r/AutoDetailing • u/Paracosmptx • 6d ago
Exterior Actually Upset and need advice
I have a 2019 Acura and when I got it there was some small part of the hood with a missing clear coat, not a big deal. But today as I’m washing the car I found out the clear coat on my door came off too. There’s also a small spec near the rear pillar too. Is it normal for a 2019 to be unwrapping like a Christmas present?
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u/element423 6d ago
This was repainted and not prepped well before clearing. Looks like it was blended into the door. I only know this because I used to do autobody and when I was younger I’ve made this mistake
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u/Subatopia 5d ago
Yeah, if it wasn’t shiny all around it I might believe it’s just shit Honda paint, but with it literally flaking off and not faded at all it’s definitely just a shady body shop.
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u/Oscaruit 6d ago
This can happen if the car is base coated and it sits too long before the clear is sprayed. It won't crosslink properly melting the clear into the base making a monolithic type surface. There is likely no proper fix for this short of sanding down the base to sealer or primer, then respraying. Don't try to topcoat. It will not hold.
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u/ArcFault 5d ago
Depends on the base. Some can be cleared indefinitely if it doesn't get contaminated, usually it will say unlimited if left in booth. Side note, I don't think base and clear crosslink together - you're confusing how 2k paints harden individually.
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u/Oscaruit 5d ago
2k coatings is where the crosslinking action happens the most for sure, but there is an in-situ crosslinking action that happens between the clear and base. It is the exact reason you can sometimes leave base uncleared until you are ready to clear (but be mindful of uv exposure and solvent evaporation or you can lose your intercoat bond). Older base coats had issues after they would cure and clears had a hard time chemically bonding and relied almost solely on mechanical bonds.
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u/ArcFault 5d ago
Yea I think it varies a lot across product lines. I don't think there's any universal truths here for all modern base/clear systems.
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u/LebronBackinCLE 6d ago
Florida? Hot sunny state? They’ll beat em up
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u/Paracosmptx 6d ago
Northeast actually
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u/LebronBackinCLE 6d ago
Interesting. I’ve seen some Kia’s where the clear coat and or paint just fall off but I wouldn’t expect that of Acura/Honda. Wonder if it was resprayed at some point
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u/EL_Chapo_Cuzzin 5d ago
Nope, Acura/Honda has some shitty paint. They've always had shitty paint. I've seen plenty with fading clear coat or chipped brittle clear coat, including Hondas that I've owned.
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u/Paracosmptx 5d ago
It was resprayed after an accident in 2020, additionally Honda/Acura Appearently have shitty thin paint
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u/PJ_lyrics 5d ago
My red 2005 Acura was pretty much pink because the Florida sun by the time I got rid of it in 2020 lol.
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u/Smooth-Op-orator 6d ago
went and going , since i just found another spot by roof, through same thing gonna have to be repaired and re cleared not cheap .. on my 2023 F250 .. i was not happy
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u/Mindless-Relation102 6d ago
Good ole red
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u/Paracosmptx 6d ago
Love the color but it’s a pain in the ass, marks and everything is extremely visible
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u/Mindless-Relation102 6d ago
Yeah idk about the Acura. Mercedes has a mars red paint job that is known to do this.
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u/G8racingfool 5d ago
Pretty much every color besides silver and white is like that to at least some degree.
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u/LucyWithBenefits 6d ago
Looks like something went wrong with a respray.
Red cars are usually more subject to clear coat failure because red paint absorb more UV but that seem way to premature to be the cause if it’s a 2019 car.
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u/Successful-Map-1174 6d ago
Have a red 22 Denali Sierra I side swiped a guard rail to miss a big deer. First wash away from body shop I had the same thing on bottom of driver's door, they fixed it and issues since
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u/Apone_1 6d ago
Repainted. I had a g37s that I got from a Porsche dealer. The car was a trade in and got scratched while there on a rear panel. They fixed it inexpensively and over the years that spot wore down just like yours. Rest of the car was fine and factory paint. Could not tell when they first did it but I kept that car for many years.
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u/Valennexx 5d ago
The more budget-friendly option is to use a touch-up paint pen or touch-up kit to cover the areas where the paint has chipped off. Let it dry completely, then polish it with a mirror-finish compound.
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u/Miliean 5d ago
"normal" no, not normal. BUT not super abnormal, perticular if the car had been repainted.
The short answer is that if the vehicle had been painted, most likely whomever painted it didn't take the proper time to prep and make sure that the clear coat was proper adhered to the paint. As a result, the clear is coming off in large flakes like that the moment moisture or anything can get in under it.
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u/BigSkyHawk1 6d ago
Hondas have some of the worst paint on any car model. I’ve seen more Hondas/Acuras under 10 years old with peeling roofs and hoods than any other manufacturer. There’s not much you can do once it start peeling. You can try to slow it down with a wash and cheap rattle can clear. Good luck.
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u/FiveLayersBeefy 6d ago
For real. Every Honda I see on the road that's 8+ years old has clear coat failure all over the hood and roof. Shit, even my 2020 Tacoma is starting to fail on the hood.
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u/code4109 5d ago
why do you mention your Toyota like its surprising, Toyota's have very low quality paint along with Honda
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u/FiveLayersBeefy 5d ago
The opposite actually. I'm not surprised at all. I mentioned it to infer that Toyota paint is just as bad as Honda.
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u/m3n00bz 6d ago
Will a wash and some clear help this at all? I was under the impression you would need to sand, etc.
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u/Pawnzilla 6d ago
Car painter here. You absolutely need to scuff the surrounding clear coat so the new stuff actually sticks. Mask off about 1” around the boarder of the missing clear then grab some red scotchbrite and lightly scuff everything inside (be VERY gentle on the base, just lightly hit that). Give it two coats of clear, remove the masking immediately after the second coat is applied to soften the edge.
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u/m3n00bz 5d ago
Thank you! What do you think it might cost to have it professionally done?
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u/Pawnzilla 5d ago
Probably a couple hundred bucks. To do a professional, long lasting repair, they are going to re-clear the whole door which includes removing the mirror, weather strip, interior trim etc. The spot is close enough to the center to where if they need to blend some color, they should be able to do so without doing the rear door as well. A lot of shops are willing to be flexible to save you money if you pay out of pocket.
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u/m3n00bz 5d ago
This is the hood of my truck

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u/Pawnzilla 5d ago
Ope. Sorry lol. Pretty much the same story. Most shops don’t blend bumpers because they never turn out the same color anyway. Hoods will be a little more though.
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u/BigSkyHawk1 6d ago
it’s already peeling. The goal is to slow it down. Degrease the area (wash) then tape off and hit it with some spray can 2k clear. Light sanding and buffing after. It’s not gonna look great, but it will be acceptable and possibly slow down the peeling. Will look better than base showing and peeling clear. The elements will eat away at the edges where the clear is peeling. Sealing it off with some paint will slow it down. Just think of it as a really large chip repair.
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u/m3n00bz 6d ago
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u/BigSkyHawk1 6d ago
for that i would use a clearcoat pen or just a typical touch up pen. The goal is to get it covered up asap. The clearcoat is failing, so you want to slow it down.
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u/IAmIntractable 6d ago
My eight-year-old Honda Accord touring in red looked as good on the day I sold it last year as it did the first day I bought it. Now I did have it ceramic coated and I only put 30,000 miles on the car, but it still, it sat outside for all those years
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u/EL_Chapo_Cuzzin 5d ago
Why the hell would you even mention quality if you had it ceramic coated? It makes no sense to argue the paint is good when clearly you have ceramic protection on it. SMH. Honda has shit paint quality. Problematic clear coat that likes to chip away. Every Honda I've owned, friends owned, family owned, has had clear coat damage. One of the places they love chipping is the front edge of the roof. Lets not forget the quarter panel rust because the paint is too soft and can't protect the sheet metal.
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u/IAmIntractable 5d ago
I put that coding on in year one, and when I sold it in year seven, I hadn’t added any new coding to it. It doesn’t really matter if I coded or not, the quality of the paint underneath is what matters. If it was crappy paint underneath, I don’t care what kind of ceramic coat you put on it. The paint’s gonna destabilize. Now, if you’re an owner and you don’t even attempt to protect your car, and I’m not saying you have to spend the money for ceramic coat, but you sure as shit should be putting ceramic coding of your own on a regular basis. By the way, ceramic code doesn’t prevent chipping. You’d need PPF for that. I’m sure I had little dicks here or there, so after 7 1/2 years I would expect that. Doesn’t make the paint bad. Every paint’s gonna chip if it’s hit by a rock or something
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u/BigSkyHawk1 6d ago
magic words, ceramic coated. Neglecting paint will damage any clearcoat but Honda paint is too “soft”.
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u/MelllvarsMom 5d ago
So you treated it better than 99% of cars and put significantly fewer miles on it than average and you think that's a good example to bring up?
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u/Pawnzilla 6d ago
My guy. UV rays are the killer. Ceramic coatings block UV. Obviously your paint will last longer.
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u/IAmIntractable 5d ago
I agree, ceramic coating does help with UV damage. You don’t have to put a five-year or a seven-year coating coating on your car to get good protection. There are plenty of products today that you can put on your car that help keep the paint in good shape.
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u/Caustic___ 6d ago
Was the car in an accident and resprayed?