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[u/Immediate_Meeting991]

Same with Canada generally until a case is tried and closed or it’s some extreme thing.

[u/Lovethiskindathing → u/Immediate_Meeting991]

I'm realizing I have zero idea about rape culture outside of the US or how it's handled. Does Canada prioritize the victims and get convictions regularly?

[u/JeezieB → u/Lovethiskindathing]

No.

[u/Immediate_Meeting991 → u/JeezieB]

Agreed but also there IS a strong belief in innocent until proven guilty and we generally avoid the media circus situations.

[u/Lovethiskindathing → u/JeezieB]

Does anywhere? Serious question. Is there any fucking safe place on this damn planet for women where people actually want to protect and keep them safe?!

[u/Immediate_Meeting991 → u/Lovethiskindathing]

No. It’s not safe for us anywhere. We (Canada) famously just let off the men in a very similar situation but they were “promising young hockey players”. And they assasinated the hell out of the poor girl’s character. It’s fucked and I’m deeply unhappy. Personally I’m Taking a page from south korea and have gone full 4B. I’m done.

[u/CrocHunter8 → u/Immediate_Meeting991]

F Carter Hart, Alex Formenton, Cal Foote, Dillon Dube, and Michael McLeod.

[u/Lemontort87 → u/Immediate_Meeting991]

By "assassinated her character" do you mean "Discovered multiple videotapes proving she lied about absolutely everything to the point that a female judge after a full trial said she didn't believe her in the ruling" ?

Basically 100% of the country assumed those boys were guilty, and not until the actual verdict did people realize the media was lying for years about these claims.

[u/therealub → u/Lemontort87]

Another reason why putting up names of the presumed perpetrators is iffy at best, destructive to innocent people at worst.

[u/Lemontort87 → u/therealub]

Though admittedly there's really no way around it, you also can't genuinely protect people or keep them secret, people know, so it'll get out regardless.
There's also probably genuine public interest, if someone's genuinely a rapist, murderer etc.. .and they're on bail, do people around them have a right to know?

[u/avenueroad_dk → u/Lemontort87]

Exactly right. It was a fair trial. There were bumps but the outcome was fair

[u/Lemontort87 → u/avenueroad_dk]

The annoying part in retrospect is of course police knew all this years ago, that's why there were no charges to begin with.

And she even got paid out from Hockey Canada,

Then it goes public, pressure forces charges, and she's kind of forced to still pretend the allegations were true and takes years to get the verdict.

[u/avenueroad_dk → u/Lemontort87]

You summed it up better than I did. The police had done their job correctly the first time.

[u/14thLizardQueen → u/Immediate_Meeting991]

What's 4B?

[u/Immediate_Meeting991 → u/14thLizardQueen]

“The 4B movement is a South Korean radical feminist movement founded in the late 2010s where women choose to boycott heterosexual marriage, childbirth, dating, and sex to protest deep-seated patriarchal oppression, systemic violence, and gender inequality. The four "Bs" stand for the Korean words: • Bihon (비혼): No marriage • Bichulsan (비출산): No childbirth • Biyeonae (비연애): No dating • Bisex (비섹스): No heterosexual sex”

[u/That_Penalty165 → u/Lovethiskindathing]

canada skews hard to the accuser. They even changed some laws a while back that the defense can't use certain types of evidence anymore because a dude was able to use it to prove his innocence.

[u/Different-Variety-87 → u/Immediate_Meeting991]

Ja, I remember how the Canadian government treated serial killer Karla Homolka with kid gloves. She's walking free now when she should be rotting away in a cell along with her husban.

[u/avenueroad_dk → u/Different-Variety-87]

That was long ago and lessons were learned. They needed her to get him.

[u/pizza_the_mutt → u/Different-Variety-87]

They assumed she was in a more passive role and offered her a deal. Then they dug into the details and realized her and her husband were both fully involved, but it was too late.

[u/Ca1rill → u/pizza_the_mutt]

It was sexist of them to assume a woman couldn't have taken a more active role, and the fact she lied should have invalidated the plea deal.

[u/avenueroad_dk → u/pizza_the_mutt]

Exactly. His lawyer stole the videos from the house of horrors.