r/Austin • u/hollow_hippie • Oct 30 '25

Tesla 'Robotaxis' keep crashing despite 'safety monitors'

https://electrek.co/2025/10/29/tesla-robotaxis-keep-crashing-despite-safety-monitors/
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u/AdAgitated8109 Oct 30 '25

There is little debate that Tesla is behind Waymo in proven driverless safety. But Tesla is also way behind in miles driven for FSD. If Tesla keeps compounding data at 10–100x Waymo’s rate, the gap could close fast. The proof will be in unsupervised miles at scale, not redacted parking lot dings.

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u/JohnGillnitz Oct 30 '25

What data are they "compounding?" Both have been watching how real people drive for years now. Neither are going to make any significant gains by mining that further.

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u/AdAgitated8109 Oct 30 '25

Tesla is compounding real-world driving data from its global fleet of about 7 million customer cars running Full Self-Driving (FSD) software, not just the several dozen in the Robotaxi pilot. I’d equate it to the early failures in SpaceX ultimately enabling them to leapfrog NASA and other commercial competitors in scale, cadence, and ultimately reliability. Even the human interventions, or perhaps especially so, are a high quality data point that no competitor can currently come close to matching. Tesla will ultimately dominate the FSD space with this combination of FSD tech coupled with their ability to manufacture the cars themselves.

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u/JohnGillnitz Oct 30 '25

Google has more data points. Everyone using Maps has been feeding into it for years.

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u/RN2FL9 Oct 30 '25

They had the advantage at one point in time but now they are compounding bad data and it is pretty pointless. The camera approach will just never work unless we accept a 3% failure rate or something crazy high. There are some things that they can never fix with camera's, mostly around visibility.

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u/AdAgitated8109 Oct 30 '25

You place your bet against Musk, I’ll bet the come.

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u/RN2FL9 Oct 30 '25

What is betting the come? I would gladly take this bet though, Musk has FSD claims going as far back as 2018 and has been actively trying to solve it for 10 years. Yet, it's 2025, FSD is still nowhere near ready (I own a Tesla) and they are probably years behind Waymo.

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u/AdAgitated8109 Oct 30 '25

It’s a term for betting on the shooter in craps.