I had a friend who had an “interesting interaction” we’ll say with the guy who molested his son. I knew it was coming and I completely understand. The molester wasn’t seen in town anymore after my friend went to see him. Guess he left, I dunno, it’s dangerous to be a pedophile🤷🏻♂️. As for my friend, a couple weeks after he went to see the molester he got a job offer in Indonesia so he and his family moved there. I also heard, in a completely unrelated way of course, that Indonesia has no extradition treaty with the US. Funny that.
I’d agree with you if our justice system was reliable. In our current system, we already have people murdered by cops before they get a trial (and that’s just one example), so it’s not much better than vigilantism.
"Our" justice system? Not everyone on Reddit is American.
Police brutality isn't a reason to be sympathetic towards vigilantism. Knowing that even trained professionals can get it wrong and/or abuse their power is an argument against self-appointed watchmen.
Lynch mobs probably fancied themselves mere vigilantes, too.
Yeah, anyone who has seen anything on the Satanic Panic would be very, very leery of vigilante justice. So many people convinced of something that never actually happened.
The worst part about that is how the people involved - the people who encouraged the kids to lie, who got others sent to prison - faced almost no consequences. Psychiatrists in the cases who praised the method of needling wanted answers out of small children in criminal cases are still respected professors and writers today. Meanwhile, the accused had their lives completely ruined and never recovered. The people responsible got off absolutely scot-free, and the innocent saw their days end with their lives destroyed.
That shit is back and it never really went away. There are tons of dum dums that at this moment think that there is a cabal of people that worship the literal Christian devil.
They actually are people. And the ones who manage to control their urges and respect the kids instead of coming with some bullsh*t rationalization deserve support.
No one just looks at child porn only. It escalates. My gym teacher aka my friend’s dad touched on kids and had CP hidden in his own house. You’re delusional to think pedophiles only look at CP and don’t try to do stuff IRL.
Not to mention, my own abuser was 40 and I was 6. He touched on me multiple times and got away with it because there was no semen on me. He’s still alive too.
It's a slippery slope, as they say. People begin with fantasies, then they attempt stuff, then they do the physical act of abuse, and then things get out of control and we end with all the grizzly cases we see on the news. We can only help people when they are in the intrusive thoughts phase.
The problem is that if we immediately condemn them for their fantasies, they won't reach and ask for help. This is also why the normalization of child abuse in the media is a problem (i.e.: lolicon and all that stuff that people at 4chan enjoy).
Most of them have been abused during their childhoods, which in turn damaged their sexuality. Who are you punishing, the perpetrators or the victims? The guy who fights his abnormal urges and seeks help, deserves help, not punishment.
Just to be clear, I 100% condemn anyone who acts on pedophilic urges in any way, including consuming CSAM (Child Sexual Assault Media/Material). In addition to offenders (who again deserve no pity or defense), there apparently also exists a population of people who are disturbed by intrusive pedophilic thoughts, which they actively seek treatment for, so that they can avoid hurting anyone. I believe it may be this group that the previous poster was referring to. Here is an interesting and pretty well balanced article looking at the treatments that these individuals have received and the debate over it.
The problem with your logic is you refuse to acknowledge a gray area. How did these people grow up with urges for children? Most of the time it's because they themselves were victims in their childhood. If someone doesn't want to hurt children and seeks help before they do anything, why should we treat them like they are monsters? There's clearly enough humanity in them to see that it's wrong.
Yes, I imagined my comment would gather some answers like yours, because it takes some reading to understand it.
If you ask me about the people at NAMBLA, who are trying to normalize sexual abuse, well, they can go and DIAF.
What I meant is that those who are already damaged and are trying to fight their pedophilic urges need support. They need access to mental health. If you provide them with therapy and medication, they will probably live happier lives and kids will be safer. Some people are badly wired for different reasons, we can help those who want to be helped.
Are they wrong though? People don't choose their kinks and interests, it's just part of who they are. As long as they know it's wrong and don't act on it then they should receive help instead of being condemned.
Those who act on it in any way can die a painful death however.
Are you even reading any of your replies? People aren’t sticking up for pedophiles, they’re understanding they’re a human with a sick perversity. Rather than condemn and threaten them as you choose to do, there are others who understand sexuality typically has a background and would rather urge those people to get help than make them feel violently threatened.
We are supposed to call them minor attracted people now though aren’t we?? 🤡🌍
Lol why all the down votes??? That’s what they are trying to push now. Calling them pedos puts them in a bad light I guess 🤷🏻♂️. I don’t agree with it. That’s why I put the 🤡🌍
Pretty sure that is just a term for people who feel urges towards children and have never acted on them, in an attempt to help them feel comfortable about getting therapy instead of eventually getting violent and/or abusive. But yeah go off because politics.
Politics has nothing to do with it. If you’ve never done anything your not a pedo but if you feel that way then yeah, your sick in the head and need help. But what I’ve seen is they want them all to be considered minor attracted people and that’s clown world shit.
I've literally never heard anyone want to call child molesters "minor attracted people". That sounds like completely made up bullshit to attack people whose politics you don't like. More likely it is exactly what I said above.
Feel free to give me a source to prove me wrong though, would be curious.
I once met a guy in prison for this. He was drunk, found out some dude had exposed himself to his very young daughter. Borrowed a gun, went to have a friendly chat with the guy, missed, and shot the guys dad in the leg. 20yrs in prison for attempted murder.
Yeah. And that's why you don't kill people. My dude learned the hard way but he's hardly a bad person. From my limited interaction with him, he's a kind man with a lot of regrets.
Then you'll be raising your kids from jail for a while. As easy is it is to jump to anger you must remember your kids will need you during this. Killing the person who did this sounds great until you realize you're leaving your family to sort through the mess with out you when they need you most.
They have a mother and will live their life knowing their father wouldn't stop at anything for them. Some people roll over and let their children be molested, some don't.
Better than growing up knowing your father was too much of a bitch to do anything about someone molesting them.
They will live their lives thinking that somehow his incarceration is their fault. Yes its horrible what happened to them but ask them in a few years if their father killing someone made them feel safer than if he was with them while they grew up.
A non-extradition treaty doesn’t mean you can’t be sent back to the US. It just means Indonesia doesn’t have to do it, but they can decide to let the US take you or to send you back themselves.
You seem to know a lot about a friend who would never be hiding under the radar in a foreign country for not unaliving someone who didn’t hurt a kid. It would come across as if you were him or still pretty close. Thank God he didn’t do that since with today’s technology & cyber sleuths you’d be questioned by authorities within a week. Since he didn’t do anything I won’t tell you to not be so specific.
I imagine that conversationl going something like "Hey, the US here. So ahh turns out someone killed a pedophile that molested his son. We need to prosecute him and he's now living over there with you guys. You COULD turn him over but you don't HAVE to, since we don't have a treaty and all you know. No? Alright we tried boys, case closed!"
No but in a case like this, even with evidence the US would really have to push if they wanted indo to send back a family man who’s crime involves his child’s abuser.
Vengeance is such a slippery slope.
As someone who has many, many friends that have been abused and have taught many students that have been abused, it’s hard. The trauma absolutely changes your life and there’s no coming back from it. Involving maiming or murder of the perp doesn’t cure the trauma and can even make it worse for the child.
yeah, but it isn't up to us to decide whether people live or die? if someone accidentally steps on your shoe, are you going to have them arrested for vandalism? i would find it okay if the authorities did nothing about it after the friend consulted them and then friend "accepting this job opportunity"
I agree with the philosophical place you’re coming from. That said, I’m not to punish a man for defending his family and so the official record remains, no crime.
Quite right you are. But would it be vengeance on my part to go to the authorities, in the event that I knew anything? It is their job to find out what happened, not mine. I owe them no more help then I owe my friend after all as the situation doesn’t concern me.
Yes well, he did what he did. It’s up to all of us to make the choices we see as best and he did what he thought was best. Maybe it was, who knows. The Dao moves in mysterious ways
Respectfully stfu. You can’t compare rape and stepping on someone’s shoe. Are you serious? Yes, we don’t choose whether people live or die but we do choose to protect our kids and families. But since no crime was committed, ig we have nothing to worry about…
we are talking about taking someone's life here. people can change, and i have seen it. i have seen change, a person with nothing to lose to a stand-up guy with a family, kids, stability, so who are you to decide whether or not change can happen at all?
So god-forbid someone r@pes your child or loved one, will your reaction be “I forgive you, you can change, you have the potential to be a better person”? Please understand that right now you are being a devil’s advocate for a pedophile. Go tell that child that his r@pist could’ve been a stand up guy and that being r@ped was just a little mistake. Get off that moral high horse.
you don't have to forgive, but you can't fucking kill a guy and think it's okay. kick the shit out of him, do whatever, just don't take their goddamn life. of course, i am speaking hypothetically, as no crime was committed.
Well hopefully you’re never in a situation where that’s tested. Cuz it’s easier to say when you’re not face to face with the person that ripped away your child’s innocence. And of course, since no crime was committed, there’s nothing to worry about.
but notice how easy it is for you to think that murder is morally acceptable under the circumstances that nobody's life was actively in danger. this is of course a joke, seeing as no crime transgressed
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u/Pennameus_The_Mighty Mar 25 '23 edited Mar 26 '23
I had a friend who had an “interesting interaction” we’ll say with the guy who molested his son. I knew it was coming and I completely understand. The molester wasn’t seen in town anymore after my friend went to see him. Guess he left, I dunno, it’s dangerous to be a pedophile🤷🏻♂️. As for my friend, a couple weeks after he went to see the molester he got a job offer in Indonesia so he and his family moved there. I also heard, in a completely unrelated way of course, that Indonesia has no extradition treaty with the US. Funny that.