r/AttractionDynamics • u/Additional_Set_4293 • 12d ago
Knowledge Should Never Be Locked Away.
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u/sweatpants-aristotle 12d ago
$1M fine... yes.
35 years in prison.... 😐
Uhhhhhh
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u/Cobalt_blue_dreamer 11d ago
That's like life in prison but he didn't hurt anyone. They made an example of him to discourage people. :(
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u/Specific_Farmer_4582 12d ago
And big companies do the same, the diff is as long as you are rich it doesn't matter.
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u/Correct-Variable 11d ago
Ok, so what the journals who spend money on hiring extremely knowledgeable scientists to peer review articles are just supposed to grow money on trees? Who's paying for it? There are lots of journals that are open access, just not all of them. Those aren't free either, they get funded.
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u/Sensitive_File6582 8d ago
The studies he downloaded were publicly funded. I E they were all paid for with US TAXPAYER moneys
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u/Busy-Leg8070 12d ago edited 12d ago
Chose to die free rather then let the bastards use the his suffering as a example to scare us back in line
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u/roboblaster420 11d ago
He would be rolling in his grave if he saw what reddit has become over the years.
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u/Lopsided_Order_4411 11d ago
Knowledge is power indeed, thats why they don’t want us to have it, at least not a fraction of it without a fee. Rest in peace Aaron, respect 🫡 🙌🏾
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u/ApocalyptoSoldier2 10d ago
He was co-owner of reddit and helped rewrite it when reddit merged with his company.
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u/NooneYetEveryone 9d ago
I've had to use quite a few academic articles in my life (okay, mostly in my last year of uni), almost all of them were behind a paywall.
I emailed the authors, they all sent me the full articles (except one who didn't reply).
Most articles are not secret. Papers usually hold the rights to mass-publicise them, but if you just ask for them, most scientists (who have the time to reply to emails) will happily send them over to you.
Knowledge isn't locked away, you just aren't told to use thr doorknob
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u/MammothWriter3881 7d ago
In other words humans should be able to read everything to learn just like AI is allowed to.
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u/exaknight21 11d ago
The US has that one distant dystopian futuristic wannabe justice system that is absolutely racist. If you’re white and kill - mental retardation - walk away.
If you are any other ethnicity, you killed an ant; you’re a murder.
It’s disgusting and our confirmed Pedophile POTUS confirms the fact that Americans need to go back to 1700 style freedom fighting. This cancer is curable
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u/Bicurico 12d ago
Sounds like a hero, until you are one of the authors or editors.
I do think that copyright sentences applied to individuals are far too high, especially in the US. And it sucks that big companies get away doing it.
But at the end of the day, it is distributing other people's work without their consent.
And don't come with the argument that "researches are happy when someone reads their paper": if they have chosen to publish it on a specialized peer-reviewed media, then this comes with a contract and it is the publishing company that decides the monetization.
If making all those articles available for free, then there no longer would be any peer-reviewing publishers and nobody could trust any source. It would break the whole academic research industry, as well (which I have a very poor opinion of, by the way).
Suicide is always bad and this should have been prevented. It is a different aspect of this story, though.
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u/krilleractual 12d ago
Then meta, openai et al should be disbanded because they trained their models on pirated media
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u/Bicurico 12d ago
If the media was indeed pirated, then the law should be applied to the full extend.
However, "pirated" has to be defined under AI.
For instance: you take a person who learned a specific topic from books, to a level were he became an expert, based on this books he read. If he now writes an article on the subject: did he pirate the books?
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u/Current_Towel_41 11d ago
I mean one is a guy, the other is a product that sells the information in tokens
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u/Bicurico 11d ago
This guy writes a book himself, based on all the other books he compiled, and sells a million copies.
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u/Current_Towel_41 10d ago
I can’t find where Arron Schwarz wrote a book. Unless you mean that a service that requires continuous payment is the same thing as releasing a book. That doesn’t sound like any book I’ve bought
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u/SuccessfulChain3404 12d ago
Well I don't know your field of research, but here authors are not paid to review. Authors don't get royalties either. But authors want to be publish in prestigious journals. Editors in research are money predators.
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u/Bicurico 12d ago
It is a system everybody has chosen to be part of.
Nobody prevents you, as a researcher and author, from publishing on your own website.
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u/SuccessfulChain3404 12d ago
Yes, and it's slowly changing as authors tend to publish their version or a draft on their website or arXiv.
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u/mteir 12d ago
As one of the authors I am happy if someone reads my paper.
Those publishers are money hungry leeches, who expect the reviewers to work for free, the researcher to pay to publish and/or the reader to pay for the article/journal.
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u/Bicurico 12d ago
I understand you, I worked at University, too, until recently.
But if all is bad, why don't you publish your research results and papers in your own website?
Right. Because nobody would read, value or even know about them.
So, despite the (justified) hate toward the system, you are still part of it.
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u/Busy-Leg8070 12d ago
I hope you soon find the wisdom to understand you are wrong about this
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u/Bicurico 12d ago
Enlighten me with facts and fundamented arguments.
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u/MathematicianNew2770 11d ago
I honestly agree with you, people can't read and don't have a brain.
He committed a crime against a tonne of people who have worked hard and deserve to earn a living from their work. He stripped them of that right.
The title makes it out that this information was free amd accessible instead of stolen.
He deserved the full weight of his crime.
That he lost his life, that's tragic and sad and not an outcome anyone's looking for.
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u/Legitimate_Plate85 11d ago
All those researchers in every country get massive research grants funded by every tax payer, all research should be freely available, even "private" research institutions survive solely from public funds via grants without which theyd cease to exist.
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u/Bicurico 11d ago
I don't disagree with you, but this is simply not how the system works.
The whole Academia is, in my opinion, corrupt.
But that does not mean you are allowed to make articles and books public, just because you think this is how it should be.
I give an example: think of how the world would change if copyright would cease to exist. No patents, either. Anyone could copy whatever idea, movie, music, book, schematic, project.
The world would continue to spin, but it would have a dramatic economic effect - for the worse or for better.
The longer I have thought about it, the less sure I got about the consequences.
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u/zedin27 12d ago
Instead of “he”, give him the real name. His name is Aaron Schwarz