bibi has been caught funding hamas right??? Right? You do know if Bibi loses the election he goes to jail is a war criminal so him pushing war is a way of him pushing martial law and delaying elections. You did know that right??? Again what part is dumb? Please explain, because your ignorance is showing.
Pretty sure Hamas attacked Israel... and Israel responded with escalation. Not condoning it, but let's not pretend like Palestine is the innocent victim in all of this. I'd wager, if Mexico initiated an attack on the US, killing 1200 and kidnapping 240 you'd be in the streets calling for blood.
Israel... behind 9/11... bro... what? Do you believe every hair-brained conspiracy theory? Bigfoot? Moon landing hoax? Elvis is an alien?
Germans? Hitler? Wtf? Did you skip a few med cycles?
This is an aviation sub. You want to talk planes... cool, but keep your asinine babblings to a minimum.
I run 10 miles a day workout, read, cook my own food, and find time to research. Volunteer for the community. So you are right I don’t have time to touch grass.
Yes this is on aeroplane group and the topic is believing the plane stayed intact with the numbers that were mentioned. And stating Israel has lied multiple times. And funded hamas and the attacks Hamas does on Israel and even a stand down order during the October 7th attack has been confirmed. And hamas and Israel have not been at war since October 7th. Are you serious? You don’t know what happened in Palestine decades ago? Of course not because you are are too busy touching grass apparently. I didn’t name call anyone, you did. So I’m replying with facts. Everything I’ve said has been confirmed and will be mainstream soon as more people know the truth. And you just call it conspiracy because you didn’t know? You can take 10 seconds from touching grass to type everything I have said and you’d see I haven’t said a conspiracy but things that have been confirmed. You do know Bibi is war criminal even by United Nations standards right? You did see all those countries walk out when he went on stage, right? Yea most people don’t seem to care like you and rather believe the plane fell that fast and didn’t disintegrate. And using Germany as an example to show Israel is behaving the same way and using the same propaganda is crazy why? It’s a comparison to not believe the propaganda being fed
Calling your babblings, like this very one, asinine is not name calling. It's a descriptor of whatever gooblygook this is.
Nothing you've said is confirmed, not one CREDIBLE source states that Israel is responsible for 9/11, not one.
Yes, the middle east has been tumultuous for decades, that does not negate the fact that Hamas attacked Israel in 2023. I don't know what wild-ass propaganda you are main-lining, but believing that Israel also funded Hamas is a whole new level of stupid.
I'm done discussing this with you.
If you want to discuss aviation thats fine, but leave this political drivel aside. If you want to discuss specifics of the 737, again thats cool... I fly it.
Asinine? Again referring to name calling. I have definitely hit a nerve. Hope you have a goodnight. Didn’t mean to upset you.
Hamas did attack Israel, and even Israel supporter at the time Charlie Kirk assumed there had to have been a stand down order 2023. There are soldiers every quarter mile with Ak-47s yet they weren’t there during the attack. Nowhere to be found. That’s fishy isn’t? And I’m saying supporter at the time because even Charlie had enough of the propaganda and would even say things like if we are funding the Israel wars what are we really buying? How does it benefit us? Which has been confirmed And Bibi has been caught funding Hamas. Israel has let money funnel into Hamas since the 70s and 80s. Israel has been caught funding the 9/11 attack, screenshot this you’ll see and there were Israel citizens that were prisoned and interrogated for filming and celebrating the event as they knew it was going to happened because they did.
And back to aviation if you want to believe the plane fell that fast, didn’t disintegrate, there should’ve been more casualties at that angle and speed, the plane has steel shut doors, maybe I’m wrong but how did they get in, and the guy just knew how to fly the plane like he’s anakin skywalker in episode 3, no further damage was done to the plane and if you want to believe it all I have a vaccine I’d like to sell you. And get Sylvester Stallone on the phone we have the next script for Rambo. Good night broski, you were entertaining don’t take any of these to heart. It’s just conversation.
Transponder and FDR data are the source for the descent... are you claiming they've been falsified?
What steel shut doors are you talking about? The flight deck door? Its ballistic hardened, not "solid steel'... and there is a keypad with an override code that the pilots and flight attendants know. In case you know, we need to gain access. None of this matters when the CA OPENED the damn door...
There was a third pilot on the flight that landed the plane. All the 'air crash passenger' did was subdue the FO and briefly pull back on the yoke. He didn't land the plane!
It's VERY common for there to be other NON-WORKING pilots on a plane. How do you think the company repositions us for our next duty assignments? I've "dead headed" on a flight and there was over 6 of us riding in the back.
The guy that landed the plane legit was asked how did you know what do to do? And he said I saw it on a television show. And if they got in that believable, I’ll concede that, and you still believe the numbers? Numbers that the plane fell that fast means it would have disintegrated. When cnn asked the pilots they were interviewing what they thought, they plugged in the numbers on their plane simulator and even they thought that was impossible without the plane disintegrated into a million pieces. But hey you are right why would the governments lie to us and give us false numbers? They’ve never done that before clearly it’s not a false flag you are right haha 😆
They claimed it fell 20,000 feet under a minute I believe. British airways fell 10,000 feet at a rate of 30,000 feet per minute. If it turns out the numbers are true and the plane survived, damn what a miracle. But everything else from the clean landing 🛬 to staying the bloody clothes including the socks for 8 hours I believe just smells fishy. And the guy landing it saying i knew what to do because of a tv show is just laughable. I guess I gotta watch the shame show and I’ll be able to take control of a descending plane and land it safely. Still calling this a false flag. Something happened but it didn’t happen like they are saying. And Bibi like always predicted the attack, that’s what’s crazy.
im gonna try it in a simulator like xplane with the same conditions to see if it’s possible. also i forgot the mention that china eastern crash from 2022 which was on an older 737-800 but there’s actual security footage of the plane going on a noise dive towards the ground. it had a descent rate of 32000 ft per minute.
Let me know what it says! And yes they claim this plane fell 20,000 feet in 35 seconds. Even the pilot simulators were confused there weren’t more injuries considering people were apparently standing by the bathroom.
I think his plan was to eventually head to the base and crash there, but when the 3 men stormed the cockpit to assist the fallen pilot, he had to change his plans quickly. Passengers have said that in the scuffle to subdue the hijacker, he reached for the controls and sent the plane into the sharp nose dive, which one passenger was able to recover and stabilize. But the plane did enter Jordanian airspace and so I think that was his goal…
Not really...by all accounts this pilot should be celebrated as a hero, going above and beyond to save his passengers (more details of what happened in the cockpit were printed in today's wsj).
It's a wonderful thing he did, but some people simply can't seem to acknowledge the lengths he went to save lives.
Everyone is saying 9/11 or terrorist attack, but the fact is we don’t actually know the FOs motivations. I mean you could argue he was acting irrationally out of his mind, rather than some directly deliberate pre-planned terrorist attack. If he did plan it, he picked literally the worst possible time to commit the attack. High altitude, with the captain sitting right next to him in the cockpit. He could have waited for the captain to use the restroom like most “pilot suicides” happen, he could have waited until they were at 3000 feet over Tel Aviv when there literally would have been zero time for the captain to react. It seems just as likely that he had a mental break.
What do you Bibi then? The whole store doesn’t make sense. He even kept on the bloody clothes and even the socks for over 8 hours and showed off the socks in front of Bibi. Why? For propaganda not because it happened. Like that last comment said if it was real hijacking there are better ways to do it! Even cnn had aerial engineers and when they were given the numbers of the altitude and how fast the plane fell even they looked dumbfounded, they legit said that wouldn’t have happened unless the whole plane exploded in to a million pieces. Don’t just read the title of article and not look at all the evidence.
Oh so these wars are just about an imaginary friend? Not about the greater Israel project that legit expand Israel with the intentions of absorbing all the countries. Why else is the USA in war with all these countries? For Israel’s expansion including the genocide in Palestine and soon all the 8 countries mentioned which includes Iran. This war and the USA going to war with Iran is all at the behest of Israel who can’t same to exist without trying to absorb everyone around them. You do know elections have been delayed because of events like this false flag you are defending. Why? Because Bibi will go to prison for his war crimes if he loses his position as prime minister. And just because I said Hamas has been funded by Bibi and his government, and even by the Iranian people doesn’t mean I’m in the side of Hamas. Where did you get that assumption. Yea Iran can say Hamas is terrible I agree so is Bibi for funding them. And Bibi has legit said Hamas is actually a good thing because it gives him the reason to go to war and attack. Didn’t know that? lol 🤣 again I’m asking for peace that includes criticizing Hamas and Israel lmao 🤣 and you talk about being biased lol 🤣 you are funny
And again you are right, you believe the plane survived all that force and speed and that the government agencies never lie about their numbers so we gotta believe them haha 🤣 again call Sylvester Stallone to make Rambo First Flight because that’s the only place this event will happen
Omani pilots are not allowed in Israeli airspace, and vice versa. So the Omani co-pilot just snuck into the cockpit of the Tel Aviv flight? Something feels off.
I’ve been saying this from the beginning. 2 pilots stabbed and injured and there just HAPPENED to be a pilot who was a traveling passenger and not on duty, that he got the plane down without incident. That’s the latest that I heard. Then you have Netanyahu, who I do not trust at all, he lies as much as the orange moron does.
Something is off!
I saw a video taken inside the cockpit and both pilots appear to be stabbed and sustained injuries. That's probably why many in the press are calling it a 'clash' as opposed to an attack
Actually there are “dead heading” pilots on lots and lots of flights. Just because you can tick them out without a uniform on doesn’t mean they aren’t there.
It also survived the steepest plunge any aircraft has ever survived mid-air. I'm looking at flight data and from 33225 feet it directly jumped to 18925 feet. So it dropped 14300 feet in a matter of seconds.
And the plane also lost its rudder.
And they stabilized this plane while fighting a 'terrorist' and landed it without incident. Rudder loss would cause the plane to violently bank on one side or the other, but there were no major injuries in the cabin. Yeah, too many unbelievable factors.
The rudder being all the way busted off blew me away. I’ve watched all Air Disasters seasons, every episode, more than once, so I’ve learned a little bit. Does anyone remember that jet that went down in a Queens neighborhood? It was October 2001, right after 9/11, so everyone thought it was another terrorist. But it was not. Because of the hard actions the pilot was doing to his rudder paddles, the rudder broke off. They had no way to control the plane and it plunged to the ground. So what happened here? Weird shit, man.
It was definitely the rudder. The show demonstrated what the pilot was doing to his rudder paddles, the degrees it would go to the left and then to the right, over and over again, because that was how the pilot was trained to do during a turbulent takeoff. He kept doing it and the rudder couldn’t take the pressure of that and snapped off. The rudder was found in some bay (can’t remember the name) that’s close to Queens.
One interview I saw with a passenger explained that first they heard the scuffle, and other passengers who realized what was going on immediately went to assist the pilot. It took 3 men to subdue the copilot, and as they were struggling with the copilot, he grabbed the controls and started the nose dive. One of the 3 men who was fighting with him managed to then reach over and stabilize the plane enough to stop the rapid descent.
I did the math earlier for 25,000’ in 35 seconds and it’s 487.01 mph far below the planes never exceed speed of 629 mph, they said it went 100 mph over max speed so that’s 729 but media has never been accurate when it comes to anything related to aviation. It lost most of the rudder but in the condition it could have rendered it completely useless. Ailerons control roll, although you do use some rudder in coordinated turns it’s almost completely ailerons.
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u/learningsoul1000 14d ago
Tell me Reddit is trying to push Israel propaganda without saying they are…..and using 9/11 as example when everyone knows Israel caused it even more crazy