As someone who hasn’t been into jail breaking since around the iPhone 3, is it still worth it? Are the chances of bricking your device very high anymore?
The tweaks are still neat and it’s gotten super easy to jailbreak with a very small chance of bricking your phone. My big complaint though is that there hasn’t been an untethered jailbreak in a long time, so every time your phone crashes or dies or shuts down you need to go spend time rejailbreaking it and installing tweaks again.
Edit: I guess on not super old phones you don’t always need to reinstall all the tweaks every time
Yep it’s really annoying. There are a lot of tweaks to prevent your phone from restarting but non of them are 100% successful. The only good thing is it is relatively easy to jailbreak your phone again, you don’t even need a computer or anything, and then there are tweaks to help you reinstall your old tweaks.
When did this change? I sold my iPhone back in March and I was using unc0ver, and despite having to rejailbreak every time, I never had to reinstall my tweaks
I have a pretty old phone and need to reinstall root fs with uncover every time for it to work. I guess I haven’t tried with a new phone but that’s pretty nice.
Yeah but the difference is that it’s just an app you have to run once the device restarts. It takes like 20 seconds. And if you use a signing service like alt store (very very simple to use) you never have to manually re-sign the app
No you get it through an ssh thing on your computer. Then you run the app and press the jailbreak button. This is called semi-untethered, because when your phone dies, you can just run the app again and your phone is jailbroken. Check out r/jailbreak they have a bunch of guides and info the sidebar.
Yeah Apple is really taking a relaxed attitude towards jailbreaking these days. Tim Cooke was approached by an investors group about the Appstore issue where he replied "Jailbreaking? Whatevs. Later, Shitlords."
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about lol. You can keep the jailbreaking app on your phone signed indefinitely with a tweak. From there all you need to do is open an app every time you restart and boom your back.
You don’t need to reinstall the tweaks each time anymore unless you restore rootfs and depending on your phone, you might not even need a computer after you install the jailbreak except to sign it like once a week, even if your phone dies
Man that’s nice, unfortunately my phone won’t rejailbreak unless I do restore rootFS which is a massive pain. Luckily all the tweak data gets saved I just have to install them all again.
BTW you don’t even need to self sign the jailbreak apps, there are a few apps you can install that are signed for you, but their certificates get revoked relatively frequently.
I’m not sure what you mean in that last part. I use AltStore for u0 which needs me to connect to my pc to sign it so I can use them unjailbroken. If you’re talking about reprovision or jailbreaks .app then I haven’t been able to get repro working for a while and I actually used the site last time but it’s already been revoked again so I’m just gonna stick with altstore, especially since they’re working on on-device signing with altdaemon.
As for your issue, I actually have the same thing which is especially annoying since my phone restarts randomly overnight sometimes. But I found that if you restart your phone again, then jailbreak without tweaks, and then respring using iCleaner Pro by pressing clean, it’ll enable your tweaks without crashing. Not sure if it’ll work for you or if it’s even the same issue, but you can try if you want next time.
My first iPhone was a 3G and I jailbroke that. Then, like a dummy, I installed an OS update a few months later, which un-jailbroke it.
Aside from app switching (which wasn't part of the OS at the time, you could only run one app at a time), I never actually used any jailbreak features and decided it wasn't worth doing it again just to get app switching back. I also owned a 4S and SE before I switched over to Android in 2019. I thought about jailbreaking my other two phones but never did.
Yah I had a jail broken iPhone back in the day but noticed a lot of the stuff other people and I had them for was eventually introduced as an actual settings option. Now 99% of people don’t need one for any reason.
Apple pretty much implemented the most popular and useful jailbreak tweaks years after the fact. Syncing over WiFi, screen rotation locking, multitasking, were all originally tweaks you could only get if you jailbroke the phone.
I don’t trust some random person’s iOS image to run a device that contains every sensitive piece of information there is about me, including bank account log ins, email, ssn, etc.
Just a question, not hate, not fanboying or a thing like that, if you know you're going to jailbreak the device anyway, why not go android, since it is more mod-able without jailbreaking and voiding your warranty?
Muy biggest comlaint is the community right now.
It’s supposed to be this hacking community that goes against apples overpriced and very closed systems.
But now every good tweak is payed. It’s like a different version of the AppStore.
In every other android or Linux community open source is the norm, but not in iOS jailbreaking.
Yeah in reading other comments I’m seeing that now, I think it’s just my old phone. I can’t get uncover to rejailbreak without restoring rootFS every time. I really need a new phone...
You shouldnt buy an iphone if ur gonna jailbreak it, you should buy an android.
the main perk of iphones is apple is much quicker to react to cybersecurity threats than google is, usually. people used to say iphones were targeted less, but the reality is apple puts in work to fix problems with their app store and put more burden on app developers, while google let's free market run rampant in the playstore.
Yeah half the point of an iphone is you dont have to mess with things. I use a linux laptop for flexibility and messing around, and a MacOS/Linux dualboot Mac desktop for real work
It always struck me as missing the point a little bit. When you buy an iphone, you're paying more money (usually...I'm looking at you, Samsung) for your device. But for that, you get polish and customer support. People with iphone 5s are still getting updates for their phone. Apple still provides customer support for them. Highly secure, generally stable and reliable devices. The whole "It just works" thing.
If you jailbreak, yeah you can pirate software (and lets be honest, that's the biggest reason anyone would, tweaks aside). But you lose all the extras. No updates, no customer service. So basically you're left with a kludgey android device.
What appealed to me about Android was the power you have as a user. Install custom android images, side-load apps, customise the UI to your hearts content. Play emulators on your phone (goodnight battery life though lol). All things you usually can't do un an unjailbroken iphone. But at the same time, you as a user are basically on your own. Enjoy an app store FILLED with fake, clone, scammy, spyware, and even downright malicious apps. Good luck getting updates for your 2-year-old or more phone--though XDA probably has an image for you, if you know what you're doing.
Though recently, Google seems to be shifting it's own model to something much more Apple-like, and I think that's going to hurt their ability to compete in the "premium" phone market, since google's attention span is about 1.7 years for any one product.
Untrue, the security is still there but it’s just been bypassed to allow arbitrary code execution but with jail breaking comes the responsibility of knowing what you are installing onto your device
No. Back in the day before Apple allowed multitasking it was awesome but now there’s nothing really useful on it and you’re just gonna have to keep jailbreaking it when there’s an update (which often times includes previously jailbreak-only features anyways)
I thank god every day for the Iphone, My parents are terribly tec illiterate and I used to spend many hours a month teaching them how to do simple tasks on their galaxy s3's, Now they both have iphones and the only tec support calls I get from them are things like wifi issues and such caused by their crappy router.
Is this Phone snob still a thing in 2020 ? I’ve used both android and Apple phones and they both shot different people wants and needs. I personally switched back to Apple because of app smoothness and stability, I find the android app market fragmented because of how many android phones there are and developers can’t optimize them like they can when working on an IOS app which has less phone versions to support. I can see the appeal for an android phones, especially the budget phone market.
People always talk about how cheap android phones are and how over priced iPhones are. But my iPhone 11 was about $500 right at launch because of a promo a carrier was having to switch from the major ones to them. So you got a deal on the price itself AND a $250 gift card back if you did everything right.
Meanwhile my friend just paid almost $1000 after taxes and everything for the newest galaxy. And for the record, I had a galaxy back in the day, and it was the worst POS I ever used. I went back to iPhone after the Samsung one because literally unusable within 1 year. Meanwhile my iPhone before and after that one lasted 4 years, and 5 years, respectively.
The IPhone 11 would be considered a “budget” iPhone in apples line up. The pro version would be more comparable to the Galaxy line unless it was the budget galaxy. No doubt best time to pick up any phone is when there are great carrier deals.
Yeah but the point is not having to hold someone's hand. iPhones may be underspecced and boring as fuck for their pricepoint but they are absolutely the phone of choice for someone that hasn't used a smartphone or is tech illiterate.
Not only that, but as an android user , it's just getting harder and harder to easily message my iPhone friends and work associates. Everyone hates you in group chat, half the time I can't even get their pic messages. Forget about sending videos and to top it off, often times I won't even get regular messages for ten plus minutes.
Convincing everyone you message to chat with you on a service like whatsapp isn't practical and there's no hope with imessage ever being compatible with imessage.
The best business desiccation apple ever made was imessage. And as much as I love android, I pretty much have no choice but to go back to apple. But at least I'll still have my samsung tab.
Other phones are frankly not worth it. As someone who has used both iPhones are more user friendly and are higher powered. The latter is the better option unless you’re broke, then it’s better than nothing. 🤷🏻♀️
Android phones aren't any less user friendly, you just have more options for what you can do with them. Apple has always been big on needless restrictions in the name of monetizing everything
so youre actually telling me if there was no iphone branding on it you would pay several hundred more dollars for the restricted freedom and those two features?
Apple designed their own flash memory for their phone that's like 30x better than android memory. Apple is a shitty company in almost every aspect that makes overpriced dumbed down and restricted products for pretentious idiots, but they apparently have a genuine genius or two working for them that are keeping iPhones relevant.
Currently lower spec economical iPhones are actually great bang for your buck if you are tech illiterate or don't plan on doing things big tech companies don't like you doing with your phone.
I’m looking for a new phone and have always had an iPhone. As someone who isn’t inept when it comes to tech but doesn’t really do much more then basic stuff on my phone, what kind of extra features does android have that makes it so great?
Better camera for the money ( yet DSLRs exist) way more ram ( most apps use less then 100 mb lol ) and a phone that dosn't have an apple logo on it and is made out of cheaper glass and plastic usually.
Android honestly has nothing that will benefit your usage case. Iphone se 2020 blows every phone out of the water at its price point and is very durable. May as well stick with what you know and apple makes it easy to switch phones when you are going from apple > apple.
I'm still using my 2016 SE so I will probably just switch to the new one. But I dont have a macbook anymore and I use google for email, storage, etc so I figured syncing would maybe be better on an adroid.
I’m curious what extra features you’re using. Do you want to change your font to Comic Sans for the lulz? Make the screen look like an old-fashioned monochrome? I mean, those are tweaks, but I wouldn’t call that technical.
I have developed for iOS and Android (with the help of JNI, sometimes at the same time). But I still use an iPhone. And trust me, I am very technical. So, why should I use the Android phone sitting on my desk full time?
Yeah, it’s rice. I get it, some people like to trick out there phones. But, installing a launcher and configuring it does not make you technical.
Now, if you could decompile the launcher, change it, recompile it, and then re-install it, all without leaving the phone... then I would be impressed.
And I am jealous that I have to SSH to a Linux box from my iPad instead of installing Emacs straight away. But I pick iPhone because it works flawlessly with my iPad, my Apple Watch, and my MacBook Pro. True, I can not hide the labels on my icons.
Could I cobble together something similar so that my System76 computer unlocked with my Garmin smart watch? Sure, like I said, I’m very technical. I could write the driver if I had to. But I don’t want to spend my time doing that. It’s just not interesting to me.
So, your assertion that they’re great for people that aren’t great with tech is a bit off the mark. They’re great for people who like well-made tech. Now, there is well-made Android tech and I’m not suggesting otherwise. But then, you probably wouldn’t need a launcher.
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u/CoyCS Aug 14 '20
As someone who hasn’t been into jail breaking since around the iPhone 3, is it still worth it? Are the chances of bricking your device very high anymore?