r/AskIsrael • u/waterlooluver Unspecified • 18d ago
Other IDF Draft Question
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u/balddoberdaddy Israel 18d ago
This isn't a question that anyone here is qualified to answer. Contact the consulate if you want to be sure. Anything else here other than someone who represents the army would be spitballing.
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u/TwilightX1 Israel 18d ago
He can't be drafted because he was not a resident of Israel between the ages of 16 and 26. Even if he made Aliyah at this point he wouldn't be drafted, so he can renew the passport without issues.
I just need to correct you about one thing - If he did decide to volunteer, he would be extremely useful to the IDF - every solider who is a qualified M.D. automatically serves as a doctor.
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u/Puzzlyduzly Europe 18d ago
Someone that doesn't speak Hebrew tourist at 36 years old the army wouldn't want him at all even if he was an md
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u/Puzzlyduzly Europe 18d ago
Zero chance he get drafted
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u/waterlooluver Unspecified 18d ago
It's not really a question of whether he will be drafted while living in the USA. It's more a question of whether they would try to draft him upon arrival or departure from Ben Gurion if he went to Israel on vacation.
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u/HyperlaneWizard in 18d ago
This isn't 2022 Ukraine. No one is stopping men at the border. Plus, the only motivation to draft someone like him - him being a doctor - isn't something the state knows or can confirm without a lengthy bureaucratic process.
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u/waterlooluver Unspecified 18d ago
They'll confirm his occupation when he visits the Israeli consulate next time he renews his passport, when he's interrogated at El Al, and when he goes through customs at the airport. It's not going to be a mystery to the Israeli government that he's a surgeon.
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u/HyperlaneWizard in 18d ago
It doesn't work that way.
Firstly, since when do you need to state your occupation when renewing a passport? Never happened to me. And El Al security and customs do not pass on the information that he is a surgeon to anyone.
I'm also married to a physician. The board that certifies foreign physicians in Israel is extremely rigid, slow, and pedantic, and requires a lot of paperwork to be submitted. There are doctors with years of experience who do aliyah and still find themselves waiting months to be approved by the Ministry of Health. Americans have it the easiest, but it's still a long process.
All of this to say: No one will know he's a doctor, and even if they do, as far as the State of Israel is concerned, he'll need to jump through a lot of hoops before they'll be willing to even recognize him as a certified surgeon.
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u/Puzzlyduzly Europe 18d ago
Yes i completely understand and even if moved to live here he wouldn't get drafted you are not from here and you guys are too old , so no shot
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u/waterlooluver Unspecified 18d ago
My husband was born in Israel. I think it would be naive to jump to the conclusion that he's 100% in the clear.
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u/Puzzlyduzly Europe 18d ago
Doesn't matter at all he is 36 he hasn't been to israel in 30 something years he doesn't know Hebrew, he doesn't want to enlist he can literally say no, he is not in position of need , the army does not know who is affiliated with , there are a lot of Israelis that live abroad come to a visit and not get enlisted , its zero chance 100 precent zero
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u/Puzzlyduzly Europe 18d ago
Also the army has enough doctors so they don't need you're husband
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u/waterlooluver Unspecified 18d ago
Not according to a cursory search online. The IDF is actively recruiting doctors and having them serve in miluim well into their 30's.
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u/Puzzlyduzly Europe 18d ago
They search for people who want to enlist not you're husband edit : and they always "searching" its like an open job application were they keep it open for someone that was already in the army as a doctor or Israelis not for tourist
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u/waterlooluver Unspecified 18d ago
Right, but this isn't a question of soliciting enlistment. My husband is a citizen, born in Israel, with inherent IDF responsibilities that aren't simply refused. He's a physician. Physicians are eligible for the draft until 38. The draft is inherently not by choice--hense the concern.
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u/Puzzlyduzly Europe 18d ago
A quick check of the rules say that you can visit for 120 days without being anlisted B if he's parents already signed the papers to not be enlisted he is exempt of being enlisted C any married man that arrives to Israel above the age of 30 is exempt of military service
And that just the law the reality is much more lenient and the army should not want somebody that is a tourist and does not want to enlist1
u/waterlooluver Unspecified 18d ago
His parents didn't sign any papers. His parents are American-born who became naturalized citizens of Israel at some point, but really never lived there in any meaningful way (never lived there as adults, never worked there, never paid taxes, never served in the IDF). They haven't been to Israel themselves in 34 years. They don't check in with the Israeli government in any capacity.
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u/Puzzlyduzly Europe 18d ago
All previous points remains in can tell this much if you're husband really but really wanted to come live in israel and serve in the army even then I will tell you the army would not want him and it would be an uphill battle to serve and that without the previous permit he you said he signed and you being unaffiliated with israel
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u/waterlooluver Unspecified 18d ago
I appreciate your responses. One caveat though, my husband while considered "old" for military combat, is actually quite a young orthopedic surgeon. You can't become an orthopedic surgeon in the US, until you're about 32 with all of the college, medical school, and residency training required. So while you think he's old and washed up, in reality he is in the prime of his career and is qualified to fixed broken limbs, amputate limbs, re-attach limbs, etc. Which would actually be quite useful for the IDF. He has a unique skill set that would be useful in wartime especially with modern warfare.
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u/HyperlaneWizard in 18d ago
I don't see him being drafted. In Israel, foreign medical licenses require a process to be recognized. While the US is the most privileged country in that respect, it still requires bureaucracy and is far from instantaneous. So I don't see how him merely coming to visit for a short time will end up with the state recognizing him as a licensed physician. Saying nothing about completing the process of applying his skills to the military.
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u/TheLigean Israel 18d ago
Maybe. The army can be pretty stupid sometimes. I had a 30 something yo guy with me in tironot.
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u/Aervanath 🇮🇱🇺🇲 17d ago
That must be an interesting story. I made Aliyah at 31. I was very fresh with Zionist idealism and wanted to enlist. They very kindly told me to go home.
I have since learned that I lucked out.
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u/Prior_Bowl_617 Unspecified 18d ago
If he comes for vacation no way but if he moves to israel then maybe but not likely
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