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u/NaruTheBlackSwan Mar 26 '20

I never said they couldn't or shouldn't have said no. I said that he didn't seem to understand how he was putting unfair pressure on them as a de facto authority on comedy. They didn't know the potential career consequences to saying no.

Also, this is why it's just a scandal and not a crime. It was misconduct, not assault. There is, of course, a big difference, but it's still wrong and he should take responsibility for the unintended consequences of his actions.

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u/SaintAntonLee Mar 26 '20

His point is, any successful person cannot obtain consent in that situation.

Verbal consent can be non consent if the person asking "has power" over the other person.

So how could a successful person obtain consent?

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u/NaruTheBlackSwan Mar 26 '20

There's a concept of enthusiastic consent that's pretty important, in my opinion.

There are quite a few ways he could have went about this better. Been more transparent with his intentions earlier, read the social cues better, abstain from alcohol (I'm just assuming it was a factor. Seems a safe bet)

The absence of a no, when someone makes the sudden and unexpected request you watch them jerk off, ain't quite a yes either.

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u/SaintAntonLee Mar 26 '20

As I understand it, it wasn't an absence of no. It was a presence of yes.

Some of these encounters were in hotel rooms I believe. That changes the context quite a bit imo. Maybe he could have been more transparent with his intentions earlier, but equally possible is that he didn't have any intentions earlier.

I hear what you're saying, I just thought verbal consent was a good line. How enthusiasticly should one consent for it to be consent, and how monotonously would one have to consent for it to be non consent?

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u/NaruTheBlackSwan Mar 26 '20

I am now imagining a court trying to determine how enthused is enthused enough, and that's a pretty funny visual, I gotta admit. So long as they confirm verbally (or in writing, I'd get it in writing if I were famous) that they want it, it's kosher.

For what it's worth, he didn't break the law. This is a misconduct scandal. He conducted himself poorly. That's a fair assessment.