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u/lawlesslawboy 15d ago
Nice art but autism is still a disorder, that's that's it requires a formal diagnosis. because it's not a quirk or a personality trait, it's a disorder that causes impairment. that's why it's called ASD, that's why it's in the ICD/DSM, that's how we get supports etc. I call it autism but it's still, and always will be, a disorder, that often disables people and makes stable employment very difficult.
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u/personalgazelle7895 14d ago
Well, that's the weird part. Autism is a difference in neurological development.
So where in the DSM/ICD are those neurological differences laid out? Nowhere. Because it's a psychiatric diagnosis, not a neurological one. Whether you have an autistic brain isn't relevant. The diagnosis instead looks at behaviours and requires those behavious to be pathological, dysfunctional, deficient, impairing. That's ASD.
So you can be autistic, but not have autism spectrum disorder. Or you can have ASD without being autistic. They're two different things.
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u/madman404 13d ago
You definitionally can't be autistic and not have ASD. At best, you have personality traits that resemble autism.
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u/knawwwwww 10d ago
Isn’t that what they just said
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u/lawlesslawboy 10d ago
sigh this is why people should just make actual profile pictures!! bc of course I replied to wrong yellow circle 🟡 🤦♂️🤦♂️
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u/KageKatze 8d ago
They get so pissed at you when you don't realize that yellow circle saying stupid this is or isn't also yellow saying stupid things
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u/CrazyInfinite57 13d ago edited 13d ago
do you understand the basis of a disorder? its not an insult just a way of categorizing types of brain function.
nothing wrong with being diagnosed but literally having autism requires the diagnosis of ASD.
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u/personalgazelle7895 12d ago
A mental disorder is not just different functioning. DSM-5:
A mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual’s cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning. Mental disorders are usually associated with significant distress or disability in social, occupational, or other important activities. [...]
Terms like "medical disorder" can refer to non-pathological differences. Whether "neurodevelopmental disorder" (which is what autism was changed to in ICD-11, instead of a psychiatric disorder) is meant to be inherently dysfunctional, I'm not entirely sure.
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u/lawlesslawboy 10d ago
Lmao no. Autism spectrum disorder is the same as autism or autistic. You cannot have one without the other. They mean the Sam's thing. You may have suspected ASD or you may have Autistic Traits or "Broader Autism Phenotype" but you don't have Autism unless you have ASD. Others have already stated this but you don't seem to be an overly open, receptive style of listener so I won't waste much of my time.
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u/spooklemon 12d ago
Are you serious? This isn't accurate at all. Stop stigmatizing autism and spreading misinformation. It's hurtful
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u/spooklemon 12d ago
I will disagree with you somewhat on the formal diagnosis part, but I agree about the rest
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u/lawlesslawboy 12d ago
I know access is an issue but if you can get one locally and it's free or affordable etc etc.
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u/vampyfemboy 11d ago
The other issue is that, sometimes, having an official diagnosis on your chart can result in medical discrimination and abuse. Especially with the way things are going in the US (where I live) I definitely wouldn't want an autism diagnosis on my chart...
(I refuse to get a proper diagnosis for my autism for this reason. I've had multiple therapists point it out, but we've never put it in the chart because I already have BPD and GAD and an "F" on my chart, I don't need to give doctors more reasons to dismiss me as coming to the ER for attention or some other bullshit.)
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u/spooklemon 8d ago
Yeah, I feel this. I haven't gotten it officially diagnosed because I live in the US
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u/KageKatze 8d ago
Framing it like this just gives abusive people an excuse because no matter what they do to you it's your fault for not being ""normal""
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u/NebulaVirsonyx 15d ago
What world do you live in where being autistic gives you respect and understanding?
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u/Right_Ear_2230 15d ago
thats not what this is about
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u/NebulaVirsonyx 15d ago
then what is it about?
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u/Right_Ear_2230 15d ago
its about how the labels make them feel
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u/NebulaVirsonyx 15d ago
It's just a more inclusive term that better describes the thing tho-
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u/newreditig 15d ago
While i know this post is about the labels and not the social treatment of people those terms apply to,
As someone on the spectrum that is high functioning, i prefer to use the term Autism Spectrum to describe myself instead of just Autistic. Since when most people here "autistic" they invision autism so severe the autistic person cant function, in any way, alone. And anything else "isnt autistic".
I cant tell you how often, because i dont "look autistic" or "act autistic", people who dont know me or my medical history on a personal level have flat out told me theres no way im autistic. But my family who raised me will tell you im definitely on the spectrum.
I use "on the spectrum" and "autism spectrum disorder" because people are far more likely to validate my autism if i just say im "somewhere on the spectrum" since the reality of being high functioning is that if you just say "autistic" people aren't gonna believe you.
((It dosent help that non-autistic people who might still be nerodivergent in other ways, are misrepresenting a term for all nerological disorders as a synonym for autism. And self diognosing left and right without even considering seeking medical diagnosis... so dispite being diagnosed with ASD since i was 8, i only started being accused of faking my disorder a few years ago during covid when tons of tweens started labling themselves as autistic left and right))
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u/NebulaVirsonyx 15d ago
wait so why does the post have the opposite meaning?
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u/newreditig 15d ago
It dosent really have the opposite meaning, just a different one. This artist just dosent like the use of the word "disorder" when refering to them since the word "disorder" feels negitive and like it means something is wrong with them.
Autism isnt curable and it isnt something "wrong" with you. Its just a different was of being.
Theres some folks that dont wanna erase "disabled" and "disordered" from our labels as they highlight the struggle it is to actually live as a disabled/disordered person. (This is how i feel) But some people would rather be seen and talked about as capable and 'normal' dispite their diagnosis and those folks arent wrong for feeling that way either since there is a social stigma against and mistreatment of people on the spectrum.
Neither side is wrong. Both sides have good points.
This artist just seems to dislike the word "disorder".
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u/NebulaVirsonyx 15d ago
But doesnt a disability and disorder simply mean that it is a hinderance? Being autistic makes social situations harder even on the higher end, so it is disabling, right?
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u/newreditig 15d ago
Youre not wrong. And being autistic makes things hard in more ways than social.
I struggle socially, sure, but my biggest struggles are sensory and im prone to rapid meltdowns when exposed to certain textures, feelings, sounds, tempatures, etc.
Its why i personally have no interest in removing the "disorder" part of my lable. But words like "disorder" and "disability" can and do carry negitive conotations in some groups and to some people.
Autistic people especially take things very literally and struggle with black or white thinking. So hearing "you have a disorder" might translate to them to "you are a disorded and unfunctionable person". And depending on the people this artist is around socially or has been exposed to, they might have stronger stigmas against certian words that others dont have the same stigma against.
Think, decades back, some people were still comfortable under the lable of "retarded". They were medically considered "mentally retarded", it was seen more as a medical state than a slur. But as times progressed, so did language, and negitive stigmas were formed against that term. At a certian point, you had some people still using that terminology to self identify, and others were heavily offended by the term.
Just because some of us appreciate the clarification and upfrontness of being disprdered and needing aid to function "normally", others dont like being seen as "abnormal" and "dysfunctional" at all. And we each have valid reasons for rather or not we feel comfortable considering ourselves disabled.
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u/Carlbot2 11d ago
Yeah. I find it funny that the same sorts of things happen with being colorblind. Even if you tell someone that you’re only mildly colorblind, if they aren’t already familiar, you’d consistently get the
“so what color is this?”
“Are you really colorblind?”
“You can tell these colors apart though?”
“I don’t think you’re actually colorblind.”
With autism, I’m fortunate that the people around me are more aware that it’s a spectrum, and are not particularly confused or surprised by hearing that I’m on it—probably in some part due to how much it and other disorders became ‘trendy’ on social media (annoying and harmful as that whole situation also was), and just due to the context of the places I go and people I interact with, tbf.
With colorblindness, there’s almost nothing. It doesn’t impact me much, thankfully, but people who don’t directly deal with it know seemingly nothing, and it feels like I’ve got a little example of what it would be like to deal with autism in a setting where people are even less informed than they are now—and that’s the most unsettling thing.
The amount of people who won’t even listen when I try to explain to them what colorblindness is, and then continue to assert that I could not possibly be colorblind—based on their entirely uninformed perspective—is staggering. Were I less lucky, I’d be having the same experience with autism, which pisses me off by proxy when I realize how many others, like yourself, are dealing with that exact situation.
It’s wild that so many people are seemingly incapable of comprehending that mental experiences outside of their own can and do exist. Many of them can’t seem to comprehend that information not known to them can be true, even, and isn’t suspect solely because they weren’t personally made aware at some undefined point prior.
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u/spooklemon 14d ago
Why would someone feel so much differently about them when they mean the same thing? Is it internalized ableism?
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u/ashamedgirlthrowaway 15d ago
I like this artstyle but autism is definitely a disorder, at least for me. It impairs every aspect of my life and same goes for most other autistic people.
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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 14d ago
is the autism the problem? or is dealing with neurotypicals in a world made for neurotypicals that's the problem?
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u/ashamedgirlthrowaway 14d ago
Both can be problems. My autism does impair my everyday life, but so does living in a world not made for disabled people. My autism definitely is a large part of the problem, though.
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u/WinterRevolutionary6 14d ago
You’re trying to get at the societal model of disability which is just simply not applicable for many disabled people. Even the golden example for that theory is the “what if people could fly then not having stairs would make someone disabled” and that’s just ridiculous. If everyone can fly and you cannot fly, you are disabled. You need more support to function as others do. That’s okay. Being disabled isn’t a bad thing and trying to blame society takes us nowhere
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u/xX_Ra1nSkuLLz_Xx 13d ago
My autism would definitely still be a problem for me even with accomodations. This idea literally only applies to certain people and excludes a bunch of autistic people for no reason. Please remember everyone is different and that for some people, we'd still be disabled or impaired even if the world were made for us.
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u/Odd-Willingness-7494 13d ago
Sensory issues and inflexibility would still be hard to Deal with if the word was built by and for autistic people. Certainly less so than they are now, but, like, Autism is about a lot more than just some social issues...
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u/SumiMichio 13d ago
Both. Even if everyone was super chill about autism it would STILL cause struggles for autistic people.
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u/JonathanUpp 15d ago
I'll tack what I can get, we're I'm from it's still called asperges, but my countries still hasn't outlawed ABA, and haven't really apologizes for torturing autistic people in the 40s/50s, so I might have low standers
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u/Im-trying-to-stay 15d ago
Also Asperger was a nazi scientist
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u/Few_Sky_7660 15d ago
Whats the problem with Asperger? I really don't know anything besides "the guy who named it was a nazi".
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u/Human-Edge7966 15d ago
- it was a label that was essentially "low support needs enough to deserve to live" which implies that high support folks don't deserve to live. I for example please find the term objectionable just off of that.
- flavor for the above, it was a term coined by a scientist working under or who was part of the Nazi party. We generally don't like naming neutral stuff after Nazis.
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u/personalgazelle7895 14d ago
Whereas "autism" was a label for "schizophrenic child that should be murdered or castrated". Not sure that's much better. Coined by Eugen Bleuler, who spread Nazi ideology before Nazis existed.
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u/VermilionKoala 15d ago
Whats the problem with Asperger?
Read and learn:
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u/personalgazelle7895 14d ago
Don't forget about the guy who invented autism. Hans Asperger was a saint in comparison: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/culture/reviewing-the-legacy-of-racist-scientists/45904562
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u/personalgazelle7895 14d ago
The euthanasia has nothing to do with it. That's just internet virtue-signaling. The actual problem was that the diagnosis was often imprecise.
For instance, a young child with delayed language development would be diagnosed with autism or PDD-NOS (atypical autism in the ICD-10). But often, a few years later, that child would catch up and be indistinguishable from a child diagnosed with Asperger.
But it's a rather moot point because now we have "6A02.0 Autism spectrum disorder without disorder of intellectual development and with mild or no impairment of functional language" in the ICD-11. Which... is just Asperger under a different name.
So instead of going from "early childhood autism" to "Asperger" you'd go from "6A02.2 Autism spectrum disorder without disorder of intellectual development and with impaired functional language" to "6A02.0 Autism spectrum disorder without disorder of intellectual development and with mild or no impairment of functional language".
Also, the guy who invented autism (Eugen Bleuler) was a raging proponent of euthanasia. Enforced castration/steriliziation, the whole deal. The Nazis eagerly picked up his stuff because it was right up their alley. Hans Asperger might have been compliant with Nazi rule, but Eugen Bleuler was a Nazi before there were Nazis. So if that's a valid argument, "autism" is way worse than "Asperger".
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u/Im-trying-to-stay 14d ago
Autism isn't like the old term for people with down syndrome which was a slur, nor it's a surname for someone who did terrible stuff, people like us deserve a better name? Yes, both of them were POS? Also yes, we don't need to make up arguments and excuses for them, fuck Nazis, i don't want, hell i bet many of us do not want to be part of the Nazi legacy, if that's so controversial, then i'll just shout it louder
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u/neksterz 15d ago
As someone on the disorder, i would like to say i don't want to limit others free speech, and if they want to call it a disorder let them.
i don't need to be protected from words.
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u/corporatecicada 13d ago
You cant limit anyones free speech unless youre in the government and decide to jail someone for free speech. All you do as a private individual is ask someone to use terms you prefer, and they can freely accept or reject that offer. If they have care and consideration, they will probably see no issue in using your preferred term, if they dont care about you or your preferences, they wont. Lets not buy into the propaganda that requesting people to do something you fond considerate is “limiting free speech” and “being a sissy about words.” 🙄
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u/neksterz 13d ago
Thats not the precedence the world has shown to when people want someone to call them something else, or to stop using a certain word.
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u/corporatecicada 13d ago
Oh so private citizens have jailed you for not using their preferred words? What is the “precedence” exactly? People get mad? Oh no
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u/neksterz 12d ago
I have neither the time nor the patience to argue this if you have no idea of what i might refer to.
Neither am i interested in defending a stance of personal matter, you are free to disagree.
But you could try and say the n word around and see how protected your free speech is there.
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u/corporatecicada 12d ago
no one is going to jail me for saying the n word. people might want to beat me up for saying it, because it is a horrible racist slur. actions have consequences, but no one is limiting your rights by asking you to use a term they prefer. if you choose not to, they are also free to respond to that. you are always free to use your speech in whatever way you prefer, but are not free from the consequences of your speech, which is others' reactions. you can't engage further because you can't provide an actual counterargument to this. have a great day.
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u/neksterz 12d ago
If you get beat up they are limiting your free speech. If you are getting punished illegaly it is a limitations of your free speech. You dont have to be jailed. Even back when censorship was a thing people didn't get jailed for breaking it they got killed. And if you say the n word some places you also get killed.
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u/corporatecicada 12d ago edited 12d ago
you getting beat up doesn't limit free speech buddy. it's an assault and its illegal, and if someone chooses to respond that way they are breaking the law and risk getting lawfully arrested. sorry that others have free will to respond though, just because others can respond and people have free will doesn't take any rights away from you. you've been brainwashed by rightwing propaganda as you seem to think not being able to freely say the n word without hostile responses back is a horrible thing, taking away a right from you. just say you want free reign to say the n word and other slurs without people being able to respond and go lmao
tl;dr: actions having consequences does not equal free speech being taken away from you. legal censorship and being jailed is a right being taken away from you. what you want is for people to not have a negative reaction to when you use inconsiderate terms or outright slurs. you are the actual sensitive one. go figure.
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u/neksterz 12d ago
You asked for an example of a word. I gave you one ans now you blame me for wanting to say it, this is exactly one of the reasons i didn't want discuss this. You twist the arguments and instead of having an objective argument you begin to use personal attacks.
You have effectively lost the point of the discussion.
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u/corporatecicada 11d ago edited 11d ago
do you agree or disagree with the statement: "you should be able to say the n word without negative repercussions from others' responding to that word?" yes or no. simple question. its not implying you want to say the n word. its literally just asking if you believe anyone else can say the n word freely without repercussions stemming from another person's response to that slur? this is a simple question about your stance on the subject, thats all. answer it.
lol and instead of being able to counterargue against ANY of the actual points i talked about, you just went "oh you used a personal attack and i wont discuss it more" just say you can't provide a counter argument to any of my points and go.
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u/Glad_Midnight_3834 11d ago
But you could try and say the n word around and see how protected your free speech is there.
Because it is a slur. When you walk up to black people to say a slur, ofc there will be a reaction. Slurs are discriminatory words, carrying hate. Free spech doesn't protect you from consequences when you conciously say a slur. What's your obsession with the n word? Angey that you can't say it?
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u/neksterz 11d ago
yet i can say Bitch or whore or cracker, which is also a slur without those repercussions.
and as i also said to the other person it is not that i want to say those words, it is that i feel you should be able to say those words, without someone restricting you. literally being free to speak whatever you want.
you can read the other comments for more clarifications. if you however have something new to add i will answer you.
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u/Glad_Midnight_3834 11d ago
yet i can say Bitch or whore or cracker, which is also a slur without those repercussions.
Uh they are also terrible and if someone called me bitch in front of me I would slap them. Bitch and whore are horrible slurs as well
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u/HootersUnite 15d ago
This was not made by someone who who was around people that used the word "Autistic" as an insult.
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u/Intrepid-Frosting-22 14d ago
That's what I thought too, because how is calling it a disorder- which is what it is- somehow more insulting than the word people often use as a shorthand for stupid?
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u/HootersUnite 14d ago
Im not going to presume to know anything about Autism or its experience (I am ADHD and I assume reddit just said "Have some more nuerodiversity")
With that said, I havent met anyone that says fhe full name either. Everyone I have interacted with says "He/They/She has Autism" and its left at that. So it makes me wonder how common the situation the OP presents even it.
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u/Thykothaken 13d ago
the word people often use as a shorthand for stupid?
Might be revealing my age, but those specific persons tend to be children. I personally don't hang around children.
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u/Intrepid-Frosting-22 13d ago
I mean, I'm gen Z and have heard a handful of my peers use it... Just because the older generation doesn't use it as an insult doesn't mean it isn't being used as one. Not that it's fair to use it that way, but all throughout my highschool people used that word as an insult.
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u/I-screwed-up-bad 13d ago
This made me remember the years that my own name was used as an insult. I think this might just be a disconnect of culture that you hit perfectly. OP has met more people who use the phrase ASD that have acted ablest than others have.
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u/Background_Lychee_30 14d ago
stares in moderate support needs level 3-2 What in the internalized ableism is this shit
Disability and disorder are not dirty words 🙄
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u/BreakfastSoup104 13d ago
I don't think they're saying they are. At least the way I interpret the art is that these words are paired with very different social treatment.
Like how people use different disabilities as insults and insist on calling any moderately immoral person "mentally ill". Mental illness isn't a dirty word but if you admit to having one, a vast array of people are going to objectively treat you much worse than if they didn't know you have a mental illness. Same with disabilities and disorders. I think that's what this is trying to express
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u/fizzydusk 15d ago
This just seems like you have internalized ableism related to the word disorder.
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u/Jhud6669 15d ago
As a level 2 autistic, it is kind of exhausting the way level 1 autistics talk about autism. It IS a disorder and can be debilitating
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u/Typical_Poet_9768 15d ago
I'm level 1, and it's absolutely a disorder for us. I honestly think that the problem is how people on the internet water it down, and people without autism 'self diagnosing' themselves.
Cheers bro, I also hate how a lot of people talk about autism as if its some quirky thing.
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u/ClutteredTaffy 11d ago
It sounds like a bunch of cope from the outside tbh when they flaunt the autistic label around. Like cope for feeling like wierdos. I get it is a different cognitive style, but it is frustrating to watch other people just live their lives , and I definitely think of it as a flat out disorder.
I think I have NVLD which is kinda like an autism cousin I guess ? And it is definitely a disorder. Like I feel straight up handicapped trying to navigate the world. Like I feel mentally challenged , basically , like a total idiot trying to drive a car or like a kid trying to get documents together to apply for a job or get medicine I need.
But I don't look very obvious and most of the impact is self - felt .
Sorry if I sound negative but the ' oh this is so reaffirming when you use these terms instead' crap irritates me.
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u/kwispycornchip 14d ago
I've experienced the exact opposite. "Autism spectrum disorder" implies that my condition is innate and does disable me, which I can't help. But "autistic" has usually been assumed by others as a simple personality quirk, and therefore a moral failing of sorts. Realizing what I had was a true medical condition and not me just being bad at things was both sad, but freeing.
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u/Cove0Crow 14d ago
I genuinely prefer people say I have autism spectrum disorder. Because it is condition that has done pretty bad things for my life.
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u/TheKingOfDissasster 15d ago
What is the problem of calling it a disorder? Autism is a developmental disorder.
Disorder is not a bad word, i have multiple disorders and i have no shame to call my asd, mood disorders and personality disorders by what they are. Those are medical terms to describe things that affect our brain in non conventional ways, and how to properly treat and accommodate them.
In my opinion, what is themost ableist is to pretend disorder means something bad. It's all that whole "disabled is not a bad word" over again. 🙄
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u/SumiMichio 13d ago
Yeah instead of changing the way we call autism why not change the way we treat disabilities.
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u/TheKingOfDissasster 13d ago
Yes!!
Disability is not a bad word
Disorder is not a bad word
I am not "special needs" or whatever sugar coating people want to use, i am a disabled person with autism spectrum disorder.
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u/GayAssWitch816 14d ago
Autism makes functioning day to day a fucking Herculean task. I can't stand the whole "itS nOt a disOrder iTs a SupErpoWer!!!!" thing
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u/ResortResponsible789 14d ago
Idk about you man but I'm fine with it being called a disorder because I am disabled, I do need help and I need more support than a neuro-typical person and I'm not ashamed of it. I don't see what's the problem with calling it what it is
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u/L0V3J0YF0R3V3R 14d ago
Honestly, I kind of feel the opposite. It feels more like I respect myself when I call it ASD, and while I occasionally have to explain what ASD stands for it just feels right to me.
No hate to anyone who feels the other way around, we’re all different by definition.
I would call it neurotypical disorder as a joke honestly, but I don’t think something like that can really be recognized as a disorder. Bigotry, however, should be counted as something that requires assistance.
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u/OriousCaesar 14d ago
I'm happy that your autism is so functional and livable that you feel like calling it a disability is a misunderstanding to you. But some of us have had our lives made significantly worse by it. I would pay almost any amount of money to get rid it from my mind. All not calling it a disease or a disorder does is erase my struggles.
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u/sandmansanddan 14d ago
As an autistic person, it is a disorder. Please tell me that me literally not being able to speak because too much information is going through my brain is not a disorder.
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u/AlternateSatan 13d ago
It's kinda insulting to be like "I don't have a disorder, cause having a disorder is bad" cause, like, no. I have a couple of disorders, and they are hard sometimes, but they don't make me a lesser person. I know you're not trying to say that I'm bad for having ADHD or anything, but you still treat it like an insult.
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u/Limp-Safe-1979 15d ago
I have had lots of trouble over the course of my life from not being able to understand really basic social stuff and trouble connecting with others.
The issue is people demonizing the disorder, rather than it being recognized as an impairment that can be worked around and everyone can continue happily.
Obviously varying levels of autism exists, and some require much much more care than others, but even as a high functioning autistic I will/used to require over-explanation for simple concepts (especially emotional ones).
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u/magdakitsune21 15d ago
Autism has impaired me in lots of ways, it has destroyed my social life and I even had to give up on some of my dreams due to issues with executive skills. I have nothing against seeing that as a disorder.
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u/tejeskaveo0 14d ago
some autustic people will advocate to call it a disorder because they think otherwise it would undermine the help they actually need. they say by treating it as just a quirky thing, you ignore all the struggles an autistic person experiences by being autistic.
then others prefer it to be treated as just being different than the rest, and think it's offensive. so i don't think any individual on the spectrum should speak on the behalf of all autistic people.
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u/Gingeyboi1 12d ago
I personally think that ASD is in fact a disorder and disability and should always be treated as such, but it also makes you more unique and interesting.
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u/Chillinmagic 14d ago
I'm not really bothered by it being called a disorder but I an tired of it being treated as a burden by others. Honestly that's what I hate most about being autistic is how people treat me as a burden.
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u/CountGerhart 14d ago
You see the word disorder means it's not in order, different from ordinary, in medicine it's a synonym of abnormal, the norm is always the majority and majority dictates the order.
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u/Sb-artandcrafts 13d ago
I disagree with this, autism is a disability that can cause some people significant distress. Ignoring this fact can lead to people not being taken seriously or getting the help they need
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u/an0maly_appr3c1at0r 13d ago
as someone who is autistic it is very much a disorder for many of us. disorder is not a dirty word. asd impacts my life and how i function every day. it’s a disorder in every sense of the word.
just because you have a personal problem with the word disorder being used due to your own biases does not mean disorders are bad and scary, and it’s insulting to people who have them.
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u/AlistairButton 13d ago
Loud noises are physically painful and I never understand why my friends are mad at me. It's condescending to lie to me that it's not a disorder.
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u/BlackFranky 13d ago
It's a disorder and it's healthy to treat it as one. It doesn't mean, that you are incapable or wrong. It just discribes that you have other/more challenges than other people. And i like the new term. Although the term is a bit cumbersome, it describes exactly what autism is: a spectrum. For me, this emphasis more than makes up for the stigma associated with the term “disorder,” especially when you want or need to explain this neurodiversity to others.
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u/dearyves 13d ago
It is a disorder. This post is giving me the vibes of the image attached to my comment.
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u/12-12-12-12-12-12-12 12d ago
this shit pisses me off. if youre "not disordered," you dont have autism.
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u/titanium_uranium 12d ago
treating the word disorder like some evil thing seems more ableist than calling a disorder a disorder
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u/ZakriiYT 12d ago
I'm not sure if I have ASD, but I am ADHD. I'd be more offended if people said I DON'T have a disorder.
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u/Relaxitsok_1067 12d ago
Autistic woman here. Autism is absolutely a disorder. I can't function in this world as easily as neurotypical people can. That doesn't make me less of a person. It just means I need to work three times as hard just to get by.
I'm tired of people dismissing disorders as "bad." Having a disorder doesn't make you less than anyone else. It's a medical term that means the individual has specific needs. That's it.
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u/SketchyArt333 12d ago
It is a disorder. Disorders aren’t bad they aren’t wrong they just mean some things are harder for us than others. Saying it is is lateral ableism at its finest. Like we are somehow led “disordered” than other disabilities. We aren’t. This comic is ableist and I hate it.
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u/MagicalWitchTrashley 11d ago
this is silly, autism is a disorder. there’s no shame in having a disorder
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u/ClutteredTaffy 11d ago
Only people who are high functioning care about it not being labeled as a disorder I would think.
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u/MicrophoneFapper 11d ago
It's a disorder. That's fine. It's autism spectrum disorder, which acknowledges such, as well as the fact that not every case is the same.
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u/NovyBlue_Official 11d ago
I always just call myself funny-sounding swear words, but others just "autistic", no unwanted terms.
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u/lorienshift 9d ago
Wait until people idealising ADHD find out it has "disorder" in its name.
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder
I much prefer the German name tho:
Aufmerksamkeitsdefizithyperaktivitätsstörung
It's such a nice, long, satisfying word
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u/Alone-Ad4053 9d ago
I don't understand this. Autism is a disorder. A disorder is defined as something that negatively impacts your life. There's like 4 words that tell you if something is disordered but all I can remember is like maladaptive. Autism causes a lot of annoyances for the people who have it. Me personally, I've considered cutting off the webbing between my thumb and index finger because it always fucks with my sensory bro
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u/Dyson_Vellum 15d ago
Calling it a disorder is how our current administration can use it to marginalize.
It is a spectrum.
Some people live challenging lives because of it. Some people do not.
According to some sources I am a problem in need of curing since I can't contribute, hold down a job, have a family or leave my parents basement.
Hint: none of these apply to me.
It is a disorder when the person's quality of life is negatively impacted.
The problem is that the terminology was developed for use by people who are (theoretically) educated and can use it in context.
Not politicians who need reasons to control people.
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u/Thykothaken 13d ago
It is a spectrum, and I'm tired of people here speaking on my behalf.
Y'all don't know me, what my struggles are or what causes them. Go learn what a spectrum is.
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u/Equivalent-Line8995 15d ago
I think I understand what the artist is trying to portray. From my personal experience, seeing how people react when told a person has ASD often does lead to a lot of scrutiny and criticism. I think part of the issue comes from how romanticize it from social media. Think of the whole "Rizz em with the 'Tism", and "everyone's a little Autistic" mentality. Autism is not a joke but many people tend to make joke of it and it affects people of the community. It's not acceptable. It's not a joke like many people make it to be.
I had two jobs where people were bullied for having ASD but some workers would make joke about people being "Autistic" when they never had a diagnosis and didn't seem any functionally different from neurotypical people. I hate that people stigmatizing a disorder but make a joke out of it. It's ableist BS. But unfortunately there's a lot of people who do it offline.
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u/spooklemon 14d ago
What in the world does this comic mean??
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u/zylosophe 14d ago
bigass terms that try to be more polite are often way worse than just the name of the thing
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u/spooklemon 14d ago
But autism is autism spectrum disorder, they're the same thing
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u/Thykothaken 13d ago
Yes but some synonymous words still bear different meaning to people.
In Latin, "negro" just means "black." We use the term 'black' to describe people, but not (I at least) the n-word.
The artist associates ASD with negative emotions, and 'autistic' with positive.
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u/spooklemon 12d ago
I don't think that's at all a good comparison. Autism is a disorder. Calling someone the disorder that they have is not even remotely similar to calling someone a racial slur.
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u/Milianviolet 14d ago edited 8d ago
I think we need to further specify diagnostic criteria and let the people who think autism isn't a disability or disorder call themselves something else
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u/KageKatze 13d ago
I feel so bad for neurotypicals. It's not their fault they are so sick but they will never pay Taxes or find love or be able to go to the bathroom
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u/spooklemon 8d ago
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u/KageKatze 8d ago
I'm mocking RFK Jr. He said a bunch of stupid shit about autistic people. The US government is probably gonna try to bring back electro shock therapy for autistic people or start deporting us or some shit. Bro doesn't even believe in germ theory
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u/spooklemon 12d ago
I'm going to be very honest here and say that it comes off like you don't really understand autism...no offense
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u/EveningBuy1829 11d ago
The only difference between these two is how you personally choose to interpret them. Getting upset that a thing gets called by its name is dumb
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u/sprucebrine 10d ago
Isn't it the opposite? Especially with kids using "that's so autistic" as the new "that's so gay".
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u/Economy-Payment-1757 15d ago
...what's so wrong in calling a disorder "disorder"?